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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    RYME said:
    I totally get that there is an oppression problem.
    Pissing on the flag, and kneeling for the anthem is not going to advance the cause.
    The discussion has been all about whether or not there should be kneeling or not.  Nobody's talking about how to deal with the oppression problem.
    Kneeling in protest to oppression is a right protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.  There shouldn't even be a discussion of whether or not there should be kneeling.
    The only person pissing on the flag is Trump.  The flag stands for every American citizen.  Not just the military, and sure as hell not just republicans.  It is a symbol (<-- that's an important word here) of the freedoms we are ALL afforded and that we are ALL able to exercise, whether in support or protest, to continue to improve the nation and the welfare of ALL of its citizens.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    PJ_Soul said:
    Having rules about how someone treats a flag is pretty much the stupidest thing I've heard of. I can't believe so many people support that bullshit. It's so ridiculous. It makes me want to poop on and burn flags just out of spite.
    especially when those same idiots wear American flag crotch rockets. 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    “I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.”

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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited October 2017
    Protesting is as American as apple pie.  The NFL made the correct decision today stating that the players do not have to stand during the anthem.  I do not believe that anyone should be forced to stand.
    Yes you do have the right to do whatever the hell you want to the flag. You can do whatever you want during the national anthem.  You can sit on your ass, that is your right. 
    There are an awful lot of men and women who have fought for our rights to do these things.  Like this guy.
    https://youtu.be/JHWBxazG6pA
    Not everyone despises the United States, including  Usain Bolt.
    https://youtu.be/2lZguykClGg
    Who showed a little respect, pausing during his gold metal interview so he could respect the United States.
    But right now,  I don't think that they are protesting police brutality right now, or oppression of colord people which was what Colin Kaepernick was originally kneeling for.  The last several weeks was because Donald Trump opened his big mouth and said things that the players didn't like.  I didn't like it either.
    Charles Barkley said it this way.  I agree with most, but not all of what Barkley said.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355980-charles-barkley-few-nfl-players-were-protesting-until-trump-opened
    Post edited by RYME on
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    How many decades did Kerry Collins find himself on the field with stats and skills below Kaepernick's?
    Lol
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,366
    RYME said:
    Protesting is as American as apple pie.  The NFL made the correct decision today stating that the players do not have to stand during the anthem.  I do not believe that anyone should be forced to stand.
    Yes you do have the right to do whatever the hell you want to the flag. You can do whatever you want during the national anthem.  You can sit on your ass, that is your right. 
    There are an awful lot of men and women who have fought for our rights to do these things.  Like this guy.
    https://youtu.be/JHWBxazG6pA
    Not everyone despises the United States, including  Usain Bolt.
    https://youtu.be/2lZguykClGg
    Who showed a little respect, pausing during his gold metal interview so he could respect the United States.
    But right now,  I don't think that they are protesting police brutality right now, or oppression of colord people which was what Colin Kaepernick was originally kneeling for.  The last several weeks was because Donald Trump opened his big mouth and said things that the players didn't like.  I didn't like it either.
    Charles Barkley said it this way.  I agree with most, but not all of what Barkley said.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355980-charles-barkley-few-nfl-players-were-protesting-until-trump-opened
    If Donald Trump tried too hard to suppress protesters, and kneeling pivoted from supporting the plight of the oppressed to the protection of protest as a form of legal thought/speech, the topic remains relevant and significant, and thus so does the form of protest.

    And speaking of respect which you seem to value, it’s been seen as disrespectful to call black/African-American people ‘colored’ for at least my 27 years alive.

    As George Carlin says, respect should be earned, not given. Not to mention one can disrespect the decisions of American leadership and respect people who have exhibited blind allegiance to the country and its decision makers (even if their intent is to send them to their deaths in sometimes unnecessary war).
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited October 2017
    benjs said:
    RYME said:
    Protesting is as American as apple pie.  The NFL made the correct decision today stating that the players do not have to stand during the anthem.  I do not believe that anyone should be forced to stand.
    Yes you do have the right to do whatever the hell you want to the flag. You can do whatever you want during the national anthem.  You can sit on your ass, that is your right. 
    There are an awful lot of men and women who have fought for our rights to do these things.  Like this guy.
    https://youtu.be/JHWBxazG6pA
    Not everyone despises the United States, including  Usain Bolt.
    https://youtu.be/2lZguykClGg
    Who showed a little respect, pausing during his gold metal interview so he could respect the United States.
    But right now,  I don't think that they are protesting police brutality right now, or oppression of colord people which was what Colin Kaepernick was originally kneeling for.  The last several weeks was because Donald Trump opened his big mouth and said things that the players didn't like.  I didn't like it either.
    Charles Barkley said it this way.  I agree with most, but not all of what Barkley said.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355980-charles-barkley-few-nfl-players-were-protesting-until-trump-opened
    If Donald Trump tried too hard to suppress protesters, and kneeling pivoted from supporting the plight of the oppressed to the protection of protest as a form of legal thought/speech, the topic remains relevant and significant, and thus so does the form of protest.

    And speaking of respect which you seem to value, it’s been seen as disrespectful to call black/African-American people ‘colored’ for at least my 27 years alive.

    As George Carlin says, respect should be earned, not given. Not to mention one can disrespect the decisions of American leadership and respect people who have exhibited blind allegiance to the country and its decision makers (even if their intent is to send them to their deaths in sometimes unnecessary war).
    No disrespect to any race. I embrace all the races.. I was using Colin Kaepernick's own words when I said oppression of people of color.  And since Kaepernick said it that way I thought it was okay in describing what his original protest was for.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kaepernick
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  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    NFL teams are businesses. Any smart business owner wouldn’t hire someone like Kaepernick. Too much liability. The main goal of s business is to make as much money as possible, and he threatens that. Easy to see and not surprising. 
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
    I don't think they are the same. that moment of silence is about something very specific, one tragic event. the anthem is not just about soldiers, or one war, or one event. it's a multitude of things. 

    I for one, would disagree with someone not standing for your scenario above. 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
    I don't think they are the same. that moment of silence is about something very specific, one tragic event. the anthem is not just about soldiers, or one war, or one event. it's a multitude of things. 

    I for one, would disagree with someone not standing for your scenario above. 
    But it's well within our rights.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    edited October 2017
    dankind said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
    I don't think they are the same. that moment of silence is about something very specific, one tragic event. the anthem is not just about soldiers, or one war, or one event. it's a multitude of things. 

    I for one, would disagree with someone not standing for your scenario above. 
    But it's well within our rights.
    well of course it is. but that wasn't the question. 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited October 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dankind said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
    I don't think they are the same. that moment of silence is about something very specific, one tragic event. the anthem is not just about soldiers, or one war, or one event. it's a multitude of things. 

    I for one, would disagree with someone not standing for your scenario above. 
    But it's well within our rights.
    well of course it is. but that wasn't the question. 
    Hence my use of the proper conjunction for a contrasting segue.
    Post edited by dankind on
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,400
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dankind said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
    I don't think they are the same. that moment of silence is about something very specific, one tragic event. the anthem is not just about soldiers, or one war, or one event. it's a multitude of things. 

    I for one, would disagree with someone not standing for your scenario above. 
    But it's well within our rights.
    well of course it is. but that wasn't the question. 
    It's a good question. If someone who feels that police abuse their power to begin with, then maybe they wouldn't want to honor that moment of silence because they feel it is justice. Not that I agree with it, but I don't think that it isn't unreasonable for someone to think that way.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    tbergs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dankind said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
    I don't think they are the same. that moment of silence is about something very specific, one tragic event. the anthem is not just about soldiers, or one war, or one event. it's a multitude of things. 

    I for one, would disagree with someone not standing for your scenario above. 
    But it's well within our rights.
    well of course it is. but that wasn't the question. 
    It's a good question. If someone who feels that police abuse their power to begin with, then maybe they wouldn't want to honor that moment of silence because they feel it is justice. Not that I agree with it, but I don't think that it isn't unreasonable for someone to think that way.
    it is. but you aren't being asked to stand to honour the police force as a unit.  you are being asked to stand to honour a specific fallen cop. I think that might be different. However, I do see what you are saying. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    dankind said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dankind said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Is it okay to disregard a request for a moment's silence?

    For example, if the US' next mass shooting produces multiple police officers killed in the process of dealing with the situation... and in the city where the mass murder occurs (with legally acquired weapons and ammunition of course)... the PA announcer asks that people rise and pay a moment's silence for the fallen officers... would it be okay to disregard such a request?  
    I don't think they are the same. that moment of silence is about something very specific, one tragic event. the anthem is not just about soldiers, or one war, or one event. it's a multitude of things. 

    I for one, would disagree with someone not standing for your scenario above. 
    But it's well within our rights.
    well of course it is. but that wasn't the question. 
    Hence my use of the proper conjunction for a contrasting segue.
    fair enough, professor. 
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  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,729
    We would probably all get along better if we stopped being offended by how others honor a moment of silence, mourn, protest, fuck, pray, eat, drink, look, line up for pj merch, vote, think, live, die....
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    ed243421 said:
    We would probably all get along better if we stopped being offended by how others honor a moment of silence, mourn, protest, fuck, pray, eat, drink, look, line up for pj merch, vote, think, live, die....
    Some of those actions impact others though and it's hard to simply dismiss them when that impact is significant.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    i would hope that no one would be a big enough asshole to ignore a moment of silence for people who have passed away.  no matter what the circumstances that would be a really heartless thing to do,
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    And denigrating the peaceful protest of people who are trying to reduce racism and violence is a heartless thing to do. 
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