Kaepernick

mickeyrat

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

Go Beavers

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

It's how white supremacists (alt-right) have mainstreamed their message and turn it into policy. Take an issue and turn it into 'liberals hate our country and are destroying it'. Conservatives and closeted bigots will support this over what it actually is, which is an attempt to keep white privilege, if not grow it. trump and friends know this works. 

brianlux

Go Beavers said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

It's how white supremacists (alt-right) have mainstreamed their message and turn it into policy. Take an issue and turn it into 'liberals hate our country and are destroying it'. Conservatives and closeted bigots will support this over what it actually is, which is an attempt to keep white privilege, if not grow it. trump and friends know this works. 

Excellent points, both.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

It's how white supremacists (alt-right) have mainstreamed their message and turn it into policy. Take an issue and turn it into 'liberals hate our country and are destroying it'. Conservatives and closeted bigots will support this over what it actually is, which is an attempt to keep white privilege, if not grow it. trump and friends know this works. 

You're giving these people a lot of credit suggesting the reality is by design.

It might very well be, but such an idea means Trump is far more formidable than I've ever believed him to be. I'd hate to think I have been wrong about him.

Donald Trump... highly intelligent... in pursuit of a bigger, more sinister vision than meets the eye.

Hmmm. Maybe. 

benjs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

It's how white supremacists (alt-right) have mainstreamed their message and turn it into policy. Take an issue and turn it into 'liberals hate our country and are destroying it'. Conservatives and closeted bigots will support this over what it actually is, which is an attempt to keep white privilege, if not grow it. trump and friends know this works. 

You're giving these people a lot of credit suggesting the reality is by design.

It might very well be, but such an idea means Trump is far more formidable than I've ever believed him to be. I'd hate to think I have been wrong about him.

Donald Trump... highly intelligent... in pursuit of a bigger, more sinister vision than meets the eye.

Hmmm. Maybe. 

Whether there's malice in the distractions being brought forward, or whether they're simply an impulsive dictatorial leader's whims of the moment, the reality is the same: things that matter are being forgotten, and replaced by things that don't. 

Good, neutral, or bad for Trump (and intentional or accidental) are irrelevant to me. It's the goodness of his acts for the population (again, whether intentional or accidental) which matter.

OnWis97

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20980456/roger-goodell-sends-letter-nfl-teams-wants-players-stand-national-anthem

Trump wins.  He always has and always will.  The American People have the back of the beloved President.

brianlux

OnWis97 said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20980456/roger-goodell-sends-letter-nfl-teams-wants-players-stand-national-anthem

Trump wins.  He always has and always will.  The American People have the back of the beloved President.

How so?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/354325-poll-trump-approval-hits-32-percent

HughFreakingDillon

OnWis97 said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20980456/roger-goodell-sends-letter-nfl-teams-wants-players-stand-national-anthem

Trump wins.  He always has and always will.  The American People have the back of the beloved President.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

It's how white supremacists (alt-right) have mainstreamed their message and turn it into policy. Take an issue and turn it into 'liberals hate our country and are destroying it'. Conservatives and closeted bigots will support this over what it actually is, which is an attempt to keep white privilege, if not grow it. trump and friends know this works. 

You're giving these people a lot of credit suggesting the reality is by design.

It might very well be, but such an idea means Trump is far more formidable than I've ever believed him to be. I'd hate to think I have been wrong about him.

Donald Trump... highly intelligent... in pursuit of a bigger, more sinister vision than meets the eye.

Hmmm. Maybe. 

Whether there's malice in the distractions being brought forward, or whether they're simply an impulsive dictatorial leader's whims of the moment, the reality is the same: things that matter are being forgotten, and replaced by things that don't. 

Good, neutral, or bad for Trump (and intentional or accidental) are irrelevant to me. It's the goodness of his acts for the population (again, whether intentional or accidental) which matter.

I hear what you are saying, but I do think it is significant to fully comprehend what we're dealing with in order to deal with it.

Is Trump Inspector Clouseau... or is Trump a sinister dictator?

Has he skillfully managed to distract the public to further a bigger agenda... or has he clumsily managed to distract the public with no real plan in place? The answer to this question results in, as you stated, the same reality; however, at the risk of being wrong... it is my opinion that the 'Clouseau' variety Trump is less threatening and easier to manage than the 'sinister' variety.

OnWis97

brianlux said:

OnWis97 said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20980456/roger-goodell-sends-letter-nfl-teams-wants-players-stand-national-anthem

Trump wins.  He always has and always will.  The American People have the back of the beloved President.

How so?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/354325-poll-trump-approval-hits-32-percent

I bet it's over 50% among NFL fans, which is why they have no choice here.

tempo_n_groove

No mention of Jemele Hill of ESPN getting suspended?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/09/media/jemele-hill-espn-suspended/index.html

dignin

Ugh, listening to Trump ramble on and joke with the Penguins behind him makes me sick.

They shouldn't have went.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

It's how white supremacists (alt-right) have mainstreamed their message and turn it into policy. Take an issue and turn it into 'liberals hate our country and are destroying it'. Conservatives and closeted bigots will support this over what it actually is, which is an attempt to keep white privilege, if not grow it. trump and friends know this works. 

You're giving these people a lot of credit suggesting the reality is by design.

It might very well be, but such an idea means Trump is far more formidable than I've ever believed him to be. I'd hate to think I have been wrong about him.

Donald Trump... highly intelligent... in pursuit of a bigger, more sinister vision than meets the eye.

Hmmm. Maybe. 

It's not so much by trump's design, but he certainly goes along with it. Read up on Richard Spencer and his work on getting the white supremacist message more mainstream. Also read the Buzzfeed article on Yani and Bannon's communication about doing this very thing where they hitched that message on to the liberal hate wagon. trump wants to feed his narcissism first by getting a reaction from supporters, and then satisfy his bigotry second.  

benjs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile, the real issue is still ongoing and people are being murdered.....
maybe lets focus on that instead of the manufactured distraction.

It's how white supremacists (alt-right) have mainstreamed their message and turn it into policy. Take an issue and turn it into 'liberals hate our country and are destroying it'. Conservatives and closeted bigots will support this over what it actually is, which is an attempt to keep white privilege, if not grow it. trump and friends know this works. 

You're giving these people a lot of credit suggesting the reality is by design.

It might very well be, but such an idea means Trump is far more formidable than I've ever believed him to be. I'd hate to think I have been wrong about him.

Donald Trump... highly intelligent... in pursuit of a bigger, more sinister vision than meets the eye.

Hmmm. Maybe. 

Whether there's malice in the distractions being brought forward, or whether they're simply an impulsive dictatorial leader's whims of the moment, the reality is the same: things that matter are being forgotten, and replaced by things that don't. 

Good, neutral, or bad for Trump (and intentional or accidental) are irrelevant to me. It's the goodness of his acts for the population (again, whether intentional or accidental) which matter.

I hear what you are saying, but I do think it is significant to fully comprehend what we're dealing with in order to deal with it.

Is Trump Inspector Clouseau... or is Trump a sinister dictator?

Has he skillfully managed to distract the public to further a bigger agenda... or has he clumsily managed to distract the public with no real plan in place? The answer to this question results in, as you stated, the same reality; however, at the risk of being wrong... it is my opinion that the 'Clouseau' variety Trump is less threatening and easier to manage than the 'sinister' variety.

I guess from my perspective, Trump is producing a reality which is sinister, regardless of his intent. Either he has sinister intent, or his 'Clouseau' behaviour has led him to be manipulated by others with that sinister intent, which he then implements.

It's sad, but I just can't visualize a democracy working in the long-term if its designers (i.e. politicians) are permitted to partake in capitalism (for example, negotiating deals to produce profit for themselves) - and I can't visualize a citizen participating in democratic design if he or she isn't welcome to partake in capitalism. 

brianlux

OnWis97 said:

brianlux said:

OnWis97 said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20980456/roger-goodell-sends-letter-nfl-teams-wants-players-stand-national-anthem

Trump wins.  He always has and always will.  The American People have the back of the beloved President.

How so?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/354325-poll-trump-approval-hits-32-percent

I bet it's over 50% among NFL fans, which is why they have no choice here.

If that's true, then football is a sport for brain-dead fucks.  But I don't think that's the case.  

Well, maybe*...

... but then, I'm a baseball fan.

*JUST KIDDING, football fans.  I watch our 9ers now and then too!

PJfanwillneverleave1

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It's pretty clear that the Cowboys can't kneel now or it will be considered disrespecting the flag and they will not be allowed to play. Yet some people here still think the keeling is only about social and racial injustices.  It's straightforward and logical thinking to see it this way.  The kneeling has become anti-Trump. Admit it.

so because Jerry Jones says it's about the flag, it's about the flag? an old white dude telling black people what they're protesting about?

look, the increase in kneeling is partially about Trump, but not specifically him. It's about a white man in the highest position of power telling people of colour that the protest of racial inequality is disrespecting the country and all it stands for and that they are wrong to be doing it. at the same time as saying that white supremacists are good people and that they should be allowed to protest.

THAT IS WHAT OPPRESSION IS.

he is attempting to silence them and downplay the issues they are bringing to the forefront. they aren't protesting Trump, they are protesting what he stands for, and that is the oppression and inequality of white people. The more he riles his base up against black people, the more black people are going to join in the protest. 

the kaepernick issue was largely being ignored until Trump brought it up. especially since he wasn't even on the field this year. he created this monster himself. I don't know yet if it's brilliance in riling up the racists and to distract them from how terrible his presidency is, or if it's just him being incredibly stupid and and it working out for him at the same time. Much like his candidacy, and now his presidency, it seems like everything he says/does is brilliant in its absolute stupidity. 

he is confounding his detractors and keeps them scrambling on how to react at every turn. but I don't think he does it on purpose. I think it's just that his base is just as stupid as he is and frothing at the mouth at every word he says. that's what they love about him. they feel like they can relate to him on the most basic level. 

Trump, if you recall, also took credit for Kaepernick not getting signed, saying he'd create a PR crisis for any team that signed him. 

You have a lot of good points in that opinion.  I do recall President Trump saying "create a PR crisis".....

I also believe that big changes are coming for the NFL and fast with regards to the anthem and standing.  I venture to say that anyone who kneels will either be placed on waivers or bought out.

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It's pretty clear that the Cowboys can't kneel now or it will be considered disrespecting the flag and they will not be allowed to play. Yet some people here still think the keeling is only about social and racial injustices.  It's straightforward and logical thinking to see it this way.  The kneeling has become anti-Trump. Admit it.

so because Jerry Jones says it's about the flag, it's about the flag? an old white dude telling black people what they're protesting about?

look, the increase in kneeling is partially about Trump, but not specifically him. It's about a white man in the highest position of power telling people of colour that the protest of racial inequality is disrespecting the country and all it stands for and that they are wrong to be doing it. at the same time as saying that white supremacists are good people and that they should be allowed to protest.

THAT IS WHAT OPPRESSION IS.

he is attempting to silence them and downplay the issues they are bringing to the forefront. they aren't protesting Trump, they are protesting what he stands for, and that is the oppression and inequality of white people. The more he riles his base up against black people, the more black people are going to join in the protest. 

the kaepernick issue was largely being ignored until Trump brought it up. especially since he wasn't even on the field this year. he created this monster himself. I don't know yet if it's brilliance in riling up the racists and to distract them from how terrible his presidency is, or if it's just him being incredibly stupid and and it working out for him at the same time. Much like his candidacy, and now his presidency, it seems like everything he says/does is brilliant in its absolute stupidity. 

he is confounding his detractors and keeps them scrambling on how to react at every turn. but I don't think he does it on purpose. I think it's just that his base is just as stupid as he is and frothing at the mouth at every word he says. that's what they love about him. they feel like they can relate to him on the most basic level. 

Trump, if you recall, also took credit for Kaepernick not getting signed, saying he'd create a PR crisis for any team that signed him. 

You have a lot of good points in that opinion.  I do recall President Trump saying "create a PR crisis".....

I also believe that big changes are coming for the NFL and fast with regards to the anthem and standing.  I venture to say that anyone who kneels will either be placed on waivers or bought out.

that would only happen if the player is deemed expendable anyway and the statement the club wants to make is worth more to them than the player. no way a first star gets benched. not a chance. 

HesCalledDyer

A piece of cloth manufactured in China and words sung to the tune of an old English drinking song.

oftenreading

HesCalledDyer said:

A piece of cloth manufactured in China and words sung to the tune of an old English drinking song.

But they're good words. The best!

F Me In The Brain

oftenreading said:

HesCalledDyer said:

A piece of cloth manufactured in China and words sung to the tune of an old English drinking song.

But they're good words. The best!

I like the words, agree.
Overall, I like your anthem more as a song.