NAL but I work with hotel/convention contracts. If the WHO declares it a global pandemic, I believe that would allow the Force Majeur clause that is standard in our contracts to allow such events to cancel with out penalty to THEM. If those are standard with the air travel and venues for the band as well, it would likely mean they could cancel at any time prior to the shows without incurring financial damages to themselves or their insurers. The flip side of that is that there is nothing that would aide in the business impacted recouping their monetary loses. Like everyone else, I've never bothered to read the user agreements when booking a flight but I would imagine there is some kind of cancellation policy in place for Force Majeur or "acts of god". Most hotels will be reasonable with flexing their individual cancellation policies when stuff like this happens because it is beyond your control assuming people aren't dicks when the call the hotel to cancel.
it is not simply defining it as a pandemic (a global pandemic is not really a thing, pandemic means it has spread far and wide across geographies) the novel H1N1 influenza of 2009-10 was a pandemic, that did not shut down the world.
There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change.
Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon.
That doesnt really make sense though. I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so. If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast. If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.
It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive.
I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information.
There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change.
Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon.
That doesnt really make sense though. I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so. If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast. If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.
It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive.
I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information.
I have a hard time believing more harm comes from making a decision now rather than mid-tour. In all respects from health and fans $.
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There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change.
Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon.
That doesnt really make sense though. I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so. If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast. If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.
It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive.
I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information.
I have a hard time believing more harm comes from making a decision now rather than mid-tour. In all respects from health and fans $.
But why should they cancel now when its not warranted ?
2005-9-12 London, ON
2006-5-09 Toronto
2007-8-03 (ed w/ ben harper) chicago / 2007-8-05 chicago
2008-8-12 (ed solo) toronto
2009-10-08 (ed solo) Albany
2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
2016-5-11 Toronto, On / 2016-5-13 Toronto, On
There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change.
Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon.
That doesnt really make sense though. I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so. If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast. If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.
It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive.
I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information.
I have a hard time believing more harm comes from making a decision now rather than mid-tour. In all respects from health and fans $.
But why should they cancel now when its not warranted ?
Feel like i’m running in circles. I’m not saying it’s the right thing or what I want, but it is what I believe benefits fans more than cancelling mid-tour or the day before.
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There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change.
Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon.
That doesnt really make sense though. I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so. If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast. If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.
It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive.
I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information.
I have a hard time believing more harm comes from making a decision now rather than mid-tour. In all respects from health and fans $.
But why should they cancel now when its not warranted ?
Feel like i’m running in circles. I’m not saying it’s the right thing or what I want, but it is what I believe benefits fans more than cancelling mid-tour or the day before.
I'm more confused now too. If its not the right thing, and there's a good chance they wouldn't even need to. Then how would it benefit anyone, especially the fans, to prematurely cancel a show if it is not needed? Many of us have already made plans, canceling now or 3 weeks from now isn't going to make much of a difference. But canceling now only to find out 3 weeks from now we didnt need to, that would suck.
85 uk cases now. By the time the tour is meant to be here it will be everywhere
It maybe or it may not be. Look at China's numbers the last couple of weeks with the decline. Yes they took extreme measures but the tour is 4 months away. So much can happen. I get the anxiety with this stuff and the waiting game is a tough one but I am pretty confident this summer will be ok tour wise and health wise. Fingers crossed and hope I am right.
For those reading the headline from Dick Pound and the shock that would be canceling the summer Olympics here is the latest update from the president of the IOC.
"Neither the word cancellation nor the word postponement was even mentioned"
Asked how he could be so confident the July 24-Aug. 9 Olympics will go ahead as scheduled, Bach replied: "Because we talk to the experts."
"We are a sports organization and we follow the advice of the World Health Organization," Bach said, referring to the United Nations agency based around 60 kilometres away in Geneva.
My cancellation abilities are: Airfare is nonrefundable with Delta Ottawa Hotel: 1 of two nights can be cancelled VIA Rail Train to QC: Can be cancelled with small Fee Quebec City Hotel: 2 of 2 nights can be cancelled Nashville Hotel: 1 of 1 night can be cancelled St Louis Hotel: 1 of 2 nights can be cancelled
If the shows are on, and hopefully they will be, we are going. If they are cancelled I'll be heartbroken but should be able to recoup all but about $1400 of our expenses. A chunk of change, but not the end of the world.
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My cancellation abilities are: Airfare is nonrefundable with Delta Ottawa Hotel: 1 of two nights can be cancelled VIA Rail Train to QC: Can be cancelled with small Fee Quebec City Hotel: 2 of 2 nights can be cancelled Nashville Hotel: 1 of 1 night can be cancelled St Louis Hotel: 1 of 2 nights can be cancelled
If the shows are on, and hopefully they will be, we are going. If they are cancelled I'll be heartbroken but should be able to recoup all but about $1400 of our expenses. A chunk of change, but not the end of the world.
A lot of airlines - including Delta have made temporary policy updates to allow for cancellation or changes during this time. Full list of updates by airline and their specific policies in the article.
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The more you guys continue to panic and talk about it, the more ammo you're giving them to be over-reactionary and cancel the tour. So, for the sake of all of us... Shut the fuck up about it!
If they were leaning towards canceling, they prob wouldn't have tweeted about the behind the stage seats available in Quebec. 2 weeks from today, I expect to be pre-gaming for the tour kickoff in Toronto.
The more you guys continue to panic and talk about it, the more ammo you're giving them to be over-reactionary and cancel the tour. So, for the sake of all of us... Shut the fuck up about it!
They’re going to decide what they decide based on the best available information from the appropriate organizations and experts. They are not going to decide anything based on this thread. In any case people are free to state their opinions here.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Humans never cease to amaze me. More importantly, disappoint me. The price gouging for sanitizers, Lysol wipes, masks(which are ineffective) is absolutely disgusting and fucking embarrassing.
You have to take into consideration that Miami is expecting roughly 200,000 people from over 105 different countries for the festival. You cant compare this situation to a PJ tour in the U.S.
Yeah, they already cancelled Ultra in Abu Dhabi. Obviously a very different part of the world, but it sets a precedent of sorts.
As a Miami resident I’m mixed on this. I get the concerns with the vast international travel Ultra brings, but the economic upside is considerable. Far, far greater than any Pearl Jam show. Based on the city’s request and the fact that they have the right to revoke the permit, I’m guessing they postpone or cancel.
I was thinking the same thing this morning. If the WHO declares a pandemic, this tour is done.
2011: Vancouver 2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver 2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 2022: LA 1 & LA 2 2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
I dunno...I would think the 1st Leg dates would be fine with the possible exception of cities where there are confirmed cases beyond statistically insignificant.
I’d be more concerned about the second Leg. The number of confirmed cases there is rising rapidly. Still weeks to go before I would guess a decision on those dates needs to be made.
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Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
But why should they cancel now when its not warranted ?
2006-5-09 Toronto
2007-8-03 (ed w/ ben harper) chicago / 2007-8-05 chicago
2008-8-12 (ed solo) toronto
2009-10-08 (ed solo) Albany
2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
2016-5-11 Toronto, On / 2016-5-13 Toronto, On
Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
Many of us have already made plans, canceling now or 3 weeks from now isn't going to make much of a difference. But canceling now only to find out 3 weeks from now we didnt need to, that would suck.
Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
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paris 06
wembley 07
dusseldorf 07
nijmegen 07
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2013 - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130128142847.htm
The American public can expect to add earlier and more severe flu seasons to the fallout from climate change, according to a research study
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/thomas-bach-ioc-president-tokyo-olympics-1.5485283
"Neither the word cancellation nor the word postponement was even mentioned"
Asked how he could be so confident the July 24-Aug. 9 Olympics will go ahead as scheduled, Bach replied: "Because we talk to the experts."
"We are a sports organization and we follow the advice of the World Health Organization," Bach said, referring to the United Nations agency based around 60 kilometres away in Geneva.
My cancellation abilities are:
Airfare is nonrefundable with Delta
Ottawa Hotel: 1 of two nights can be cancelled
VIA Rail Train to QC: Can be cancelled with small Fee
Quebec City Hotel: 2 of 2 nights can be cancelled
Nashville Hotel: 1 of 1 night can be cancelled
St Louis Hotel: 1 of 2 nights can be cancelled
If the shows are on, and hopefully they will be, we are going. If they are cancelled I'll be heartbroken but should be able to recoup all but about $1400 of our expenses. A chunk of change, but not the end of the world.
Strong 2nd Amendment supporter and advocate targeted methods of reducing gun violence, sans-infringement.
A lot of airlines - including Delta have made temporary policy updates to allow for cancellation or changes during this time. Full list of updates by airline and their specific policies in the article.
1996 - Toronto
1998 - Barrie
2000 - Toronto
2003 - Buffalo, Toronto
2005 - Hamilton, Toronto
2006 - Toronto I, Toronto II
2008 - EV solo Toronto I
2010 - Buffalo, Newark
2011 - Toronto I, Toronto II, Hamilton
2013 - London, Chicago, Buffalo, Brooklyn I, Brooklyn II, Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II
2014 - Detroit
2016 - Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II, New York I, New York II, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II, Chicago I, Chicago II
2018 - Boston I, Boston II
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Strong 2nd Amendment supporter and advocate targeted methods of reducing gun violence, sans-infringement.
2 weeks from today, I expect to be pre-gaming for the tour kickoff in Toronto.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver
2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
2022: LA 1 & LA 2
2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
I’d be more concerned about the second Leg. The number of confirmed cases there is rising rapidly. Still weeks to go before I would guess a decision on those dates needs to be made.