This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
Great post, Dyer. I learned some things from it, thanks!
Man, how the times have changed. In the late 60's to about mid 70's, most radical groups that existed were based on opposition to an unjust war in Vietnam or in support of giving African Americans the freedoms the Civil Rights Movement brought attention to, but not wide acceptance of. Now there is this plethora of radical groups (more so on the far right but also on the far left) that are built on hate. More than ever, I like John Lennon's words, "But if you want money for people with minds that hate/ All I can tell is brother you have to wait." It's disturbing how much hate there is out there in the world.
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Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
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And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
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This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
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What do you think the odds are if a Democrat candidate denounces the current American flag? I’m sure there are photos of Grand Wizard Billy Ray Joe Bob standing next to one on the World Wide Web.
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Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.
this women is entitled to her opinion. THAT is what her son died defending.
I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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What do you think the odds are if a Democrat candidate denounces the current American flag? I’m sure there are photos of Grand Wizard Billy Ray Joe Bob standing next to one on the World Wide Web.
They should at least promise to order it to be turned it upside down if becoming president.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
What do you think the odds are if a Democrat candidate denounces the current American flag? I’m sure there are photos of Grand Wizard Billy Ray Joe Bob standing next to one on the World Wide Web.
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Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.
this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.
I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.
Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.
this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.
I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.
It's a pretty well understood metaphor. I don't think one needs to clarify that.
Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.
this women is entitled to her opinion. THAT is what her son died defending.
I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.
this women is entitled to her opinion. THAT is what her son died defending.
I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
This is who needed clarification.
Why did you quote me? What did I not understand about the flag being a symbol?
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Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.
this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.
I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.
FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.
Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.
Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.
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This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
it was....
that stain runs deep. the past cant be changed. the present and future can be. he has the right, of course, to express homself. it just seems unproductive to me.
so the question I have is , how did this move the country forward?
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
I don't know if someone mentioned it, but the "III" is the 3%er myth; that only 3% of the population participated in the Revolution. It's used as propaganda that these fringe groups would be successful in overthrowing the guvmint.
I agree we should never use the flag with the III, for obvious reasons. Totally disagree that we should never use the original flag because of some dipshit rednecks.
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
it was....
So what? It's not now. Nike didn't make it into a shoe. And a racist organization founded as a reaction to a spooky black man being elected President now uses it. You really don't understand why black people would have a problem with this?
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
it was....
So what? It's not now. Nike didn't make it into a shoe. And a racist organization founded as a reaction to a spooky black man being elected President now uses it. You really don't understand why black people would have a problem with this?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now. To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
it was....
So what? It's not now. Nike didn't make it into a shoe. And a racist organization founded as a reaction to a spooky black man being elected President now uses it. You really don't understand why black people would have a problem with this?
I understand why that one black guy has a problem (Kap) but I don't know that black people as a monolith have a problem or even give a shit. Neither the outrage culture nor the Twitterverse is necessarily a good sampling of how "black people" or all people feel in general about any subject whatsoever. And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back. It's not like Nike put the III in the middle. The current flag is a symbol of segregation and Jim Crow. Are you upset when you see a baseball player wearing it on their shoes, hat or jersey? Should we be?
Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass
Especially from ijr.com LOL
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could. Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit. Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.
this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.
I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.
FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.
Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.
Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.
I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat. So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it. Thank you again Mickey rat.
. And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back.
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. And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back.
Un-woke. This guy needs to check his privilege, whoever he is.
The whole crowd was UN-woke. Proudest I’ve ever been chanting, USA, USA!
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. And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back.
Un-woke. This guy needs to check his privilege, whoever he is.
The whole crowd was UN-woke. Proudest I’ve ever been chanting, USA, USA!
Was that Philly? I vaguely remember that, although I remember him having on a Rocky shirt one night and a Bruce the other. I also recall him coming out in stars and stripes robe in either 13 or 16 in Philly.
I'm more than ready for an arena show in Philly. NEVER miss a Philly show. That's rule one of PJ concerts for me.
. And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back.
Un-woke. This guy needs to check his privilege, whoever he is.
The whole crowd was UN-woke. Proudest I’ve ever been chanting, USA, USA!
Was that Philly? I vaguely remember that, although I remember him having on a Rocky shirt one night and a Bruce the other. I also recall him coming out in stars and stripes robe in either 13 or 16 in Philly.
I'm more than ready for an arena show in Philly. NEVER miss a Philly show. That's rule one of PJ concerts for me.
I’m pretty sure it was vote for change Grand Rapids show. I’ve seen one PJ concert in Philly 05 or 06, I forget. Furthest I’ve traveled for a PJ show. Lol.
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To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I agree we should never use the flag with the III, for obvious reasons. Totally disagree that we should never use the original flag because of some dipshit rednecks.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back. It's not like Nike put the III in the middle. The current flag is a symbol of segregation and Jim Crow. Are you upset when you see a baseball player wearing it on their shoes, hat or jersey? Should we be?
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.
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I'm more than ready for an arena show in Philly. NEVER miss a Philly show. That's rule one of PJ concerts for me.
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