Kaepernick

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Coach Mike McCarthy emphatically shot down any possibility of the Packers signing free agent Colin Kaepernick.

"Is there any idea of bringing in Colin Kaepernick to compete for that backup job?," a reporter asked McCarthy, who fired back, rhetorically asking, "Did you just listen to any question I just answered!? I got three years invested in Brett Hundley, two years invested in Joe Callahan. The quarterback room is exactly where it needs to be." He's not interested; not that we expected the Packers to be.

Source: Rotoworld.

F Me In The Brain

Hey Mike.....Hundley stinks.

brianlux

Bentleyspop said:

49 years ago today.....

The Black Power Salute That Rocked the 1968 Olympics

http://time.com/3880999/black-power-salute-tommie-smith-and-john-carlos-at-the-1968-olympics/

I remember that.  It was amazing, heavy, powerful but also very cool.

RYME

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

benjs

RYME said:

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

That’s cute. Breast cancer affects black people and white people. Black oppression has now been associated with Black Lives Matter, which has been effectively portrayed as a terrorist group against white people. Even without the claim of association with a terrorist group, do you honestly believe that the quintessential white male American sports league would touch that with a ten foot pole?

There has yet to be a move to redistribute disproportionate power from white people to black people in the USA not met with animosity by some or much of the population. Please excuse any black person who wishes to drive change for not taking the advice of the white population who can’t decide whether they believe in equality if it costs them their pedestal of privilege.

If you’re not cynical about race relations in the States, you’re not learning from history enough. 

PJPOWER

benjs said:

RYME said:

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

That’s cute. Breast cancer affects black people and white people. Black oppression has now been associated with Black Lives Matter, which has been effectively portrayed as a terrorist group against white people. Even without the claim of association with a terrorist group, do you honestly believe that the quintessential white male American sports league would touch that with a ten foot pole?

There has yet to be a move to redistribute disproportionate power from white people to black people in the USA not met with animosity by some or much of the population. Please excuse any black person who wishes to drive change for not taking the advice of the white population who can’t decide whether they believe in equality if it costs them their pedestal of privilege.

If you’re not cynical about race relations in the States, you’re not learning from history enough. 

I’m intrigued, what do you mean by redistributing disproportionate power from white people?  What steps do you suggest be taken to remove the “pedestal of privilege”?

RYME

benjs said:

RYME said:

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

That’s cute. Breast cancer affects black people and white people. Black oppression has now been associated with Black Lives Matter, which has been effectively portrayed as a terrorist group against white people. Even without the claim of association with a terrorist group, do you honestly believe that the quintessential white male American sports league would touch that with a ten foot pole?

There has yet to be a move to redistribute disproportionate power from white people to black people in the USA not met with animosity by some or much of the population. Please excuse any black person who wishes to drive change for not taking the advice of the white population who can’t decide whether they believe in equality if it costs them their pedestal of privilege.

If you’re not cynical about race relations in the States, you’re not learning from history enough. 

I was simply suggesting that Colon Kaepernick and the like, take a different approach to tackling, and raising awareness to the social Injustice issues that they want acknowledged.  
Gee whiz.

benjs

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

RYME said:

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

That’s cute. Breast cancer affects black people and white people. Black oppression has now been associated with Black Lives Matter, which has been effectively portrayed as a terrorist group against white people. Even without the claim of association with a terrorist group, do you honestly believe that the quintessential white male American sports league would touch that with a ten foot pole?

There has yet to be a move to redistribute disproportionate power from white people to black people in the USA not met with animosity by some or much of the population. Please excuse any black person who wishes to drive change for not taking the advice of the white population who can’t decide whether they believe in equality if it costs them their pedestal of privilege.

If you’re not cynical about race relations in the States, you’re not learning from history enough. 

I’m intrigued, what do you mean by redistributing disproportionate power from white people?  What steps do you suggest be taken to remove the “pedestal of privilege”?

I guess it’s based on a concept I feel a democratic government ought to strive for: equal opportunity for its citizens. If you believe this, then you have to ask what constitutes opportunity?

For me, I think of it like a plane. What creates the possibility of take-off for a plane is propulsion forces, and what inhibits that possibility is drag. If the propulsion forced exceed those of the drag, there is the capability for lift. 

Historically, the drag of a white person’s life in North America has been less than that of a black person’s (due to poorer access to education and/or jobs), and each generation to some degree inherits the drag of ancestor (think of an uneducated parent who falls ill with poor health insurance, or a family house mortgage left to the next generation). For every person the equation is the same: take the factors that encourage opportunity (access to education, jobs, health), subtract the factors that discourage it (dependents in a family, debts), and you reach your net opportunity. If white people on average have less drag and similar propulsion forces (typically, they have both less drag and more propulsion forces), then they have a greater net opportunity. This is the pedestal I'm speaking of.

From what I’ve seen, the common GOP stance is that opportunity is unencumbered by ‘drag’, and that they are thus promoting equal opportunity. I vehemently disagree.

PJPOWER

benjs said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

RYME said:

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

That’s cute. Breast cancer affects black people and white people. Black oppression has now been associated with Black Lives Matter, which has been effectively portrayed as a terrorist group against white people. Even without the claim of association with a terrorist group, do you honestly believe that the quintessential white male American sports league would touch that with a ten foot pole?

There has yet to be a move to redistribute disproportionate power from white people to black people in the USA not met with animosity by some or much of the population. Please excuse any black person who wishes to drive change for not taking the advice of the white population who can’t decide whether they believe in equality if it costs them their pedestal of privilege.

If you’re not cynical about race relations in the States, you’re not learning from history enough. 

I’m intrigued, what do you mean by redistributing disproportionate power from white people?  What steps do you suggest be taken to remove the “pedestal of privilege”?

I guess it’s based on a concept I feel a democratic government ought to strive for: equal opportunity for its citizens. If you believe this, then you have to ask what constitutes opportunity?

For me, I think of it like a plane. What creates the possibility of take-off for a plane is propulsion forces, and what inhibits that possibility is drag. If the propulsion forced exceed those of the drag, there is the capability for lift. 

Historically, the drag of a white person’s life in North America has been less than that of a black person’s (due to poorer access to education and/or jobs), and each generation to some degree inherits the drag of ancestor (think of an uneducated parent who falls ill with poor health insurance, or a family house mortgage left to the next generation). For every person the equation is the same: take the factors that encourage opportunity (access to education, jobs, health), subtract the factors that discourage it (dependents in a family, debts), and you reach your net opportunity. If white people on average have less drag and similar propulsion forces (typically, they have both less drag and more propulsion forces), then they have a greater net opportunity. This is the pedestal I'm speaking of.

From what I’ve seen, the common GOP stance is that opportunity is unencumbered by ‘drag’, and that they are thus promoting equal opportunity. I vehemently disagree.

I understand your theory and agree with it to an extent, but I’m not sure my question has been answered.  What steps do you suggest taking to remove the “pedestal”?  Are you suggesting putting more “drag” on white people or just boosting the propulsion of black?  I recognize the problem as you stated with the propulsion/drag analogy, but what specific change could equalize the privileges?  Remove debt burdens from deceased relatives?  
I’m not sure that true fairness is anything but a fairytale, but I’m all about finding ways of encouraging it.

benjs

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

RYME said:

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

That’s cute. Breast cancer affects black people and white people. Black oppression has now been associated with Black Lives Matter, which has been effectively portrayed as a terrorist group against white people. Even without the claim of association with a terrorist group, do you honestly believe that the quintessential white male American sports league would touch that with a ten foot pole?

There has yet to be a move to redistribute disproportionate power from white people to black people in the USA not met with animosity by some or much of the population. Please excuse any black person who wishes to drive change for not taking the advice of the white population who can’t decide whether they believe in equality if it costs them their pedestal of privilege.

If you’re not cynical about race relations in the States, you’re not learning from history enough. 

I’m intrigued, what do you mean by redistributing disproportionate power from white people?  What steps do you suggest be taken to remove the “pedestal of privilege”?

I guess it’s based on a concept I feel a democratic government ought to strive for: equal opportunity for its citizens. If you believe this, then you have to ask what constitutes opportunity?

For me, I think of it like a plane. What creates the possibility of take-off for a plane is propulsion forces, and what inhibits that possibility is drag. If the propulsion forced exceed those of the drag, there is the capability for lift. 

Historically, the drag of a white person’s life in North America has been less than that of a black person’s (due to poorer access to education and/or jobs), and each generation to some degree inherits the drag of ancestor (think of an uneducated parent who falls ill with poor health insurance, or a family house mortgage left to the next generation). For every person the equation is the same: take the factors that encourage opportunity (access to education, jobs, health), subtract the factors that discourage it (dependents in a family, debts), and you reach your net opportunity. If white people on average have less drag and similar propulsion forces (typically, they have both less drag and more propulsion forces), then they have a greater net opportunity. This is the pedestal I'm speaking of.

From what I’ve seen, the common GOP stance is that opportunity is unencumbered by ‘drag’, and that they are thus promoting equal opportunity. I vehemently disagree.

I understand your theory and agree with it to an extent, but I’m not sure my question has been answered.  What steps do you suggest taking to remove the “pedestal”?  Are you suggesting putting more “drag” on white people or just boosting the propulsion of black?  I recognize the problem as you stated with the propulsion/drag analogy, but what specific change could equalize the privileges?  Remove debt burdens from deceased relatives?  
I’m not sure that true fairness is anything but a fairytale, but I’m all about finding ways of encouraging it.

I would never propose directly putting more drag on any life, but I believe this will incidentally occur (more on that below). I believe in boosting the propulsion of the black population of America, to counteract the drag they endure (for all intents and purposes, reducing drag or increasing propulsion should yield the same result of more equal opportunity). 

I don't know the steps, but I believe that conversations need to happen to formulate a plan to meet this holy grail of equal (hell, equal-ish would be an improvement) opportunity. As you mention, the removal of debt burdens from deceased relatives could be a good one, yes! 

As for my comment about incidentally producing drag, the unfortunate reality is that power is measured in dollars, and there's a finite amount of dollars earned within the country. If more is earned amongst America's black population, unless trade creates a surge of dollars flowing in, that finite amount of money earned will likely yield a lower-than-expected economic growth amongst the white population. Quite literally, to spend on opportunity for black persons seems likely to create an opportunity cost for white persons.

Dirtie_Frank

Boomer Esiason: Colin Kaepernick saga has been misrepresented; 'no way in the world' Packers should pay him

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'm posting this here because it's significant... and cool. There is no hidden agenda to me doing so (I'm not knocking Kap or others in any way).

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chris-long-announces-he-will-donate-every-game-check-this-season-to-charity/

HughFreakingDillon

benjs said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

RYME said:

You know instead of all this kneeling business during the anthem. Why don't you get a group of players together then go to the NFL and try to raise awareness for the oppression. The NFL has breast cancer awareness month wear they splash bright pink on the uniforms and such. Why don't they just come up with Oppression of Colored Awareness Month.  Maby September. I don't know what color scheme you would use for this or a symbol on the uniform I don't know. But then they could sell all of the oppression awareness apparel and use that money towards the cause. Leave the anthem alone and you'll be far better off because like it or lump it, most people that watch the NFL don't appreciate the kneeling and those kneeling pisses a lot of people off and they're turning it off the NFL that is... Come up with a better way to move your agenda. I would support it too I would buy whatever apparel that would come out of it. Not Pig socks though.

That’s cute. Breast cancer affects black people and white people. Black oppression has now been associated with Black Lives Matter, which has been effectively portrayed as a terrorist group against white people. Even without the claim of association with a terrorist group, do you honestly believe that the quintessential white male American sports league would touch that with a ten foot pole?

There has yet to be a move to redistribute disproportionate power from white people to black people in the USA not met with animosity by some or much of the population. Please excuse any black person who wishes to drive change for not taking the advice of the white population who can’t decide whether they believe in equality if it costs them their pedestal of privilege.

If you’re not cynical about race relations in the States, you’re not learning from history enough. 

I’m intrigued, what do you mean by redistributing disproportionate power from white people?  What steps do you suggest be taken to remove the “pedestal of privilege”?

I guess it’s based on a concept I feel a democratic government ought to strive for: equal opportunity for its citizens. If you believe this, then you have to ask what constitutes opportunity?

For me, I think of it like a plane. What creates the possibility of take-off for a plane is propulsion forces, and what inhibits that possibility is drag. If the propulsion forced exceed those of the drag, there is the capability for lift. 

Historically, the drag of a white person’s life in North America has been less than that of a black person’s (due to poorer access to education and/or jobs), and each generation to some degree inherits the drag of ancestor (think of an uneducated parent who falls ill with poor health insurance, or a family house mortgage left to the next generation). For every person the equation is the same: take the factors that encourage opportunity (access to education, jobs, health), subtract the factors that discourage it (dependents in a family, debts), and you reach your net opportunity. If white people on average have less drag and similar propulsion forces (typically, they have both less drag and more propulsion forces), then they have a greater net opportunity. This is the pedestal I'm speaking of.

From what I’ve seen, the common GOP stance is that opportunity is unencumbered by ‘drag’, and that they are thus promoting equal opportunity. I vehemently disagree.

I understand your theory and agree with it to an extent, but I’m not sure my question has been answered.  What steps do you suggest taking to remove the “pedestal”?  Are you suggesting putting more “drag” on white people or just boosting the propulsion of black?  I recognize the problem as you stated with the propulsion/drag analogy, but what specific change could equalize the privileges?  Remove debt burdens from deceased relatives?  
I’m not sure that true fairness is anything but a fairytale, but I’m all about finding ways of encouraging it.

I would never propose directly putting more drag on any life, but I believe this will incidentally occur (more on that below). I believe in boosting the propulsion of the black population of America, to counteract the drag they endure (for all intents and purposes, reducing drag or increasing propulsion should yield the same result of more equal opportunity). 

I don't know the steps, but I believe that conversations need to happen to formulate a plan to meet this holy grail of equal (hell, equal-ish would be an improvement) opportunity. As you mention, the removal of debt burdens from deceased relatives could be a good one, yes! 

As for my comment about incidentally producing drag, the unfortunate reality is that power is measured in dollars, and there's a finite amount of dollars earned within the country. If more is earned amongst America's black population, unless trade creates a surge of dollars flowing in, that finite amount of money earned will likely yield a lower-than-expected economic growth amongst the white population. Quite literally, to spend on opportunity for black persons seems likely to create an opportunity cost for white persons.

when you have asshats like that Bobby Heenan lookalike every Sunday on NFL broadcasts saying "no oppression in 100 years", we can't even get a consensus that there IS a problem in America, never mind coming up with a solution, and even less so of implementing it. 

RYME

I totally get that there is an oppression problem.
Pissing on the flag, and kneeling for the anthem is not going to advance the cause.
The discussion has been all about whether or not there should be kneeling or not.  Nobody's talking about how to deal with the oppression problem.

eddiec

RYME said:

I totally get that there is an oppression problem.
Pissing on the flag, and kneeling for the anthem is not going to advance the cause.
The discussion has been all about whether or not there should be kneeling or not.  Nobody's talking about how to deal with the oppression problem.

Neither have the athletes. They are doing it to raise awareness. That is being accomplished except by those who refuse to accept there is a race issue in the country.

HughFreakingDillon

RYME said:

I totally get that there is an oppression problem.
Pissing on the flag, and kneeling for the anthem is not going to advance the cause.
The discussion has been all about whether or not there should be kneeling or not.  Nobody's talking about how to deal with the oppression problem.

pissing on the flag? oh, how you do go on. 

dankind

I’ll do whatever the fuck I want with the flag. 

Piss on it, fly it above the front porch, diaper the kid, decorate the office, use it as a tablecloth, keep it folded as a remembrance of a family member or friend KIA, mop up the wet spot, pledge my grievance. 

Whatever that fuck I want.

“As long as I am free!”

dankind

http://coub.com/view/efw8g

PJ_Soul

Having rules about how someone treats a flag is pretty much the stupidest thing I've heard of. I can't believe so many people support that bullshit. It's so ridiculous. It makes me want to poop on and burn flags just out of spite.

benjs

RYME said:

I totally get that there is an oppression problem.
Pissing on the flag, and kneeling for the anthem is not going to advance the cause.
The discussion has been all about whether or not there should be kneeling or not.  Nobody's talking about how to deal with the oppression problem.

Most dissent from oppressed persons comes in the form of aggression or mockery aimed at oppressors. Kneeling while the National Anthem plays - a tradition paid for at the NFL by the military originally to increase recruitment for a war not wanted, needed, or justified - is hardly an offensive way to draw attention. 

Yet, as always, one side of the political spectrum sheds crocodile tears at the others' behaviour, rather than looking inwards and backwards to understand the rationale, justification, or emotionality contained.