Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Man Biden is looking really old and frail. I cannot wait until we have a president south of 70 again!
It’s sad honestly. He should just be enjoying whatever is left of his life imo. Who the fuck would want to do this at that age?
Yup. If you are trying to do that job well, and I am sure Biden is trying, it takes so much out of you anyhow. I cannot imagine it at his age.
If the country doesn't get some relief soon his legacy will be tarnished and no way he gets a second term.
I don't think anyone really wants that second term, including him.
The Dems really need their next Obama to emerge...hopefully within a year. There are some OK people that could do the job but with their electoral college disadvantages, they really need someone like Obama that people just gravitate towards and are willing to get out and vote for. For about 10 minutes a few years ago, I thought it could be Beto. Since then I have no idea. Gavin Newsome thinks it might be him, but it's not. That person's not going to come from California.
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Guys, let's not forget Biden saved us from another 4 years of 45. I think that's why Joe ran in the first place. Instead of focusing on him being an old man (because, of course, who likes old fuckers anyway, right? ) Dems should be focusing on someone who will have a chance to win in 2024. I can't think of a single Democrat who has a chance to do that, can you?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Guys, let's not forget Biden saved us from another 4 years of 45. I think that's why Joe ran in the first place. Instead of focusing on him being an old man (because, of course, who likes old fuckers anyway, right? ) Dems should be focusing on someone who will have a chance to win in 2024. I can't think of a single Democrat who has a chance to do that, can you?
I agree with all of this. I don't think Biden even wanted this and did it because the party convinced him that only he could beat Trump (and that was probably true). He's probably not able to give the job its due attention the way he'd have been able to 20 years ago and there is a sadness to it, but that's why they have staffs.
And the day after midterms, the party needs to think about who can beat MAGA in 2024. I don't think it's fair to Joe to suggest he'll be there for six more years. If the party needs him to beat Trump or DeSantis because nobody else can, then the problems they have go well beyond Joe's age.
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Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
His memory is complete shit. He does this all the time, it's tiresome. He is exactly what he pretends to hate.
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Guys, let's not forget Biden saved us from another 4 years of 45. I think that's why Joe ran in the first place. Instead of focusing on him being an old man (because, of course, who likes old fuckers anyway, right? ) Dems should be focusing on someone who will have a chance to win in 2024. I can't think of a single Democrat who has a chance to do that, can you?
I agree with all of this. I don't think Biden even wanted this and did it because the party convinced him that only he could beat Trump (and that was probably true). He's probably not able to give the job its due attention the way he'd have been able to 20 years ago and there is a sadness to it, but that's why they have staffs.
And the day after midterms, the party needs to think about who can beat MAGA in 2024. I don't think it's fair to Joe to suggest he'll be there for six more years. If the party needs him to beat Trump or DeSantis because nobody else can, then the problems they have go well beyond Joe's age.
Yeah, I agree. I think the best thing all around would be for Joe to say in 2024, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm ready to retire." I'm grateful Joe beat 45, greatful for his efforts, and I think he's done the best he can under the circumstances, but six more years would really be pushing it. Dems need to get off the pot and start grooming someone good or we're going to be stuck in a MAGA quagmire that will lead to even more ruination that this country has already faced. It's 2 and 1/2 years off and I'm already feeling sketchy about the whole thing.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Guys, let's not forget Biden saved us from another 4 years of 45. I think that's why Joe ran in the first place. Instead of focusing on him being an old man (because, of course, who likes old fuckers anyway, right? ) Dems should be focusing on someone who will have a chance to win in 2024. I can't think of a single Democrat who has a chance to do that, can you?
I agree with all of this. I don't think Biden even wanted this and did it because the party convinced him that only he could beat Trump (and that was probably true). He's probably not able to give the job its due attention the way he'd have been able to 20 years ago and there is a sadness to it, but that's why they have staffs.
And the day after midterms, the party needs to think about who can beat MAGA in 2024. I don't think it's fair to Joe to suggest he'll be there for six more years. If the party needs him to beat Trump or DeSantis because nobody else can, then the problems they have go well beyond Joe's age.
Yeah, I agree. I think the best thing all around would be for Joe to say in 2024, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm ready to retire." I'm grateful Joe beat 45, greatful for his efforts, and I think he's done the best he can under the circumstances, but six more years would really be pushing it. Dems need to get off the pot and start grooming someone good or we're going to be stuck in a MAGA quagmire that will lead to even more ruination that this country has already faced. It's 2 and 1/2 years off and I'm already feeling sketchy about the whole thing.
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
His memory is complete shit. He does this all the time, it's tiresome. He is exactly what he pretends to hate.
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Lol
Hypocrite. Doesn’t take much to expose you. Deflect deflect deflect
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Lol
Hypocrite. Doesn’t take much to expose you. Deflect deflect deflect
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Lol
Hypocrite. Doesn’t take much to expose you. Deflect deflect deflect
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Lol
Hypocrite. Doesn’t take much to expose you. Deflect deflect deflect
Like Trump.
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Guys, let's not forget Biden saved us from another 4 years of 45. I think that's why Joe ran in the first place. Instead of focusing on him being an old man (because, of course, who likes old fuckers anyway, right? ) Dems should be focusing on someone who will have a chance to win in 2024. I can't think of a single Democrat who has a chance to do that, can you?
I agree with all of this. I don't think Biden even wanted this and did it because the party convinced him that only he could beat Trump (and that was probably true). He's probably not able to give the job its due attention the way he'd have been able to 20 years ago and there is a sadness to it, but that's why they have staffs.
And the day after midterms, the party needs to think about who can beat MAGA in 2024. I don't think it's fair to Joe to suggest he'll be there for six more years. If the party needs him to beat Trump or DeSantis because nobody else can, then the problems they have go well beyond Joe's age.
Yeah, I agree. I think the best thing all around would be for Joe to say in 2024, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm ready to retire." I'm grateful Joe beat 45, greatful for his efforts, and I think he's done the best he can under the circumstances, but six more years would really be pushing it. Dems need to get off the pot and start grooming someone good or we're going to be stuck in a MAGA quagmire that will lead to even more ruination that this country has already faced. It's 2 and 1/2 years off and I'm already feeling sketchy about the whole thing.
Not the preferred nomenclature.
Let me put it in the way a 16 year old would understand:
"Them Dems don't need some noob. They need to make some dude snatched so good we gonna say 'bruh, that dude is dope!'"
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Guys, let's not forget Biden saved us from another 4 years of 45. I think that's why Joe ran in the first place. Instead of focusing on him being an old man (because, of course, who likes old fuckers anyway, right? ) Dems should be focusing on someone who will have a chance to win in 2024. I can't think of a single Democrat who has a chance to do that, can you?
I agree with all of this. I don't think Biden even wanted this and did it because the party convinced him that only he could beat Trump (and that was probably true). He's probably not able to give the job its due attention the way he'd have been able to 20 years ago and there is a sadness to it, but that's why they have staffs.
And the day after midterms, the party needs to think about who can beat MAGA in 2024. I don't think it's fair to Joe to suggest he'll be there for six more years. If the party needs him to beat Trump or DeSantis because nobody else can, then the problems they have go well beyond Joe's age.
Yeah, I agree. I think the best thing all around would be for Joe to say in 2024, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm ready to retire." I'm grateful Joe beat 45, greatful for his efforts, and I think he's done the best he can under the circumstances, but six more years would really be pushing it. Dems need to get off the pot and start grooming someone good or we're going to be stuck in a MAGA quagmire that will lead to even more ruination that this country has already faced. It's 2 and 1/2 years off and I'm already feeling sketchy about the whole thing.
Not the preferred nomenclature.
Let me put it in the way a 16 year old would understand:
"Them Dems don't need some noob. They need to make some dude snatched so good we gonna say 'bruh, that dude is dope!'"
Are you calling Michelle Obama a dude? She would be their only hope in 2024.
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Lol
Hypocrite. Doesn’t take much to expose you. Deflect deflect deflect
How have I been hypocritical on this point? I’ve been calling for Brandon and Chucky Baby to play hardball with Manchurian Joe and Krysten Sinenema since I declared both to be repubs in a dem party. We can see what “playing nice” has gotten dem leadership, absolutely fucking nothing. Time to make them switch parties so the blame can be accurately applied.
You know what is hypocritical though? Calling for Dems to play nice and expect it while not calling out the shit and piss of douche lords like POOTWH and Deathsantis, who actually do play hardball. But hey, it’s all good as long as you can own the libs and blame a dem, right?
Maybe, like LBJ, some folks need their trousers hemmed? The lack of political history knowledge and knowing what levers are available are sometimes astounding to me.
Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
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Hypocrite. Doesn’t take much to expose you. Deflect deflect deflect
How have I been hypocritical on this point? I’ve been calling for Brandon and Chucky Baby to play hardball with Manchurian Joe and Krysten Sinenema since I declared both to be repubs in a dem party. We can see what “playing nice” has gotten dem leadership, absolutely fucking nothing. Time to make them switch parties so the blame can be accurately applied.
You know what is hypocritical though? Calling for Dems to play nice and expect it while not calling out the shit and piss of douche lords like POOTWH and Deathsantis, who actually do play hardball. But hey, it’s all good as long as you can own the libs and blame a dem, right?
Maybe, like LBJ, some folks need their trousers hemmed? The lack of political history knowledge and knowing what levers are available are sometimes astounding to me.
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because you call out republicans for how they operate but then claim it's justifiable when dems do the same, and give it cute little phrases like "playing hardball".
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Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.
The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.
But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.
Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate?
Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.
Are you already what you hate? Lol.
I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?
Lol
Hypocrite. Doesn’t take much to expose you. Deflect deflect deflect
How have I been hypocritical on this point? I’ve been calling for Brandon and Chucky Baby to play hardball with Manchurian Joe and Krysten Sinenema since I declared both to be repubs in a dem party. We can see what “playing nice” has gotten dem leadership, absolutely fucking nothing. Time to make them switch parties so the blame can be accurately applied.
You know what is hypocritical though? Calling for Dems to play nice and expect it while not calling out the shit and piss of douche lords like POOTWH and Deathsantis, who actually do play hardball. But hey, it’s all good as long as you can own the libs and blame a dem, right?
Maybe, like LBJ, some folks need their trousers hemmed? The lack of political history knowledge and knowing what levers are available are sometimes astounding to me.
Lowzl
because you call out republicans for how they operate but then claim it's justifiable when dems do the same, and give it cute little phrases like "playing hardball".
You seem confused. Are you okay? I’m concerned about you.
Repubs keep their party in-line and aligned with their goals. They seem to know that there are consequences for their votes or willingness to play ball. See Cheney, Liz. That’s politics.
Now, what Deathsantis has done to DW and the Devil Rays, or what Chris Christless Christy did as gubner, I’ve been critical of and is a whole other level of vindictiveness.
And in what we’re discussing, Dems haven’t done shit and I’m sorry you don’t appreciate the term “playing hardball” as it relates to politics. “Cute little phrases.” Lowzl!
Wasn’t there a show on MSNBC once. About politics? With a host named Chris? Chris Mathews? What was that show about again? Hmmmmmmmm, politics, maybe? But the title? The title of that prime time MSNBC show on politics and current events escapes me. I wonder what it was? Man, my memory is shit.
I would venture a guess that a majority of West Virginians would support tax increases on wealthy individuals and corporations. Also, if one could convince the old-school mining folk that in addition to their skill sets, their salaries will increase with the adoption of clean energy to help thwart climate change -- I mean, a huge portion of the new spending in the economic package is for upskilling, etc. -- a majority would then likely support that as well.
I say poll them and see what turns up. If it turns out that Joe Manchin is incredibly out of touch with the citizens of his state, that should be used against him politically.
And if he is, indeed, voting in accordance with the citizens of West Virginia (which I doubt), well, then, he's doing his job well, and his critics just need to feast on some sour grapes.
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The Dems really need their next Obama to emerge...hopefully within a year. There are some OK people that could do the job but with their electoral college disadvantages, they really need someone like Obama that people just gravitate towards and are willing to get out and vote for. For about 10 minutes a few years ago, I thought it could be Beto. Since then I have no idea. Gavin Newsome thinks it might be him, but it's not. That person's not going to come from California.
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And the day after midterms, the party needs to think about who can beat MAGA in 2024. I don't think it's fair to Joe to suggest he'll be there for six more years. If the party needs him to beat Trump or DeSantis because nobody else can, then the problems they have go well beyond Joe's age.
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Yeah, I agree. I think the best thing all around would be for Joe to say in 2024, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm ready to retire." I'm grateful Joe beat 45, greatful for his efforts, and I think he's done the best he can under the circumstances, but six more years would really be pushing it. Dems need to get off the pot and start grooming someone good or we're going to be stuck in a MAGA quagmire that will lead to even more ruination that this country has already faced. It's 2 and 1/2 years off and I'm already feeling sketchy about the whole thing.
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You know what is hypocritical though? Calling for Dems to play nice and expect it while not calling out the shit and piss of douche lords like POOTWH and Deathsantis, who actually do play hardball. But hey, it’s all good as long as you can own the libs and blame a dem, right?
Maybe, like LBJ, some folks need their trousers hemmed? The lack of political history knowledge and knowing what levers are available are sometimes astounding to me.
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Shoulda marked my calendar, dammit.
Repubs keep their party in-line and aligned with their goals. They seem to know that there are consequences for their votes or willingness to play ball. See Cheney, Liz. That’s politics.
Now, what Deathsantis has done to DW and the Devil Rays, or what Chris Christless Christy did as gubner, I’ve been critical of and is a whole other level of vindictiveness.
And in what we’re discussing, Dems haven’t done shit and I’m sorry you don’t appreciate the term “playing hardball” as it relates to politics. “Cute little phrases.” Lowzl!
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I say poll them and see what turns up. If it turns out that Joe Manchin is incredibly out of touch with the citizens of his state, that should be used against him politically.
And if he is, indeed, voting in accordance with the citizens of West Virginia (which I doubt), well, then, he's doing his job well, and his critics just need to feast on some sour grapes.