What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
The point of the picture isn't about Nike's right as a company to do what they want. It's to show that even the first black president evidently did not associate that flag with racism. I think it's 100% relevant to the discussion about the flag and whether it's a direct reflection of racism, not whether Nike does/not have the right to make or recall any shoe they want.
I may disagree with what this whole thing is about with you, but at least you take the time to write out a genuine response. So thanks for that.
Either way this whole Nike flag thing is pretty stupid (and in my opinion being blow way out of proportion) and not really worth the argument (for me anyways). So I'm bowing out.
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
The point of the picture isn't about Nike's right as a company to do what they want. It's to show that even the first black president evidently did not associate that flag with racism. I think it's 100% relevant to the discussion about the flag and whether it's a direct reflection of racism, not whether Nike does/not have the right to make or recall any shoe they want.
I may disagree with what this whole thing is about with you, but at least you take the time to write out a genuine response. So thanks for that.
Either way this whole Nike flag thing is pretty stupid (and in my opinion being blow way out of proportion) and not really worth the argument (for me anyways). So I'm bowing out.
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
that's rich coming from you.
and you obviously didn't understand that was the point of my comment.
According to some recently he also had a racist VP
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What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
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What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
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Buscemi, lol! Cool!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
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Buscemi, lol! Cool!
Always Mr. Pink.
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What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
added to the list.
Buscemi, lol! Cool!
Always Mr. Pink.
What's the reference? Also, what film is the gif from? Not sure I've seen it (or forgot), and I really like Buscemi's work!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
added to the list.
Buscemi, lol! Cool!
Always Mr. Pink.
What's the reference? Also, what film is the gif from? Not sure I've seen it (or forgot), and I really like Buscemi's work!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
added to the list.
Buscemi, lol! Cool!
Always Mr. Pink.
He will always be fucking Donny to me.
Ah.. true. Reservoir Dogs was something I watched 50 times when it came out. I think I was 20. So a few years before Lebowski
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
added to the list.
Buscemi, lol! Cool!
Always Mr. Pink.
He will always be fucking Donny to me.
Is this how your remember him?
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,719
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
added to the list.
Buscemi, lol! Cool!
Always Mr. Pink.
What's the reference? Also, what film is the gif from? Not sure I've seen it (or forgot), and I really like Buscemi's work!
Mr Pink is from Reservoir Dogs.
The Gif is from Billy Madison
Cool, thanks!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
What's your point? Flying flags in government from a historical perspective is far different than a private company choosing what they want to put on their product. Nobody is saying we should pretend the flag doesn't exist.
that's funny, since you just stated the exact same argument folks had for keeping monuments and confederate flags from the civil war era in government.
"historical perspective".
What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.
That's what we call a strawman.
oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.
I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.
I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.
And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.
Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all?
add another one to the list.
If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
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That's how much money Nike made in a complete in-house manufactured controversy in less then a week. three billion dollars.
I hope everyone had fun getting into huge arguments with their relatives while eating hot dogs over the holiday. I hope Kap got his 10% fee from Nike, but not likely. Nike is playing him as a fool too.
What I read back when they did that viral ad with "Kap" was that Nike was planning/Wanted to drop him after his controversy with the NFL. But Nikes ad agency convinced them to still use him. So, if that is the case - the ad agency and not Nike saw the potential in "Kap" as a face for the brand.
Smart move either way. Ofc.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
That's how much money Nike made in a complete in-house manufactured controversy in less then a week. three billion dollars.
I hope everyone had fun getting into huge arguments with their relatives while eating hot dogs over the holiday. I hope Kap got his 10% fee from Nike, but not likely. Nike is playing him as a fool too.
I don't think that's an accurate assessment. If you're using market cap as the metric, the stock performed in line with every other index last week. Nike was up 2.7%, S&P was up 2.4. Today their market cap is 139 billion. It makes sense that they were 136 billion a week ago.
I can’t even figure out who’s supposed to be the snowflakes here...
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brianlux
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edited July 2019
You know what's really weird and irritating as hell? Every time (and I mean every time) this thread comes up on my notifications, I hear in my head some school chum from long ago chanting, "Rah rah ree/ kick 'em in the knee/ Rah rah rass/ kick 'em in the other knee".
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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and you obviously didn't understand that was the point of my comment.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Valuation up $3B.
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Smart move either way. Ofc.
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This old wheel keeps on rolling down the road.
But this mom makes some very good points it's worth a listen and a read.