#46 President Joe Biden
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Does this guy totally ignore what happened a year ago, too?0
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Did you ignore what totally happened? Democracy prevailed.Jearlpam0925 said:Does this guy totally ignore what happened a year ago, too?
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"A failed coup. Meh, big deal." Literally 95% of the Republican party at this point.Jearlpam0925 said:Does this guy totally ignore what happened a year ago, too?www.myspace.com0 -
The center held, I agree. Will it hold next time? Will it hold if a legislature goes rogue and two sets of electors get sent, one certified, one not? Have you not thought of these possibilities?JB16057 said:
Did you ignore what totally happened? Democracy prevailed.Jearlpam0925 said:Does this guy totally ignore what happened a year ago, too?0 -
Are you aware that some folks try things again if they fail the first time around? And they learn from their mistakes and get better at it moving forward?JB16057 said:
Did you ignore what totally happened? Democracy prevailed.Jearlpam0925 said:Does this guy totally ignore what happened a year ago, too?
Tons of insurrectionists and believers of Trumps lie are running for local, state, and federal government positions. Many, even low level local candidates are endorsed by Trump. That's unprecedented. Almost 20 Republican led states have changed their election laws based off the lie that Trump did not actually lose the election.
Open your eyes.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
no thanks to most republicans in congress.JB16057 said:
Did you ignore what totally happened? Democracy prevailed.Jearlpam0925 said:Does this guy totally ignore what happened a year ago, too?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.
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so the US president is now the supreme leader and dictator of the country? wow. good to know.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Exhibit A of why preserving democracy should be our absolute top priority right now. This guy is now representative of almost the entire Republican party. It used to just to be the bottom 20-30% of Trump's base who believed all the bullshit. It's now almost all of them.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.
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This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.0 -
So you're in favor of abolishing the Electoral College then? Sounds good!JB16057 said:JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.
If not for the worst possible thing happening outside of more people dying. If enough Rs in the house wanted to push they could've pushed their lies back to the states and done what they wish. Please - don't use hindsight as your argument lol
Did you ignore what totally happened? Democracy prevailed.Jearlpam0925 said:Does this guy totally ignore what happened a year ago, too?
The intransigence (hey hey @Juggs !) of those who only decide to lean further into this garbage party is just astounding.Post edited by Jearlpam0925 on0 -
I don't know how you came up with that but that is not what I said.HughFreakingDillon said:so the US president is now the supreme leader and dictator of the country? wow. good to know.
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mrussel1 said:
This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.So 5 more Guilianni's would've made a difference to the 80 million that voted for Biden? I don't those 80 million would've just stood by and let that all happen.I suggest you stop being afraid of the boogeyman because he ain't real.
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I suggest you study history. 80 million people aren't going to rise up and take to the streets. Subversion of the Constitution will appear legitimate to the ordinary, disengaged voter. To argue that election laws don't need tweaking is either an attempt at gaslighting or a compete ignorance of the fragility of democracy.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.So 5 more Guilianni's would've made a difference to the 80 million that voted for Biden? I don't those 80 million would've just stood by and let that all happen.I suggest you stop being afraid of the boogeyman because he ain't real.
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Lol let's not act like this is the first time. I'm assuming these dipshits aren't familiar to you:JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.So 5 more Guilianni's would've made a difference to the 80 million that voted for Biden? I don't those 80 million would've just stood by and let that all happen.I suggest you stop being afraid of the boogeyman because he ain't real.
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You're probably right. Democrats are lazy and wouldn't want to protest that their votes weren't counted.mrussel1 said:
I suggest you study history. 80 million people aren't going to rise up and take to the streets. Subversion of the Constitution will appear legitimate to the ordinary, disengaged voter. To argue that election laws don't need tweaking is either an attempt at gaslighting or a compete ignorance of the fragility of democracy.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.So 5 more Guilianni's would've made a difference to the 80 million that voted for Biden? I don't those 80 million would've just stood by and let that all happen.I suggest you stop being afraid of the boogeyman because he ain't real.
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You are assuming correct.Jearlpam0925 said:
Lol let's not act like this is the first time. I'm assuming these dipshits aren't familiar to you:JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.So 5 more Guilianni's would've made a difference to the 80 million that voted for Biden? I don't those 80 million would've just stood by and let that all happen.I suggest you stop being afraid of the boogeyman because he ain't real.
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OK, yah, go read up bud.JB16057 said:
You are assuming correct.Jearlpam0925 said:
Lol let's not act like this is the first time. I'm assuming these dipshits aren't familiar to you:JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.So 5 more Guilianni's would've made a difference to the 80 million that voted for Biden? I don't those 80 million would've just stood by and let that all happen.I suggest you stop being afraid of the boogeyman because he ain't real.0 -
And I don't think anything speaks to the privilege and myopic view of a Hard-R registered voter than to base an argument around, "but it didn't happen, everything's fine" lol.0
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lolJB16057 said:
You're probably right. Democrats are lazy and wouldn't want to protest that their votes weren't counted.mrussel1 said:
I suggest you study history. 80 million people aren't going to rise up and take to the streets. Subversion of the Constitution will appear legitimate to the ordinary, disengaged voter. To argue that election laws don't need tweaking is either an attempt at gaslighting or a compete ignorance of the fragility of democracy.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
This is a joke, right? It held because Pence did his duty. What if a VP in the future takes a different course and tries to throw the electino to the House because they throw out electors? It held because Raffensberger refused to do Trump's bidding. What if the next Sec'y of State of a swing state bows to political pressure from either side? The Bulwark had a good article talking about how if there were 5 more Guiliani's in teh mix, things may have been different. I suggest you educate yourself on how many holes in the laws exist that need to be tightened.JB16057 said:
Biden received the most votes of any President and is now the most powerful leader in the world. Damn those loopholes eh?mrussel1 said:
One of the key outputs of the select committee is intended to close the loopholes that are inherent in the Election Act of 1877. So yes, that will definitely help protect democracy.JB16057 said:
Do you believe our democracy is in danger? Democrats are in full control of the national government. Are they failing at protecting or democracy? I had to hear for 4 years that Trump was destroying our democracy. If that was true, how did Democrats gain full power?The Juggler said:
This is part of the problem democrats have. I've talked about this a lot in here. Republicans are better at getting everyone in their party to fall in line no matter what. Republicans, in general, just seem to not care about anything other than voting for the person with the R next to his name so it makes things much easier for that party. For example, the guy in here today seems upset that the jobs numbers are looking good right now. Something that's good for the country is not that great for his party so he's not happy.Jearlpam0925 said:Just came here to say that if your barometer of approval is against Donald Trump I'd say people need to do better. Joe's in the tank for a number of reasons - and one very important one isn't because everyone all of a sudden woke up one day more conservative. Big part of it is because the people left of Joe are all also highly disappointed and disapprove. That's my two cents. Good chance Trump may not be the nom in 2024, but that doesn't make Joe's chances better. At this rate I think he loses in 4 years because 1) R nom will be someone other than Trump 2) Dems do better on referendum with a nominee with juice/hopey changey schtick 3) there won't be a Trump to ignite anyone and everyone.
Gotta pray this 1/6 commission comes with so many receipts.
The dems, on the other hand, have a much bigger tent of waaaay more diverse people, which is great, but that also makes it more difficult for them to get their constituents to have the level of patience needed to stay focused on maintaining the longest view in the room. The change those on the far left want just cannot happen over night. It will take multiple election cycles.
Personally--I just wish people would make preserving our democracy priority number for the moment because if we cannot do that, nothing else will matter anyway.
And I really hope Trump gets the nomination because, yeah I agree, someone like Desantis would have better chance of winning.So 5 more Guilianni's would've made a difference to the 80 million that voted for Biden? I don't those 80 million would've just stood by and let that all happen.I suggest you stop being afraid of the boogeyman because he ain't real.0
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