The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
You can have all types of illnesses that go untested. You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official. What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform.
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
Last week my entire house fell ill with 3 of the 4 people in my house had a ever above 102 with some respiratory effects, along with other flu like symptoms. I went to the dr twice over a 3 day period, my wife went in twice, each of our kids went in at least once. None of us were ever tested. I was kind of surprised. I highly doubted I had corona, but for being as paranoid as everyone says, I thought we would have been tested. Now if I was 99% I didnt have it, that 1% getting untested is who is going to end up spreading it the most
I'm pretty sure that I read that they won't test you unless you had direct contact with other infected people/places.
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
Last week my entire house fell ill with 3 of the 4 people in my house had a ever above 102 with some respiratory effects, along with other flu like symptoms. I went to the dr twice over a 3 day period, my wife went in twice, each of our kids went in at least once. None of us were ever tested. I was kind of surprised. I highly doubted I had corona, but for being as paranoid as everyone says, I thought we would have been tested. Now if I was 99% I didnt have it, that 1% getting untested is who is going to end up spreading it the most
So you are saying you went to a Doctor.....were not tested for COVID-19......had the flu......that there is no antibiotic for....and you are alive to talk about it? Amazing.
92 - (Lollapalooza)
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2 18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN 23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Influenza. Apples and oranges. JFC.
The big issue as I understand it is that a LOT of cases are requiring hospitalization and that cuts across ages. The death rate is low right now (excluding those at higher risk for a minute) at least in part because the severe cases requiring hospitalization are getting effective treatment.
The one potential caveat being that if a huge spike in infections were to occur it could cause a run on the medical system and the mortality rate could change based on not having enough timely care available for those severe cases. This is the reason why community spread is such a big issues and quarantines are being implemented...if you can slow the rate of new infections it eases the burden on local medical systems.
I would expect this would be decided on a case by case basis but given the amount of national/international travelers at a PJ show I don’t see why it would be much different from a big conference or festival. I would not be surprised if news comes out this week about postponements. Hope I’m wrong.
This, exactly. A spike overruns hospitals. Quarantines/cancelations, etc will help slow the spread, which will save lives. Unless this thing stops or slows drastically, there is no way any concert in the coming weeks goes on as scheduled. It's unconscionable.
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
You can have all types of illnesses that go untested. You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official. What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform.
Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu? Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
92 - (Lollapalooza)
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2 18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN 23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
Last week my entire house fell ill with 3 of the 4 people in my house had a ever above 102 with some respiratory effects, along with other flu like symptoms. I went to the dr twice over a 3 day period, my wife went in twice, each of our kids went in at least once. None of us were ever tested. I was kind of surprised. I highly doubted I had corona, but for being as paranoid as everyone says, I thought we would have been tested. Now if I was 99% I didnt have it, that 1% getting untested is who is going to end up spreading it the most
I'm pretty sure that I read that they won't test you unless you had direct contact with other infected people/places.
Yes, but if "they" really want to get ahead and this is as serious as the media is portraying, shouldn't they be testing everyone? Its the community spread that is going to be most dangerous from people who don't know they even have it.
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
You can have all types of illnesses that go untested. You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official. What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform.
Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu? Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Influenza. Apples and oranges. JFC.
Come on Giant Meteor 2020!
They are not the same. You are right. The Flu is significantly more dangerous and more of a concern in the U.S.
92 - (Lollapalooza)
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2 18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN 23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
The big issue as I understand it is that a LOT of cases are requiring hospitalization and that cuts across ages. The death rate is low right now (excluding those at higher risk for a minute) at least in part because the severe cases requiring hospitalization are getting effective treatment.
The one potential caveat being that if a huge spike in infections were to occur it could cause a run on the medical system and the mortality rate could change based on not having enough timely care available for those severe cases. This is the reason why community spread is such a big issues and quarantines are being implemented...if you can slow the rate of new infections it eases the burden on local medical systems.
I would expect this would be decided on a case by case basis but given the amount of national/international travelers at a PJ show I don’t see why it would be much different from a big conference or festival. I would not be surprised if news comes out this week about postponements. Hope I’m wrong.
This is exactly it. The band will also have to strongly consider whether they want to cross the border into Canada next week. It's not that the risk of exposure is high..in fact it's quite low...but the risk of getting stuck in a quarantine on the wrong side of the border is a real one. This goes for any of us who are considering travelling "internationally".
Canada - as a nation - has reacted far more responsibly than the US so far. Health experts - not politicians - are the ones front and centre speaking. Far more testing happening north of the border than south.
Pearl Jam might decide to bring their entire families and STAY in Canada for a couple months!
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The big issue as I understand it is that a LOT of cases are requiring hospitalization and that cuts across ages. The death rate is low right now (excluding those at higher risk for a minute) at least in part because the severe cases requiring hospitalization are getting effective treatment.
The one potential caveat being that if a huge spike in infections were to occur it could cause a run on the medical system and the mortality rate could change based on not having enough timely care available for those severe cases. This is the reason why community spread is such a big issues and quarantines are being implemented...if you can slow the rate of new infections it eases the burden on local medical systems.
I would expect this would be decided on a case by case basis but given the amount of national/international travelers at a PJ show I don’t see why it would be much different from a big conference or festival. I would not be surprised if news comes out this week about postponements. Hope I’m wrong.
This is exactly it. The band will also have to strongly consider whether they want to cross the border into Canada next week. It's not that the risk of exposure is high..in fact it's quite low...but the risk of getting stuck in a quarantine on the wrong side of the border is a real one. This goes for any of us who are considering travelling "internationally".
Canada - as a nation - has reacted far more responsibly than the US so far. Health experts - not politicians - are the ones front and centre speaking. Far more testing happening north of the border than south.
Pearl Jam might decide to bring their entire families and STAY in Canada for a couple months!
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
You can have all types of illnesses that go untested. You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official. What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform.
Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu? Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know.
Not trying to deflect at all. Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US. The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault.
92 - (Lollapalooza)
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2 18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN 23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Influenza. Apples and oranges. JFC.
Come on Giant Meteor 2020!
They are not the same. You are right. The Flu is significantly more dangerous and more of a concern in the U.S.
I would partially agree. I've been saying for a week I dont get the hysteria over this. It will not impact us as much as the flu does every year. Yes, people have died, but it would have to be 1000 times worse to match the flu. But we don't really know how dangerous corona is yet. agree the flu should be more of a concern. If people are seriously talking about canceling events and avoiding the public over a few hundred, maybe even a few thousand who get this then we should be closing everything for the 20 million who get the flu and 20,000 who die from it. If this reaction for corona is justified, then we should just shut down the country from November -April every year for the flu.
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
You can have all types of illnesses that go untested. You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official. What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform.
Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu? Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know.
Not trying to deflect at all. Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US. The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault.
You are arguing a point that I didn't make while refusing to address the question I have asked you repeatedly. How many people is 83%?
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
You can have all types of illnesses that go untested. You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official. What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform.
Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu? Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know.
Not trying to deflect at all. Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US. The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault.
I’m not on either side here but use the CV death rate for 15 million people and it becomes much more of a concern
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Influenza. Apples and oranges. JFC.
Come on Giant Meteor 2020!
They are not the same. You are right. The Flu is significantly more dangerous and more of a concern in the U.S.
I would partially agree. I've been saying for a week I dont get the hysteria over this. It will not impact us as much as the flu does every year. Yes, people have died, but it would have to be 1000 times worse to match the flu. But we don't really know how dangerous corona is yet. agree the flu should be more of a concern. If people are seriously talking about canceling events and avoiding the public over a few hundred, maybe even a few thousand who get this then we should be closing everything for the 20 million who get the flu and 20,000 who die from it. If this reaction for corona is justified, then we should just shut down the country from November -April every year for the flu.
Thank you for looking at this in a rational manner. The hysteria has outweighed common sense.
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96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2 18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN 23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
We knew this was coming for 2 months. They should have started mass producing tests in January. There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
The tests are only effective for the people that take them. 83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention. What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested?
If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
You can have all types of illnesses that go untested. You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official. What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do.
These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported. Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events. If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform.
Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu? Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?
Source CDC: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know.
Not trying to deflect at all. Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US. The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault.
Don 't know about you, but I can't remember anyone ever closing off large areas like Northern Italy over normal seasonal flu.
The "normal flu" isn't even a thing. The flu deaths you read about are from various viral infections, not just one bug.. Most of those flu bugs, for lack of better name, are known. Humans have be exposed over the years. Human bodies have built anti-bodies to these various bugs. This Virus is not one of those. It is new. It has never been passed through humans.
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Not really, my city had more people die from flu this year than last....57 compared to 30 last year at this time. And STILL people don't get flu shots
Didn't say less lethal, just less scary...folks don't buy 300 rolls of toilet paper when they hear about the flu on the news. This thing has created a surreal panic
This was fun for a while, but the misinformation is alarming. Opinions are opinions. Look at the facts:
- Spread to over 100 countries - Infected over 100,000 people - 16 million people in Italy are under quarantine. 366 have died with 133 in one day - Washington state has spent 4 million dollars to buy a motel for patients. Hospitals are overrun - There are over 550 known cases is the US, 22 have died - Football games are being played in empty stadiums - St. Patrick's day parades cancelled in Ireland - 142 cases in NY state - The doubling time for infections is estimated to be 4 days (How long it takes for the amount of people infected to double in a region) - The USA has the 8th most cases in the world
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
Come on Giant Meteor 2020!
Source CDC:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
Pearl Jam might decide to bring their entire families and STAY in Canada for a couple months!
Sometimes the special guest, he don't like to leave
Already...infected...
Already...infected...
Already...infected...
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
In too deep, yeah
Uh-huh, can't touch the bottom
But we don't really know how dangerous corona is yet. agree the flu should be more of a concern. If people are seriously talking about canceling events and avoiding the public over a few hundred, maybe even a few thousand who get this then we should be closing everything for the 20 million who get the flu and 20,000 who die from it. If this reaction for corona is justified, then we should just shut down the country from November -April every year for the flu.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
96 - Columbia,MD
98 - VA Beach
00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA, Scranton
05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh, Newark, The Vic
08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
10 - Bristow
12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
14 - St. Louis, MO
16 - Hampton, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
The "normal flu" isn't even a thing. The flu deaths you read about are from various viral infections, not just one bug.. Most of those flu bugs, for lack of better name, are known. Humans have be exposed over the years. Human bodies have built anti-bodies to these various bugs. This Virus is not one of those. It is new. It has never been passed through humans.
- Spread to over 100 countries
- Infected over 100,000 people
- 16 million people in Italy are under quarantine. 366 have died with 133 in one day
- Washington state has spent 4 million dollars to buy a motel for patients. Hospitals are overrun
- There are over 550 known cases is the US, 22 have died
- Football games are being played in empty stadiums
- St. Patrick's day parades cancelled in Ireland
- 142 cases in NY state
- The doubling time for infections is estimated to be 4 days (How long it takes for the amount of people infected to double in a region)
- The USA has the 8th most cases in the world