CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

NiteLite10

I realize things are in flux right now... but it seems highly unlikely that this virus is going to be under "control" in the next few weeks or probably even months. Given that, I think it's actually a terrible idea to have mass cancellations of all types of public events (as well as massive shrinkage of travel)  as the economic impact of that will be huge. It will trickle to tons of people losing their jobs and have huge negative consequences that will likely last years. By all signs this is a nasty flu.. It's not Ebola. Some of us will likely not be able to avoid getting it but most will be just fine. 

If a week or three of cancellations was likely to stop or cure this virus that would be different. But I think there's way too much panic over something we cannot control. People who are particularly at risk should certainly avoid public gatherings for a while but I think the rest of us should just be more careful. And I think avoiding all travel and cancelling everything for months due to fear will have terrible consequences. Obviously not just talking about PJ shows.

ComeToTX

NiteLite10 said:

I realize things are in flux right now... but it seems highly unlikely that this virus is going to be under "control" in the next few weeks or probably even months. Given that, I think it's actually a terrible idea to have mass cancellations of all types of public events (as well as massive shrinkage of travel)  as the economic impact of that will be huge. It will trickle to tons of people losing their jobs and have huge negative consequences that will likely last years. By all signs this is a nasty flu.. It's not Ebola. Some of us will likely not be able to avoid getting it but most will be just fine. 

If a week or three of cancellations was likely to stop or cure this virus that would be different. But I think there's way too much panic over something we cannot control. People who are particularly at risk should certainly avoid public gatherings for a while but I think the rest of us should just be more careful. And I think avoiding all travel and cancelling everything for months due to fear will have terrible consequences. Obviously not just talking about PJ shows.

Agree with this.  If you think this isn't in every major city in the world already then you're naive.  This has been spreading for months now and the only reason we don't see number like other countries is because we aren't testing very much yet.

myoung321

HesCalledDyer said:

The more you guys continue to panic and talk about it, the more ammo you're giving them to be over-reactionary and cancel the tour.  So, for the sake of all of us...  Shut the fuck up about it!

The band.. their families. their staff..etc.etc..etc.. all live in the Seattle, Washington area, which, so far, looks to be ground zero for this virus in the U.S.

Betting they aren't watching this thread for opinions  .

THEBIBLEISTEN

HesCalledDyer said:

The more you guys continue to panic and talk about it, the more ammo you're giving them to be over-reactionary and cancel the tour.  So, for the sake of all of us...  Shut the fuck up about it!

+1

nicknyr15

I think we’re fine. Insane clown posse just announced a tour so that’s a good indication. 

FiveBelow

nicknyr15 said:

I think we’re fine. Insane clown posse just announced a tour so that’s a good indication. 

Haha. I haven't heard about them since Junior High, how is it possible that these guys have stayed around this long?

given2fly23

EXCLUSIVE: The 2020 Ultra Music Festival will be postponed — possibly for a full year, the Miami Herald has learned. That move would effectively cancel this year’s edition of Miami’s marquee electronic dance music event. https://hrld.us/2x5ZQ4k

chiwhitesox

nicknyr15 said:

I think we’re fine. Insane clown posse just announced a tour so that’s a good indication. 

GG Allin would never have cancelled a tour.

Lostpawn

given2fly23 said:

EXCLUSIVE: The 2020 Ultra Music Festival will be postponed — possibly for a full year, the Miami Herald has learned. That move would effectively cancel this year’s edition of Miami’s marquee electronic dance music event. https://hrld.us/2x5ZQ4k

Not at all surprised. Probably the right decision, but the economic impact sucks. 

MD190661

I hate to say it but I'd say it's like 70/30 they cancel/postpone the Spring tour. I'm guessing if things look any worse, as early as Monday. Just a hunch. Knowing that fans travel for shows actually makes this more likely. Most bands tour and play to local fans. But since so many people travel for PJ, they won't have much of a choice. 

nicknyr15

I mean, they did just post about behind the stage seats being available in Quebec.  So that’s a good sign 

CO278952

Pearl Jam doesn’t have a lot of frail 85+ year old fans so don’t think there is any possibility they will cancel the dates. 

iOnlyownMymind

If they start banning fans from nba games and the ncaa tournament we might have a problem with the tour. If that doesn’t happen I would think it’s a go.

gotthebottle

CO278952 said:

Pearl Jam doesn’t have a lot of frail 85+ year old fans so don’t think there is any possibility they will cancel the dates. 

People with underlying medical conditions aren't all "frail and 85". COPD, diabetes are all noted in leaving someone more susceptible to a virus. Recent cancer treatment, immunosuppressive diseases....don't pre-judge that if you aren't 85 and frail that it's OK

jeffbr

myoung321 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

The more you guys continue to panic and talk about it, the more ammo you're giving them to be over-reactionary and cancel the tour.  So, for the sake of all of us...  Shut the fuck up about it!

The band.. their families. their staff..etc.etc..etc.. all live in the Seattle, Washington area, which, so far, looks to be ground zero for this virus in the U.S.

Betting they aren't watching this thread for opinions  .

Exactly. And King County held a press update today with the following guidance for events and community gatherings:

If you can feasibly avoid bringing large groups of people together, consider postponing events and gatherings.

If you can’t avoid bringing groups of people together:

• Urge anyone who is sick to not attend.
  
• Encourage those who are at higher risk for coronavirus to not attend.
  
• Try to find ways to give people more physical space so that they aren’t in close contact as much as possible.
  
• Encourage attendees to maintain good healthy habits, such as frequent hand washing.
  
• Clean surfaces with standard cleaners.

They also provided the following guidance for workplaces and businesses (wonder if the PJ warehouse is following any of this yet):

All employees should work from home if they are able.

Employers should take steps to make it more feasible for their employees to work in ways that minimize close contact with large numbers of people.

Employers should:

• Maximize telecommuting options for as many employees as possible.
  
• Urge employees to stay home when they are sick and maximize flexibility in sick leave benefits.
  
• Consider staggering start and end times to reduce large numbers of people coming together at the same time.

We just had our 9th COVID-19 death in the county announced at the press briefing as well. So some of us (including members of PJ) really are at ground zero here in the U.S.

Weston1283

The spring shows will be fine.  Nothing is getting cancelled.  The virus will spread regardless of how many people do or do not congregate in a crowd.  

mattsavard

Ray J. T. said:

mattsavard said:

Some Miami officials pushing to postpone massive Ultra Festival.... ugh 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/downtown-miami/article240878956.html?fbclid=IwAR23DF9fyg30CgISIiBtD7X8gYDWSX_vgegK0Se5czRnKiabFJq-niBFNIM&utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

You have to take into consideration that Miami is expecting roughly 200,000 people from over 105 different countries for the festival. You cant compare this situation to a PJ tour in the U.S. 

I didn't realize I made any comparison to a PJ tour anywhere.  

mattsavard

People in here that make me laugh: 

1) "JustaFlu" Bro's
2) Touting bad facts from Facebook like they're a epidemiologist (ie "Masks don't work")  
3) Folks that speak with certainly that the show is definitely / definitely not getting cancelled

Nobody knows what the band is gonna do.

It's good to discuss news, options, contingency plans... it's good to help fellow fans out with their plans.... but cmon  

sxwxgirl1

CO278952 said:

Pearl Jam doesn’t have a lot of frail 85+ year old fans so don’t think there is any possibility they will cancel the dates. 

I am not 80, neither is my Husband, but sadly he suffers from Stage 3 COPD.  If he gets this, he is dead.  So as my 20 something Daughters and I go to the concert it will be in the back of our mind if we bring anything back to him, we will have essentially killed him.  The crowding in arena's make it impossible to contain/control anything.  It does take some of the zing out of the excitement as you also have to think of other's well-being outside the fan base alone.

Lostpawn

sxwxgirl1 said:

CO278952 said:

Pearl Jam doesn’t have a lot of frail 85+ year old fans so don’t think there is any possibility they will cancel the dates. 

I am not 80, neither is my Husband, but sadly he suffers from Stage 3 COPD.  If he gets this, he is dead.  So as my 20 something Daughters and I go to the concert it will be in the back of our mind if we bring anything back to him, we will have essentially killed him.  The crowding in arena's make it impossible to contain/control anything.  It does take some of the zing out of the excitement as you also have to think of other's well-being outside the fan base alone.

Bingo. IF any shows get cancelled, it won’t be PJ in a vacuum. It will be in collaboration with public health officials, who have the interests of the general public at heart, not just the 20k who attend the show. 

O_G_D

sxwxgirl1 said:

CO278952 said:

Pearl Jam doesn’t have a lot of frail 85+ year old fans so don’t think there is any possibility they will cancel the dates. 

I am not 80, neither is my Husband, but sadly he suffers from Stage 3 COPD.  If he gets this, he is dead.  So as my 20 something Daughters and I go to the concert it will be in the back of our mind if we bring anything back to him, we will have essentially killed him.  The crowding in arena's make it impossible to contain/control anything.  It does take some of the zing out of the excitement as you also have to think of other's well-being outside the fan base alone.

Well said.  It’s sad that there are others - and it would seem many who are only thinking of themselves when it comes to this.  I’m a 41 year old diabetic so that’s an underlying health issue.  I’m nervous about these shows being cancelled or postponed but if they are I will understand and except the reasons why even though I cannot state enough how disappointed I would be.  I’m not an expert on any of this but things certainly do not appear to be getting better which doesn’t bode well for any of us with plans for these shows.  It’s a potential cold hard reality we should all be prepared for.

cp3iverson

Do what makes you feel comfortable.  I personally think raiding Costco’s papertowel aisle and stocking up on MREs in a non-infected city is a bit ridiculous right now but i definitely have a supply of N95 and N100 masks for my family.  We have some trips planned that we may or may not go on.  

myoung321

gotthebottle said:

CO278952 said:

Pearl Jam doesn’t have a lot of frail 85+ year old fans so don’t think there is any possibility they will cancel the dates. 

People with underlying medical conditions aren't all "frail and 85". COPD, diabetes are all noted in leaving someone more susceptible to a virus. Recent cancer treatment, immunosuppressive diseases....don't pre-judge that if you aren't 85 and frail that it's OK

Exactly....or maybe even a certain Guitarist, now in his 50s that deals with Crohn's Disease?

Weston1283

I agree.  The virus is a real threat to people who are high risk.  Everyone should use judgement and decide if attending shows, sporting events, etc is right for them.  Wearing masks and washing hands are two very effective ways to prevent catching the virus.

With that said, I don’t see much value in cancelling the shows.  The virus will be spread whether the shows happen or not.  Unless there is a definitive ban by the state/country on ALL events, I think the shows will go on.  Pearl Jam won’t cancel shows if tons of other bands are playing shows and 15-20,000 people are showing up to arenas around the country daily to watch march madness games. 

THEBIBLEISTEN

cp3iverson said:

Do what makes you feel comfortable.  I personally think raiding Costco’s papertowel aisle and stocking up on MREs in a non-infected city is a bit ridiculous right now but i definitely have a supply of N95 and N100 masks for my family.  We have some trips planned that we may or may not go on.  

U think getting groceries and TP at the store is ridiculous but you have a stock pile of masks? 

bootlegger10

sxwxgirl1 said:

CO278952 said:

Pearl Jam doesn’t have a lot of frail 85+ year old fans so don’t think there is any possibility they will cancel the dates. 

I am not 80, neither is my Husband, but sadly he suffers from Stage 3 COPD.  If he gets this, he is dead.  So as my 20 something Daughters and I go to the concert it will be in the back of our mind if we bring anything back to him, we will have essentially killed him.  The crowding in arena's make it impossible to contain/control anything.  It does take some of the zing out of the excitement as you also have to think of other's well-being outside the fan base alone.

I am supposed to travel for shows and then visit my parents.  I may cancel the parents trip for this very reason.

MD190661

Not to be too harsh, but it kind of should be up to people to decide as well. If they aren't comfortable going to an event for whatever reason, they should sell their tickets. No one is making anyone attend a show. And bands could allow for a refund if they really wanted to be generous about it.

cp3iverson

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

cp3iverson said:

Do what makes you feel comfortable.  I personally think raiding Costco’s papertowel aisle and stocking up on MREs in a non-infected city is a bit ridiculous right now but i definitely have a supply of N95 and N100 masks for my family.  We have some trips planned that we may or may not go on.  

U think getting groceries and TP at the store is ridiculous but you have a stock pile of masks? 

Stockpile?  No. 

5 of them?  Yes.  

RatherStarved

Weston1283 said:

I agree.  The virus is a real threat to people who are high risk.  Everyone should use judgement and decide if attending shows, sporting events, etc is right for them.  Wearing masks and washing hands are two very effective ways to prevent catching the virus.

With that said, I don’t see much value in cancelling the shows.  The virus will be spread whether the shows happen or not.  Unless there is a definitive ban by the state/country on ALL events, I think the shows will go on.  Pearl Jam won’t cancel shows if tons of other bands are playing shows and 15-20,000 people are showing up to arenas around the country daily to watch march madness games. 

  I don’t think PJ will feel compelled to go with the flow on this.  They will do what they think is best regardless of what others decide.  

Lostpawn

kst said:

Weston1283 said:

I agree.  The virus is a real threat to people who are high risk.  Everyone should use judgement and decide if attending shows, sporting events, etc is right for them.  Wearing masks and washing hands are two very effective ways to prevent catching the virus.

With that said, I don’t see much value in cancelling the shows.  The virus will be spread whether the shows happen or not.  Unless there is a definitive ban by the state/country on ALL events, I think the shows will go on.  Pearl Jam won’t cancel shows if tons of other bands are playing shows and 15-20,000 people are showing up to arenas around the country daily to watch march madness games. 

  I don’t think PJ will feel compelled to go with the flow on this.  They will do what they think is best regardless of what others decide.  

I agree completely. What I learned from the Ultra situation in Miami today, though, is that sometimes it’s not in the performer’s hands. Ultra didn’t want to cancel, they got cancelled by the county and city. 

The situations aren’t 1:1 - PJ shows are much smaller events with more local crowds. I’m just calling out that PJ may not have full agency in this situation. I hope and believe that all shows will go off just fine. But if not, the band may not be to blame.