The coronavirus

bbiggs

oftenreading said:

There are also theories about why the mortality rate seems to be dropping (seems to be, not yet confirmed that it is).

One part that is certainly true is that the much has been learned about how best to manage and treat covid cases, particularly the most serious ones, so the survival rate is very likely higher.

The second is that more of the new cases are in younger people.

The third is that, because the hospitals have not been so overwhelmed as they were early on, there aren't people dying due to lack of resources like ICU beds.

The same trend is being seen in other countries, including the UK, so probably no need to jump to the conclusion that the WH is suppressing data just yet. 

A fourth is the fact that increased testing since March has led to more confirmed cases.  That does not even acknowledge that the true case number is likely 10x greater in the U.S. (at least) per CDC estimates.  So the numerator (deaths) has increased, but the denominator (confirmed cases) has increased at a much faster pace, so the mortality rate has to drop. 

mace1229

Poncier said:

nicknyr15 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

It’s very odd to see states passing NY in cases yet still having WAYYYY less deaths than NY. Are doctors able to treat COVID better now? 

2 factors at play.
A. they definitely have better treatment options now than in April including Remdesivir
2. Large number of cases now in young folks (cause they couldn't stay out of bars etc.) who are far less likely to die, whereas early outbreak was disproportionately infecting older folks

I’ve heard the same thing on several different news sources. More younger people, so fewer deaths and hospitalizations.
Also more testing, people didn’t get tested before unless they met certain criteria. Now with more testing those with milder cases are being tested and counted, who wouldn’t have previously even been tested.

Bentleyspop

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Poncier

Well if she's aligned with Trump, believing in Demon Sperm makes sense. Hence Don Jr. Eric and Ivanka.

hedonist

What the...?

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Coincidentally the numbers started to flatten out when trump took the data from the cdc and began funneling it through his buddies company.  We may never know with any real accuracy what the numbers are again. Anecdotally I can tell you that here in Austin the convention center has been turned into a field hospital, which seems strange if there is not an increased need for hospitalizations. Also local news reports that most of the major cities have been hiring out refrigerated trucks.   Nothing to see here I guess

This not being reported to the masses worries me.  Elvis brings up valid points and that is why I asked.

Here is the link for cases and deaths, updated daily

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

The data is on the CDC website broken down in a number of different ways.

Elvis' report about how cases are counted is incorrect. 

I get lost on that site.  i was trying to find the daily deaths graphs by states.  I'm curious how the DR spiked or went down.  Can't seem to find it.

States:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans

World:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/mapping-spread-new-coronavirus/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans

TY.

It's amazing that we dwarf China and India in Covid deaths yet they dwarf our population 5x over.

real leadership leading to the public listening (or obeying, in case of a dictatorship) makes all the difference in the world. 

Merkin Baller

“America, this is not going to go away without sacrifice. Either way, we are going to pay a price. Governments are faced with making difficult decisions, and they cannot appease and satisfy everyone.

But to do nothing is to be foolish. To ignore or question the validity of this virus, its contagiousness or the consequences of selfish attitudes is — at this stage — completely stupid.”

https://dallasvoice.com/a-harsh-lesson-in-the-reality-of-covid-19/

mcgruff10

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Is the daily beast credible/reputable?

OnWis97

Isn't the existence of Ivanka, Junior, and Eric pretty solid evidence that there is, in fact, demon sperm?

OnWis97

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Is the daily beast credible/reputable?

Better than Fox News. Not as good as the Onion.

josevolution

https://twitter.com/thetnholler/status/1287072179226660871?s=21
Not the way you’d want to open your school year at this middle school..

mickeyrat

am on vacation this week. buddy just texted we have a 3rd confirmed case at work. 2 office for sure, other might be s driver or office.

bootlegger10

Poncier said:

nicknyr15 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

It’s very odd to see states passing NY in cases yet still having WAYYYY less deaths than NY. Are doctors able to treat COVID better now? 

2 factors at play.
A. they definitely have better treatment options now than in April including Remdesivir
2. Large number of cases now in young folks (cause they couldn't stay out of bars etc.) who are far less likely to die, whereas early outbreak was disproportionately infecting older folks

I also think that with a greater lack of testing ability initially younger people who were sick were not tested as not seen as high risk. 

Poncier

OnWis97 said:

Isn't the existence of Ivanka, Junior, and Eric pretty solid evidence that there is, in fact, demon sperm?

Wish I had thought of that.

(5 posts above yours)

Spunkie

mickeyrat said:

am on vacation this week. buddy just texted we have a 3rd confirmed case at work. 2 office for sure, other might be s driver or office.

That's scary. I imagine it's only a matter of time until I report cases coming from school. 

HughFreakingDillon

the closer sept 8th gets, the more nervous i become. 

DewieCox

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Just the look of the video seemed like an amateurish homemade propaganda sham. 

Of all the doctors, and maybe the others are crazier, he endorses Immanuel? 

What’s the current standing of hydro chloroquine as a viable treatment? 

chime

DewieCox said:

What’s the current standing of hydro chloroquine as a viable treatment? 

Sorry if I'm covering something that has already come up in this thread (I haven't read the whole thing) but here in the UK because of our National Health System and unfortunate large amount of cases they have been able to do a large trial (I believe the world's biggest) of existing medications ... weeks ago they dropped hydrochloroquine as a potential treatment because it was showing no benefits for patients.  It was out of this trial that dexamethasone as a treatment was found (I believe it reduced deaths by around 1/3).

If you want to look into the trial more it is called 'Recovery'.  They say that it may take longer to find more treatments as there are now less patients in hospitals here so less patients for trials ... although we are reopening so unfortunately that may change,

Spiritual_Chaos

The Swedish economy is expected to slow down by 4 percent this year. It is a disaster, according to independent savings economist Claes Hemberg. But Sweden has still managed the corona crisis twice as well as the rest of Europe, where the average is 8 percent minus.

- These 4 percent show that things are twice as good for Sweden as the average in Europe. Our relative openness has made it possible to continue producing, importing and exporting. The rest of Europe has instead sometimes stopped working, says Claes Hemberg.

Merkin Baller

DewieCox said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Just the look of the video seemed like an amateurish homemade propaganda sham. 

Of all the doctors, and maybe the others are crazier, he endorses Immanuel? 

What’s the current standing of hydro chloroquine as a viable treatment? 

I wondered the same thing yesterday & came up with this from the New England Journal of Medicine:

”CONCLUSIONS

Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. (Funded by the Coalition Covid-19 Brazil and EMS Pharma; ClinicalTrials.gov number”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

This article about the results are a little more in depth, and mention the study from Henry Ford Health that claimed its use was indeed effective: 

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/hydroxychloroquine-flunks-phase-iii-trial-in-mild-to-moderate-covid-19/

Hardly the end all be all, I would welcome more information if people have it.