CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

tino_11

Just book hotels with free cancellation.

mattsavard

jimjam1982 said:

Innings festival went without a hitch. Spring training baseball games have been packed. Life goes on unabated. More and more concerts are being announced. March madness will go on. NBA and NHL arenas are loaded, and XFL continues to draw attendance.  Just the facts. 

March madness is ALREADY facing pressure to play in front of empty seats. 

Gauging the effects of an outbreak 4 days after the first "in the wild" confirmation and 24hrs after the first death is a bit silly.  

mattsavard

O_G_D said:

jimjam1982 said:

Innings festival went without a hitch. Spring training baseball games have been packed. Life goes on unabated. More and more concerts are being announced. March madness will go on. NBA and NHL arenas are loaded, and XFL continues to draw attendance.  Just the facts. 

I hope your right.  I’m from and live in Toronto.  I remember The SARS outbreak in 03.  It severely crippled my city that year and I know people who worked in the health field and those who run businesses or went out of business who are still haunted by it.

Unfortunately you can't really compare MERS or SARS to this bug: 

MERS Outbreak: 2000 cases
SARS Outbreak: 8000 cases
COVID Outbreak: 87,000 cases & counting 

For those saying it's no worse than the flu: 
Its currently twice as contagious as the flu and 100x more likely for you to be hospitalized (20% vs 0.2%). 

Raw numbers are less than the flu because it's very early. Really hoping these extreme containment measures help. 

mattsavard

drakeheuer14 said:

mattsavard said:

It's clearly pointless to discus the virus itself in here as there are folks who are just going to spin things in their heads however they need to justify their show happing. I can't blame em... I really want my shows to happen too  

I'll just stick to news, 


State of Washington declares a state of emergency. 

Are you in the medical field or something? I don’t mean this in a negative way, but you seem oddly captivated by this thing. 

I'm not sure there's anything odd about following what is shaping up to be the worst pandemic in the last century. Frankly I find it a little odd that some folks are so cavalier about it. 

There is a direct correlation between how music someone understands the virus/situation, and how "captivated" they are by it. 

CantKeepmedown

I have until March 16th to cancel my airbnb so as long as a decision is made by then, I'll be happy either way.  Thanks!

mattsavard

tino_11 said:

Just book hotels with free cancellation.

This is excellent advice. Airfare is a little trickier. 

Thankfully there isn't a Seattle show on this tour. My guess Is it would be cancelled sometime in the next two weeks. 

State of emergency declared and recent genetic sequencing released indicate it's been transmitting in the wild for ~6 weeks and There are "hundreds" of cases walking around. 

I'm sincerely hoping the epicenter of the outbreak being in the band's "hometown" doesn't weigh on their decision to postpone/cancel the tour. 

Looking like the vast majority of cities are still in the clear... which Is great news. 

jefft

3 confirmed cases reported in the GTA(greater Toronto area) now as well.  

RatherStarved

March Madness is very similar to NBA/NHL and starts same week as the PJ Tour.  If NCAA goes empty stadium route I think a postponement of the spring tour won’t be far behind.  Whether it would be postponed all at once or show by show, week by week, that could depend.  

If these sorts of things happen, here’s an open call to Canadian and US airlines to waive change fees and let people rebook their flights to the new dates once announced.  Some of the US airlines are starting to waive change fees but mostly on a very limited basis.  

circlesdown

I know it would mean there are much much bigger problems, but the cancellation of a show is such a kick to nuts.  When they cancelled/postponed the Austin show in 95 I lost it.

and then there was the Soundgarden show of May 2017.  

NewfieintheUSA

mattsavard said:

jimjam1982 said:

Innings festival went without a hitch. Spring training baseball games have been packed. Life goes on unabated. More and more concerts are being announced. March madness will go on. NBA and NHL arenas are loaded, and XFL continues to draw attendance.  Just the facts. 

March madness is ALREADY facing pressure to play in front of empty seats. 

Gauging the effects of an outbreak 4 days after the first "in the wild" confirmation and 24hrs after the first death is a bit silly.  

Where have you seen that there is pressure to play the NCAA tournament in empty stadiums? 

RatherStarved

Agreed.  I lost London 2 2018 as did many others.  Different reason than this, but same result (if that’s the result).  Sometimes it just is what it is. 

Now, Soundgarden is on a whole other level.  I think all that would happen here is the spring tour would be rescheduled. Possibly even to dates that make more sense with the Canadian climate. 

RatherStarved

NewfieintheUSA said:

mattsavard said:

jimjam1982 said:

Innings festival went without a hitch. Spring training baseball games have been packed. Life goes on unabated. More and more concerts are being announced. March madness will go on. NBA and NHL arenas are loaded, and XFL continues to draw attendance.  Just the facts. 

March madness is ALREADY facing pressure to play in front of empty seats. 

Gauging the effects of an outbreak 4 days after the first "in the wild" confirmation and 24hrs after the first death is a bit silly.  

Where have you seen that there is pressure to play the NCAA tournament in empty stadiums? 

Google “March madness empty stadium” and select news.  As of yesterday the NCAA is considering this option.

dresi_4

The hope is the virus will dissapear once the warmer weather rolls in so EU tour should be ok. Not so sure about US though.

josevolution

dresi_4 said:

The hope is the virus will dissapear once the warmer weather rolls in so EU tour should be ok. Not so sure about US though.

Ok president Trump lol 

dresi_4

josevolution said:

Ok president Trump lol 

Care to elaborate? If the virus explodes in the US over the next week (as it probably will) it will definitely put the tour at risk.

bootlegger10

I would put the odds at 70% a show gets canceled and 49% the tour is canceled.  Not much thought.  Gut answer.

josevolution

dresi_4 said:

josevolution said:

Ok president Trump lol 

Care to elaborate? If the virus explodes in the US over the next week (as it probably will) it will definitely put the tour at risk.

Joking with you Trump stated that the virus would disappear in springtime! I’d say the shows are in jeopardy..

Saltzy23

I have tickets, flights, and rooms booked for Krakow - Amsterdam from the US, and I'd be lying if I didnt say I'm not shitting bricks right now.

Hoping for the best and preparing for the worst right now.

RatherStarved

bootlegger10 said:

I would put the odds at 70% a show gets canceled and 49% the tour is canceled.  Not much thought.  Gut answer.

Postponed, not cancelled.  That seems the most likely to me.  No reason they can’t find new dates in a few months in the same venues and let the existing tickets be valid for those who can still go, and have a new on sale for tickets that are returned.  

Whatever the case may be, I think they have to decide this week to give people a chance to adjust their plans, at least for the Canadian leg.  Things are not bad at all in Canada right now, to my knowledge, but this is a developing situation.  

MickeyMouse

This is a fun thread to read