The coronavirus

Merkin Baller

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Is the daily beast credible/reputable?

I’m skeptical of the daily beast as well, I’m looking forward to information coming out about ‘America’s Frontline Doctors’ from alternate sources. 
Idk how reputable news.com.au is, but I found this article interesting:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-doctor-claims-shes-cured-covid19/news-story/e18cc2609a7aa322104227f53734eb81

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Swedish economy is expected to slow down by 4 percent this year. It is a disaster, according to independent savings economist Claes Hemberg. But Sweden has still managed the corona crisis twice as well as the rest of Europe, where the average is 8 percent minus.

- These 4 percent show that things are twice as good for Sweden as the average in Europe. Our relative openness has made it possible to continue producing, importing and exporting. The rest of Europe has instead sometimes stopped working, says Claes Hemberg.

Dude, Sweden sounds like trump.  

"Sweden has still managed the corona crisis twice as well as the rest of Europe"

With the only measure being economy.  Nice.

Merkin Baller

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Is the daily beast credible/reputable?

I’m skeptical of the daily beast as well, I’m looking forward to information coming out about ‘America’s Frontline Doctors’ from alternate sources. 
Idk how reputable news.com.au is, but I found this article interesting:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-doctor-claims-shes-cured-covid19/news-story/e18cc2609a7aa322104227f53734eb81

Nevermind... I just discovered her YouTube channel. She’s crazier than a shithouse rat. 

mcgruff10

Merkin Baller said:

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Is the daily beast credible/reputable?

I’m skeptical of the daily beast as well, I’m looking forward to information coming out about ‘America’s Frontline Doctors’ from alternate sources. 
Idk how reputable news.com.au is, but I found this article interesting:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-doctor-claims-shes-cured-covid19/news-story/e18cc2609a7aa322104227f53734eb81

Nevermind... I just discovered her YouTube channel. She’s crazier than a shithouse rat. 

https://apple.news/AXZDZsLSGT_W9hihI3Starg

oftenreading

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Is the daily beast credible/reputable?

I’m skeptical of the daily beast as well, I’m looking forward to information coming out about ‘America’s Frontline Doctors’ from alternate sources. 
Idk how reputable news.com.au is, but I found this article interesting:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-doctor-claims-shes-cured-covid19/news-story/e18cc2609a7aa322104227f53734eb81

You can disregard the medical opinion of anyone who says "we don't need double blind trials" to know if a treatment works.

Particularly when we already have double blind trials that show that treatment doesn't work. 

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Swedish economy is expected to slow down by 4 percent this year. It is a disaster, according to independent savings economist Claes Hemberg. But Sweden has still managed the corona crisis twice as well as the rest of Europe, where the average is 8 percent minus.

- These 4 percent show that things are twice as good for Sweden as the average in Europe. Our relative openness has made it possible to continue producing, importing and exporting. The rest of Europe has instead sometimes stopped working, says Claes Hemberg.

Dude, Sweden sounds like trump.  

"Sweden has still managed the corona crisis twice as well as the rest of Europe"

With the only measure being economy.  Nice.

That wasn’t ”Sweden” talking. 

jeffbr

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Just the look of the video seemed like an amateurish homemade propaganda sham. 

Of all the doctors, and maybe the others are crazier, he endorses Immanuel? 

What’s the current standing of hydro chloroquine as a viable treatment? 

I wondered the same thing yesterday & came up with this from the New England Journal of Medicine:

”CONCLUSIONS

Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. (Funded by the Coalition Covid-19 Brazil and EMS Pharma; ClinicalTrials.gov number”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

This article about the results are a little more in depth, and mention the study from Henry Ford Health that claimed its use was indeed effective: 

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/hydroxychloroquine-flunks-phase-iii-trial-in-mild-to-moderate-covid-19/

Hardly the end all be all, I would welcome more information if people have it. 

Well, there has been one positive observational study at the Henry Ford Health system. But there have been 3 actual clinical trials that have shown it to be ineffective as a prophylactic or as a treatment. The FDA has rescinded its Emergency Use Authorization due to concerns that there is no evidence of any usefulness, and unnecessary risk to the patient. 

OnWis97

jeffbr said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Just the look of the video seemed like an amateurish homemade propaganda sham. 

Of all the doctors, and maybe the others are crazier, he endorses Immanuel? 

What’s the current standing of hydro chloroquine as a viable treatment? 

I wondered the same thing yesterday & came up with this from the New England Journal of Medicine:

”CONCLUSIONS

Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. (Funded by the Coalition Covid-19 Brazil and EMS Pharma; ClinicalTrials.gov number”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

This article about the results are a little more in depth, and mention the study from Henry Ford Health that claimed its use was indeed effective: 

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/hydroxychloroquine-flunks-phase-iii-trial-in-mild-to-moderate-covid-19/

Hardly the end all be all, I would welcome more information if people have it. 

Well, there has been one positive observational study at the Henry Ford Health system. But there have been 3 actual clinical trials that have shown it to be ineffective as a prophylactic or as a treatment. The FDA has rescinded its Emergency Use Authorization due to concerns that there is no evidence of any usefulness, and unnecessary risk to the patient. 

Jeff...off-topic...just noticed your new picture.  Seattle Kraken...terrible name if you ask me.  But GREAT colors/logos/jerseys.  Kind like my team, the Minnesota Wild.

jeffbr

OnWis97 said:

jeffbr said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Just the look of the video seemed like an amateurish homemade propaganda sham. 

Of all the doctors, and maybe the others are crazier, he endorses Immanuel? 

What’s the current standing of hydro chloroquine as a viable treatment? 

I wondered the same thing yesterday & came up with this from the New England Journal of Medicine:

”CONCLUSIONS

Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. (Funded by the Coalition Covid-19 Brazil and EMS Pharma; ClinicalTrials.gov number”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

This article about the results are a little more in depth, and mention the study from Henry Ford Health that claimed its use was indeed effective: 

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/hydroxychloroquine-flunks-phase-iii-trial-in-mild-to-moderate-covid-19/

Hardly the end all be all, I would welcome more information if people have it. 

Well, there has been one positive observational study at the Henry Ford Health system. But there have been 3 actual clinical trials that have shown it to be ineffective as a prophylactic or as a treatment. The FDA has rescinded its Emergency Use Authorization due to concerns that there is no evidence of any usefulness, and unnecessary risk to the patient. 

Jeff...off-topic...just noticed your new picture.  Seattle Kraken...terrible name if you ask me.  But GREAT colors/logos/jerseys.  Kind like my team, the Minnesota Wild.

Yeah, I've been waiting so long for a hockey team in Seattle (40 years!) that I decided beforehand that I didn't care what the name was. lol. So it certainly wouldn't have been my first choice, but I'm all in at this point. Hats and t-shirts have been ordered, and looking forward to the sweater design being finished.

Ledbetterman10

I don’t know what to believe anymore. If Tapper reports this in early July, it must be true, right? CNN wouldn’t just lie. But when those doctors said the same thing, the video was taken off Twitter and Trump Jr. was banned for a day for posting it. And I understand that one doctor seems like a quack based on some of the things she said in the past. But if her overall message was that this drug works, why can’t she say it, and then let Fauci or whoever argue against it if they think it doesn’t? Why censor?

bbiggs

Ledbetterman10 said:

I don’t know what to believe anymore. If Tapper reports this in early July, it must be true, right? CNN wouldn’t just lie. But when those doctors said the same thing, the video was taken off Twitter and Trump Jr. was banned for a day for posting it. And I understand that one doctor seems like a quack based on some of the things she said in the past. But if her overall message was that this drug works, why can’t she say it, and then let Fauci or whoever argue against it if they think it doesn’t? Why censor?

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. 

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

I don’t know what to believe anymore. If Tapper reports this in early July, it must be true, right? CNN wouldn’t just lie. But when those doctors said the same thing, the video was taken off Twitter and Trump Jr. was banned for a day for posting it. And I understand that one doctor seems like a quack based on some of the things she said in the past. But if her overall message was that this drug works, why can’t she say it, and then let Fauci or whoever argue against it if they think it doesn’t? Why censor?

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here? Jake Tapper wasn't promoting the drug or saying it worked. It's a news story based on research, not one person's opinion. Nice that they edited the entire heading as well.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

Halifax2TheMax

Get off twitter or at least stop relying on it as a reputable source of information. Social media couldn't have possibly influenced an election.

Ledbetterman10

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I don’t know what to believe anymore. If Tapper reports this in early July, it must be true, right? CNN wouldn’t just lie. But when those doctors said the same thing, the video was taken off Twitter and Trump Jr. was banned for a day for posting it. And I understand that one doctor seems like a quack based on some of the things she said in the past. But if her overall message was that this drug works, why can’t she say it, and then let Fauci or whoever argue against it if they think it doesn’t? Why censor?

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here? Jake Tapper wasn't promoting the drug or saying it worked. It's a news story based on research, not one person's opinion. Nice that they edited the entire heading as well.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

I don’t think that’s edited. I think the link on Tapper’s twitter just shows so much. It says “but” on the link. Unless you’re saying Tapper didn’t say the “but....” in his caption. I agree with ya there. 

What I’m trying to say here is that that video should be debunked by other doctors if they have doubts. Not censored. I saw two people post the video on Facebook yesterday, and commented on both that most of what she said is being debunked. I didn’t tell them to delete the video. But...both did delete it after seeing my comment, reading up on it a little more, and then deciding they don’t endorse the video anymore. I like that sort of discourse over Zuckerberg or Dorsey deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. 

Bentleyspop

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots...

Stella Immanuel, Trump's New COVID-19 Doctor, Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine. https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=politics&via=rss

Is the daily beast credible/reputable?

I’m skeptical of the daily beast as well, I’m looking forward to information coming out about ‘America’s Frontline Doctors’ from alternate sources. 
Idk how reputable news.com.au is, but I found this article interesting:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-doctor-claims-shes-cured-covid19/news-story/e18cc2609a7aa322104227f53734eb81

Daily Beast is one of the few media sources I trust.

That so-called "doctor" is a conspiracy theorist who is playing up to the conspiracy theorist-in-chief in order to get clicks.
Just more qanon type bullshit

Halifax2TheMax

Gomer tests positive.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/politics/louie-gohmert-tests-positive-coronavirus/index.html

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I don’t know what to believe anymore. If Tapper reports this in early July, it must be true, right? CNN wouldn’t just lie. But when those doctors said the same thing, the video was taken off Twitter and Trump Jr. was banned for a day for posting it. And I understand that one doctor seems like a quack based on some of the things she said in the past. But if her overall message was that this drug works, why can’t she say it, and then let Fauci or whoever argue against it if they think it doesn’t? Why censor?

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here? Jake Tapper wasn't promoting the drug or saying it worked. It's a news story based on research, not one person's opinion. Nice that they edited the entire heading as well.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

I don’t think that’s edited. I think the link on Tapper’s twitter just shows so much. It says “but” on the link. 

What I’m trying to say here is that that video should be debunked by other doctors if they have doubts. Not censored. I saw two people post the video on Facebook yesterday, and commented on both that most of what she said is being debunked. I didn’t tell them to delete the video. But...both did delete it after seeing my comment, reading up on it a little more, and then deciding they don’t endorse the video anymore. I like that sort of discourse over Zuckerberg or Dorsey deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. 

Ok, I think I see that now about the link, but if it is being shared around social media that way as some sort of evidence there's a liberal bias and conservative voices are being stifled again, then I don't think it's a coincidence they chose the edited heading. Most people don't dig in to the one off pictures or memes they see online. Then just like that, the bullshit spreads like wild fire and it's the next bogus talking point against liberals.

As for allowing the conspiracy theory to stay up, I get what you're saying, but I think we need to have some sort of standard, especially when it's being shared by the zombie nation of social media who refuse to check their sources. A lot of harmful shit could get out there that people unfortunately are too stupid to verify. People just post to try and make a point. Search, click, copy and paste without caring how bogus it is.

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Swedish economy is expected to slow down by 4 percent this year. It is a disaster, according to independent savings economist Claes Hemberg. But Sweden has still managed the corona crisis twice as well as the rest of Europe, where the average is 8 percent minus.

- These 4 percent show that things are twice as good for Sweden as the average in Europe. Our relative openness has made it possible to continue producing, importing and exporting. The rest of Europe has instead sometimes stopped working, says Claes Hemberg.

Dude, Sweden sounds like trump.  

"Sweden has still managed the corona crisis twice as well as the rest of Europe"

With the only measure being economy.  Nice.

That wasn’t ”Sweden” talking. 

Sweden's leadership.  But nice deflection on semantics.  As usual.

Ledbetterman10

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I don’t know what to believe anymore. If Tapper reports this in early July, it must be true, right? CNN wouldn’t just lie. But when those doctors said the same thing, the video was taken off Twitter and Trump Jr. was banned for a day for posting it. And I understand that one doctor seems like a quack based on some of the things she said in the past. But if her overall message was that this drug works, why can’t she say it, and then let Fauci or whoever argue against it if they think it doesn’t? Why censor?

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here? Jake Tapper wasn't promoting the drug or saying it worked. It's a news story based on research, not one person's opinion. Nice that they edited the entire heading as well.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

I don’t think that’s edited. I think the link on Tapper’s twitter just shows so much. It says “but” on the link. 

What I’m trying to say here is that that video should be debunked by other doctors if they have doubts. Not censored. I saw two people post the video on Facebook yesterday, and commented on both that most of what she said is being debunked. I didn’t tell them to delete the video. But...both did delete it after seeing my comment, reading up on it a little more, and then deciding they don’t endorse the video anymore. I like that sort of discourse over Zuckerberg or Dorsey deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. 

Ok, I think I see that now about the link, but if it is being shared around social media that way as some sort of evidence there's a liberal bias and conservative voices are being stifled again, then I don't think it's a coincidence they chose the edited heading. Most people don't dig in to the one off pictures or memes they see online. Then just like that, the bullshit spreads like wild fire and it's the next bogus talking point against liberals.

As for allowing the conspiracy theory to stay up, I get what you're saying, but I think we need to have some sort of standard, especially when it's being shared by the zombie nation of social media who refuse to check their sources. A lot of harmful shit could get out there that people unfortunately are too stupid to verify. People just post to try and make a point. Search, click, copy and paste without caring how bogus it is.

Yeah I don’t disagree with this. There’s a lot of bullshit that gets out and spreads. I can tell two people on Facebook that it’s likely bullshit, but what does that matter when millions have already viewed the video? I guess if they insist on censorship on twitter, I wish they’d do it like they’ve done to Trump, where they leave the video up, but put a disclaimer with it that what you’re watching might be bullshit.

But as for the heading of that tweet, that’s Tapper’s heading. He left off the “but....” part that you see in the link and that you see in the screenshot of the actual article that you posted. 

DewieCox

I agree that I don’t care for FB or Twitter deciding what’s ok to post but where’s liability fall when passing the blame is the rule of the day. 

Are the same types of stories with a leftist spin treated the same? There are people that reflexively report things or  let things pass based solely on the history of the source. Is the path to removal the same for all viewpoints? 

People want their info served up on  a silver platter so misleading headlines and the history of the people offering opinions never comes into question. 

There’s not a doctor in the video being discussed whose opinion is worth the price of a painting of whale and a dolphin getting it on, in regards to Covid-19 and viable treatments. Took about 3 minutes to find that out.