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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Here's an article that poses some provocative questions:

    Why is the national anthem a staple of sporting events to begin with?
    Why does the United States stand apart in making the anthem a part of the pregame ritual?
    And what does it mean to be patriotic?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/31/sports/football/colin-kaepernicks-anthem-protest-underlines-union-of-sports-and-patriotism.html?_r=0



    One of the first times I became curious about this anthem custom was in the late 1960's and was introduced via another incident that took place in England quite a few years ago. My curiosity was sparked by this fascinating document of John Mayall and the Blues breakers playing "God Save the Queen". As Mayall put it, "A strange ballroom rule insisted we close the performance by playing "God Save the Queen". This would have to be the first and the last." (From the liner notes to "John Mayall, The Diary of a Band Volume 1". (Despite not-so-great sound quality, a record well worth tracking down):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BdjYzHdhl8
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    I just can't believe people give a fuck what a back up qb on a horrible team does.

    He's got the right to do that. People have the right to be pjssed. Not really too much to discuss. I think Colin was a bit surprised by how his actions were perceived by the public. It came off as anti-military. I know that's not what he meant, but many people are seeing it that way. I think it may be best for him to stay in the locker room I during the national anthem. Let's be honest, is him sitting during the anthem really going to bring one ounce of awareness to black lives?
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    He has every right to protest...if this is how he choose's to voice his displeasure then that is his right and makes him just as patriotic as flag waving athem singing patriots.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I think it's pretty hilarious/infuriating that most of the people upset that he dared to suggest America isn't great are wearing red hats that say America isn't great.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    lukin2006 said:

    He has every right to protest...if this is how he choose's to voice his displeasure then that is his right and makes him just as patriotic as flag waving athem singing patriots.

    And his employers have every right to cut his ass for choosing to voice his displeasure in such a way.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Degeneratefk said:

    I just can't believe people give a fuck what a back up qb on a horrible team does.

    He's got the right to do that. People have the right to be pjssed. Not really too much to discuss. I think Colin was a bit surprised by how his actions were perceived by the public. It came off as anti-military. I know that's not what he meant, but many people are seeing it that way. I think it may be best for him to stay in the locker room I during the national anthem. Let's be honest, is him sitting during the anthem really going to bring one ounce of awareness to black lives?

    That's just because your typical American idiot is so indoctrinated in faux patriotism they can't distinguish symbols from soldiers.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    check out the hastag #veteransforkapernick. Pretty good stuff there.
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    rgambs said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    I just can't believe people give a fuck what a back up qb on a horrible team does.

    He's got the right to do that. People have the right to be pjssed. Not really too much to discuss. I think Colin was a bit surprised by how his actions were perceived by the public. It came off as anti-military. I know that's not what he meant, but many people are seeing it that way. I think it may be best for him to stay in the locker room I during the national anthem. Let's be honest, is him sitting during the anthem really going to bring one ounce of awareness to black lives?

    That's just because your typical American idiot is so indoctrinated in faux patriotism they can't distinguish symbols from soldiers.
    Ehh, that's not necessarily true. How a message is delivered is just as important as the message he's trying to send.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,940
    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    edited August 2016
    pjhawks said:

    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.

    See, mr. Gambs? The delivery method is sometimes just as important as the message itself.
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,960
    The NFL has been shoving forced patriotism down American's necks for years so it is no surprise at all the backlash he is getting. I find it funny, nearly laughable, that he protests the treatment of minorities but the issue becomes him dishonoring veterans. When did our National Anthem become about individual soldiers and not the state of our nation as a whole?
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,940
    eddiec said:

    The NFL has been shoving forced patriotism down American's necks for years so it is no surprise at all the backlash he is getting. I find it funny, nearly laughable, that he protests the treatment of minorities but the issue becomes him dishonoring veterans. When did our National Anthem become about individual soldiers and not the state of our nation as a whole?

    when it was written. check your history of the song.
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,960
    pjhawks said:

    eddiec said:

    The NFL has been shoving forced patriotism down American's necks for years so it is no surprise at all the backlash he is getting. I find it funny, nearly laughable, that he protests the treatment of minorities but the issue becomes him dishonoring veterans. When did our National Anthem become about individual soldiers and not the state of our nation as a whole?

    when it was written. check your history of the song.
    I know the history and it has been abused.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    edited August 2016
    pjhawks said:

    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.

    The people who fought for him fought for his exact freedom to express his point of view, not for a flag or for a song.

    Edit: And I personally thought what he had to say on the topic was pretty well thought out.
    Post edited by Cliffy6745 on
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,835
    edited June 2020
    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.

    Post edited by F Me In The Brain on
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Cliffy6745 said:

    pjhawks said:

    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.

    The people who fought for him fought for his exact freedom to express his point of view, not for a flag or for a song.
    Exactly, and his employer firing him for protesting on their dime is also a great way of expressing their patriotism and point of view :)
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    PJPOWER said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    pjhawks said:

    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.

    The people who fought for him fought for his exact freedom to express his point of view, not for a flag or for a song.
    Exactly, and his employer firing him for protesting on their dime is also a great way of expressing their patriotism and point of view :)
    Okay....sure but you have to be "rah rah America" to be a football player?
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,835
    Cliffy6745 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    pjhawks said:

    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.

    The people who fought for him fought for his exact freedom to express his point of view, not for a flag or for a song.
    Exactly, and his employer firing him for protesting on their dime is also a great way of expressing their patriotism and point of view :)
    Okay....sure but you have to be "rah rah America" to be a football player?
    If he was good it wouldn't be anything they would even consider cutting him over, let's be real. They held on to a pile of walking shit named Aldon Smith while he repeatedly messed up because they thought he could be a player. Once they realized his problems wouldn't allow that they dumped him.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    The history of America for black folks is quite different than the history of America for white folks. I am shocked that this type of stuff doesn't happen more.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    F Me In The Brain said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    pjhawks said:

    it's a meaningless attention grabbing no substance protest just like BLM. If he wants to make a difference actually do something instead of sitting on a bench.

    Personally i think it's disrespectful to the people who fought for him to have the freedoms he has.

    The people who fought for him fought for his exact freedom to express his point of view, not for a flag or for a song.
    Exactly, and his employer firing him for protesting on their dime is also a great way of expressing their patriotism and point of view :)
    Okay....sure but you have to be "rah rah America" to be a football player?
    If he was good it wouldn't be anything they would even consider cutting him over, let's be real. They held on to a pile of walking shit named Aldon Smith while he repeatedly messed up because they thought he could be a player. Once they realized his problems wouldn't allow that they dumped him.
    Of course...

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