The coronavirus

elvistheking44

bbiggs said:

jeffbr said:

bbiggs said:

elvistheking44 said:

Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?

Wow.  If accurate, I have no words.

I don't believe it for a second. Unless that nurse works in a kooky hospital. I know there have been a few right-wing news sources trying to say that the number of cases is inflated because of this, or because a patient tests positive, gets a second test for verification, and tests positive again. That isn't counted as 2 cases. It is just one. At least in states that have their shit together. Here's a Verify story from the D.C. area, answering the question. I've seen it answered similarly for other locations:

VERIFY: DMV COVID numbers do not count multiple cases for the same person

Rush is a top hospital.  Seems unlikely they would handle it this way.  I'm just saying if it is true, I'd be speechless.

Exactly. Rush is top notch. No need for her to make up lies. So was curious what others who actually work in hospitals have heard. Not just what is told to us by either side of the news.

elvistheking44

oftenreading said:

elvistheking44 said:

Smellyman said:

elvistheking44 said:

Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?

highly highly doubtful

Why would she lie? 

Not saying that she's lying, just that she doesn't understand the data collection. There's no reason that a nurse would understand the data collection aspect. 

Every day that someone with covid is in hospital is counted as another bed day related to covid, but not another case. 

Do you have first hand knowledge from working in a hospital? It’s really my only question here.

oftenreading

elvistheking44 said:

oftenreading said:

elvistheking44 said:

Smellyman said:

elvistheking44 said:

Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?

highly highly doubtful

Why would she lie? 

Not saying that she's lying, just that she doesn't understand the data collection. There's no reason that a nurse would understand the data collection aspect. 

Every day that someone with covid is in hospital is counted as another bed day related to covid, but not another case. 

Do you have first hand knowledge from working in a hospital? It’s really my only question here.

Yes 

josevolution

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Unreal how these states that new and saw what happened here in NY NJ CT , just dismissed this crisis and here we are we are fucked this country is in big time trouble! 

tbergs

elvistheking44 said:

bbiggs said:

jeffbr said:

bbiggs said:

elvistheking44 said:

Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?

Wow.  If accurate, I have no words.

I don't believe it for a second. Unless that nurse works in a kooky hospital. I know there have been a few right-wing news sources trying to say that the number of cases is inflated because of this, or because a patient tests positive, gets a second test for verification, and tests positive again. That isn't counted as 2 cases. It is just one. At least in states that have their shit together. Here's a Verify story from the D.C. area, answering the question. I've seen it answered similarly for other locations:

VERIFY: DMV COVID numbers do not count multiple cases for the same person

Rush is a top hospital.  Seems unlikely they would handle it this way.  I'm just saying if it is true, I'd be speechless.

Exactly. Rush is top notch. No need for her to make up lies. So was curious what others who actually work in hospitals have heard. Not just what is told to us by either side of the news.

I don't work in a hospital, but just reading this immediately shoots up red flags. I've been on plenty of calls with the state health department the past 4 months and never has information been presented this way. First off, it would be horribly inaccurate on all accounts. Not only would it skew the case counts 10x higher than the actual number, but it would also severely underscore the mortality rate. If you take what that nurse said as accurate data collection, then the % of deaths to positive case ratio are much higher and should create a lot more panic.

As for what the news tells us, I only follow what the CDC and local state health agencies are providing. I don't need a left or right news source to tell me what that means I guess. Unfortunate that many do need their "news" to tell them how to think and feel.

Spunkie

I am not optimistic that BC won't be headed the same way. We are to expect more community sparks and although gatherings sizes have been modified, they will not include work or schools. The health minister was spewing more of that kids under 10 are fine crap and that the emotional/social costs will be long lasting if the kids remain out of class. 

josevolution

tish said:

I am not optimistic that BC won't be headed the same way. We are to expect more community sparks and although gatherings sizes have been modified, they will not include work or schools. The health minister was spewing more of that kids under 10 are fine crap and that the emotional/social costs will be long lasting if the kids remain out of class. 

Stay safe wishing you well 

Zod

tish said:

I am not optimistic that BC won't be headed the same way. We are to expect more community sparks and although gatherings sizes have been modified, they will not include work or schools. The health minister was spewing more of that kids under 10 are fine crap and that the emotional/social costs will be long lasting if the kids remain out of class. 

I think our biggest risk now (or maybe a month ago) was travel.   There were no cases here on Vancouver Island.  I think most regions outside the lower mainland had it almost licked too.  Even Vancouver had it reduced.

Then we hit summer.  Being a tourist destination province, it arrived, and once locals got it, it started to spread again.

Still not 100% why were advocating travel.  Aside from tourism being one of the biggest drivers of our economy.

I feel like the government is testing uncharted waters.  How far can they open up until cases start to escelate out of control.  Trying to see if the population can be responsible on it's own.

I'm not sure they have other choices.  We're not 100% a vaccine is going to happen.   Governments are going to run out of money to pay people to stay at home.  Trial and Erroring how to make this all work was bound to happen.

DewieCox

elvistheking44 said:

Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?

I met a nurse that works at a General Hospital in make believe land. He says that every day the restrictions last, people fine new refreshing ways to spread bullshit.

tempo_n_groove

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

nicknyr15

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

It’s very odd to see states passing NY in cases yet still having WAYYYY less deaths than NY. Are doctors able to treat COVID better now? 

elvistheking44

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Certainly not huge headlines anymore about numbers of dead, or overcrowded hospitals. Also haven’t heard anything about Italy for sometime and they were so bad off in the beginning.

static111

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Coincidentally the numbers started to flatten out when trump took the data from the cdc and began funneling it through his buddies company.  We may never know with any real accuracy what the numbers are again. Anecdotally I can tell you that here in Austin the convention center has been turned into a field hospital, which seems strange if there is not an increased need for hospitalizations. Also local news reports that most of the major cities have been hiring out refrigerated trucks.   Nothing to see here I guess

tempo_n_groove

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Coincidentally the numbers started to flatten out when trump took the data from the cdc and began funneling it through his buddies company.  We may never know with any real accuracy what the numbers are again. Anecdotally I can tell you that here in Austin the convention center has been turned into a field hospital, which seems strange if there is not an increased need for hospitalizations. Also local news reports that most of the major cities have been hiring out refrigerated trucks.   Nothing to see here I guess

This not being reported to the masses worries me.  Elvis brings up valid points and that is why I asked.

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Coincidentally the numbers started to flatten out when trump took the data from the cdc and began funneling it through his buddies company.  We may never know with any real accuracy what the numbers are again. Anecdotally I can tell you that here in Austin the convention center has been turned into a field hospital, which seems strange if there is not an increased need for hospitalizations. Also local news reports that most of the major cities have been hiring out refrigerated trucks.   Nothing to see here I guess

This not being reported to the masses worries me.  Elvis brings up valid points and that is why I asked.

Here is the link for cases and deaths, updated daily

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

The data is on the CDC website broken down in a number of different ways.

Elvis' report about how cases are counted is incorrect. 

oftenreading

There are also theories about why the mortality rate seems to be dropping (seems to be, not yet confirmed that it is).

One part that is certainly true is that the much has been learned about how best to manage and treat covid cases, particularly the most serious ones, so the survival rate is very likely higher.

The second is that more of the new cases are in younger people.

The third is that, because the hospitals have not been so overwhelmed as they were early on, there aren't people dying due to lack of resources like ICU beds.

The same trend is being seen in other countries, including the UK, so probably no need to jump to the conclusion that the WH is suppressing data just yet. 

Poncier

nicknyr15 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

It’s very odd to see states passing NY in cases yet still having WAYYYY less deaths than NY. Are doctors able to treat COVID better now? 

2 factors at play.
A. they definitely have better treatment options now than in April including Remdesivir
2. Large number of cases now in young folks (cause they couldn't stay out of bars etc.) who are far less likely to die, whereas early outbreak was disproportionately infecting older folks

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Coincidentally the numbers started to flatten out when trump took the data from the cdc and began funneling it through his buddies company.  We may never know with any real accuracy what the numbers are again. Anecdotally I can tell you that here in Austin the convention center has been turned into a field hospital, which seems strange if there is not an increased need for hospitalizations. Also local news reports that most of the major cities have been hiring out refrigerated trucks.   Nothing to see here I guess

This not being reported to the masses worries me.  Elvis brings up valid points and that is why I asked.

Here is the link for cases and deaths, updated daily

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

The data is on the CDC website broken down in a number of different ways.

Elvis' report about how cases are counted is incorrect. 

I get lost on that site.  i was trying to find the daily deaths graphs by states.  I'm curious how the DR spiked or went down.  Can't seem to find it.

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Coincidentally the numbers started to flatten out when trump took the data from the cdc and began funneling it through his buddies company.  We may never know with any real accuracy what the numbers are again. Anecdotally I can tell you that here in Austin the convention center has been turned into a field hospital, which seems strange if there is not an increased need for hospitalizations. Also local news reports that most of the major cities have been hiring out refrigerated trucks.   Nothing to see here I guess

This not being reported to the masses worries me.  Elvis brings up valid points and that is why I asked.

Here is the link for cases and deaths, updated daily

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

The data is on the CDC website broken down in a number of different ways.

Elvis' report about how cases are counted is incorrect. 

I get lost on that site.  i was trying to find the daily deaths graphs by states.  I'm curious how the DR spiked or went down.  Can't seem to find it.

States:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans

World:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/mapping-spread-new-coronavirus/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.

Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY.  Houston was a blip then nothing more.  Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?

Coincidentally the numbers started to flatten out when trump took the data from the cdc and began funneling it through his buddies company.  We may never know with any real accuracy what the numbers are again. Anecdotally I can tell you that here in Austin the convention center has been turned into a field hospital, which seems strange if there is not an increased need for hospitalizations. Also local news reports that most of the major cities have been hiring out refrigerated trucks.   Nothing to see here I guess

This not being reported to the masses worries me.  Elvis brings up valid points and that is why I asked.

Here is the link for cases and deaths, updated daily

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

The data is on the CDC website broken down in a number of different ways.

Elvis' report about how cases are counted is incorrect. 

I get lost on that site.  i was trying to find the daily deaths graphs by states.  I'm curious how the DR spiked or went down.  Can't seem to find it.

States:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans

World:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/mapping-spread-new-coronavirus/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_tracker-bullets:homepage/story-ans

TY.

It's amazing that we dwarf China and India in Covid deaths yet they dwarf our population 5x over.