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PP193448

Rgambs. It must be complete hell for you on Saturdays in the Fall living in Columbus with all those crazy Buckeye fans!!!
Go Buckeyes!!!

rgambs

PP193448 said:

Rgambs. It must be complete hell for you on Saturdays in the Fall living in Columbus with all those crazy Buckeye fans!!!
Go Buckeyes!!!

Oh it was, when I lived in Columbus. I didn't have disdain for sports until that period, I was even a Bengals fan before that!
It wasn't just Saturdays in the fall, the entire city lost it's mind from August through February.

Jason P

rgambs said:

PP193448 said:

Rgambs. It must be complete hell for you on Saturdays in the Fall living in Columbus with all those crazy Buckeye fans!!!
Go Buckeyes!!!

Oh it was, when I lived in Columbus. I didn't have disdain for sports until that period, I was even a Bengals fan before that!
It wasn't just Saturdays in the fall, the entire city lost it's mind from August through February.

So that's why you don't like sports! Now I get it. Ohio State fans were always the worst visiting fans. All the smugness of Notre Dame's fans combined with a large dose of assholes.

Go Beavers

Empty Glass said:

Is the term "white privilege" racist? If so, would "black privilege" be racist?

Is there a problem? Absolutely yes. But there are plenty of homeless whites. There are white dudes being shot by the police. Do they not have "white privilege"?

One solution may be to not put a color in front of everything (I'm sure in some minds makes me racist). How about we fix the issues?

The term white privilege is not racist, it's describing a condition that results from racism. In this case, benefits whites have, which means others lose out of the benefit we're gaining.

Minimizing racism may or may not be due to the individual's prejudice. It depends on their reasons for minimizing it. For some, it's just uncomfortable to look at.

Empty Glass

Go Beavers said:

Empty Glass said:

Is the term "white privilege" racist? If so, would "black privilege" be racist?

Is there a problem? Absolutely yes. But there are plenty of homeless whites. There are white dudes being shot by the police. Do they not have "white privilege"?

One solution may be to not put a color in front of everything (I'm sure in some minds makes me racist). How about we fix the issues?

The term white privilege is not racist, it's describing a condition that results from racism. In this case, benefits whites have, which means others lose out of the benefit we're gaining.

Minimizing racism may or may not be due to the individual's prejudice. It depends on their reasons for minimizing it. For some, it's just uncomfortable to look at.

Does an African-American co-worker of mine who has a college degree, lives in a pretty damn big house in the suburbs have white privilege? He seems to be benefiting quite well.

Go Beavers

No. a minority doing well doesn't have white privilege, it means the path to that point had more hurdles and barriers than a white person in the same situation.

Cliffy6745

Empty Glass said:

Go Beavers said:

Empty Glass said:

Is the term "white privilege" racist? If so, would "black privilege" be racist?

Is there a problem? Absolutely yes. But there are plenty of homeless whites. There are white dudes being shot by the police. Do they not have "white privilege"?

One solution may be to not put a color in front of everything (I'm sure in some minds makes me racist). How about we fix the issues?

The term white privilege is not racist, it's describing a condition that results from racism. In this case, benefits whites have, which means others lose out of the benefit we're gaining.

Minimizing racism may or may not be due to the individual's prejudice. It depends on their reasons for minimizing it. For some, it's just uncomfortable to look at.

Does an African-American co-worker of mine who has a college degree, lives in a pretty damn big house in the suburbs have white privilege? He seems to be benefiting quite well.

I don't know why I want to dive into this, but...

Are you really suggesting that white people in general aren't born with more opportunities before them?

Shit, I am a white, straight, Christian (I guess), male born into an upper middle class family. I was born on 3rd base, all I had to do was show up.

PP193448

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

Go Beavers

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

pjhawks

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

cottagesteeze

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

That's why they are stereotypes and generalizations. You cannot group EVERYONE into ANY category. You can't expect there to not be outliers.

eddiec

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

PJ_Soul

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Wow, well first you have no clue what his family history is. But also, white priviledge was way more of a thing in the old days in America than it is now, even for poor people. I think it's an absolute guarantee that anyone's white great grandparents had white priviledge.

Go Beavers

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Looks like you took it up a notch, and at the same time, reinforced what I said. I'm not shitting on their accomplishments, I'm stating a truth. My dad agrees with me. You bring up a good example of white privilege and the direct line of opportunity and wealth I can draw from my immigrant ancestors to myself. They came here in the mid 1800s, and because of the color of their skin, they were able to own land and start businesses, while blacks were still enslaved. I still benefit from this wealth and the opportunities it provided my anscestors along the way. They did do the work, and white privilege made it that much easier. Doors were opened to them that were closed to others.

pjhawks

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

Cliffy6745

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

Agreed. My wife comes from a blue collar neighborhood in Philly, her father died when she was 12 and her mother raised 3 kids on a shitty City Hall administrative salary. She clearly did not have the opportunities I had and we ended up in the same place. Both white. You're talking about celebrity kids talking about privilege? Sure, there are about 2 dozen of them...

That said, there are is a significantly more white folks who grew up with my circumstances than minorities, which is largely the point.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

Agreed. My wife comes from a blue collar neighborhood in Philly, her father died when she was 12 and her mother raised 3 kids on a shitty City Hall administrative salary. She clearly did not have the opportunities I had and we ended up in the same place. Both white. You're talking about celebrity kids talking about privilege? Sure, there are about 2 dozen of them...

That said, there are is a significantly more white folks who grew up with my circumstances than minorities, which is largely the point.

almost every ethnic group was once a minority here.

rgambs

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

Oh, so they lived their lives under Jim Crow?
Interesting.
I wouldn't have guessed your white grandparents were segregated, paid in scrip, not given due process, and denied the right to vote.
Go figure.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

What your ancestors did was obviously impressive and there are millions of similar stories, but there is no way you can convince me that the black folks who fought with your father in World War II had the same opportunities when they got home that your father did...

eddiec

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

Your Irish ancestors probably did face some discrimination but once the first generation was born and spoke without accents they were essentially white Americans. Do you think your Irish ancestors had the same difficulties as freed black slaves or their children in 1900?
Everybody can work hard, that's not the issue here. It's just that white people tend to get avenues opened up that are much more difficult for minorities.

Go Beavers

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

People get easily offended in these discussions because they think it's insulting their ancestors. Your parents got what what they got both from their hard work and their white privilege. The Irish were discriminated against, but being white, to a lesser degree over all when compared to racial minorities.

Empty Glass

Cliffy6745 said:

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

Agreed. My wife comes from a blue collar neighborhood in Philly, her father died when she was 12 and her mother raised 3 kids on a shitty City Hall administrative salary. She clearly did not have the opportunities I had and we ended up in the same place. Both white. You're talking about celebrity kids talking about privilege? Sure, there are about 2 dozen of them...

That said, there are is a significantly more white folks who grew up with my circumstances than minorities, which is largely the point.

There are significantly more whites in this country.

Listen, I'm not saying there aren't hurdles or whatever but we make it seem like the white baby born on the street to two crackheads is going to become CEO of a Fortune 500 company in 3 easy steps.

Cliffy6745

Empty Glass said:

Cliffy6745 said:

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

Agreed. My wife comes from a blue collar neighborhood in Philly, her father died when she was 12 and her mother raised 3 kids on a shitty City Hall administrative salary. She clearly did not have the opportunities I had and we ended up in the same place. Both white. You're talking about celebrity kids talking about privilege? Sure, there are about 2 dozen of them...

That said, there are is a significantly more white folks who grew up with my circumstances than minorities, which is largely the point.

There are significantly more whites in this country.

Listen, I'm not saying there aren't hurdles or whatever but we make it seem like the white baby born on the street to two crackheads is going to become CEO of a Fortune 500 company in 3 easy steps.

Then we can talk percentages, the point remains the same.

No one is saying anything of the sort...

pjhawks

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

People get easily offended in these discussions because they think it's insulting their ancestors. Your parents got what what they got both from their hard work and their white privilege. The Irish were discriminated against, but being white, to a lesser degree over all when compared to racial minorities.

oh so now it's degrees of discrimination? so some of it is/was ok? can you quantify what amount of it is ok so if i meet my grandparents somewhere in the after life i can tell them the discrimination they faced was ok because of your scale?

Go Beavers

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

People get easily offended in these discussions because they think it's insulting their ancestors. Your parents got what what they got both from their hard work and their white privilege. The Irish were discriminated against, but being white, to a lesser degree over all when compared to racial minorities.

oh so now it's degrees of discrimination? so some of it is/was ok? can you quantify what amount of it is ok so if i meet my grandparents somewhere in the after life i can tell them the discrimination they faced was ok because of your scale?

Of course there's going to be degrees of discrimination. Nowhere am I saying any of it's okay, I'm suggesting people not be in denial of white privilege. You're not insulting your family if you acknowledge it.

PP193448

Cliffy6745 said:

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

Agreed. My wife comes from a blue collar neighborhood in Philly, her father died when she was 12 and her mother raised 3 kids on a shitty City Hall administrative salary. She clearly did not have the opportunities I had and we ended up in the same place. Both white. You're talking about celebrity kids talking about privilege? Sure, there are about 2 dozen of them...

That said, there are is a significantly more white folks who grew up with my circumstances than minorities, which is largely the point.

Appreciate the response Cliffy. Wasn't really trying to pick on you directly. Guess I would have to agree with you to a degree +/-.

pjhawks

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

People get easily offended in these discussions because they think it's insulting their ancestors. Your parents got what what they got both from their hard work and their white privilege. The Irish were discriminated against, but being white, to a lesser degree over all when compared to racial minorities.

oh so now it's degrees of discrimination? so some of it is/was ok? can you quantify what amount of it is ok so if i meet my grandparents somewhere in the after life i can tell them the discrimination they faced was ok because of your scale?

Of course there's going to be degrees of discrimination. Nowhere am I saying any of it's okay, I'm suggesting people not be in denial of white privilege. You're not insulting your family if you acknowledge it.

so my grandparents were discriminated against but still benefited from white privilege? that is what you are saying. nah that's not insulting to them

Go Beavers

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

People get easily offended in these discussions because they think it's insulting their ancestors. Your parents got what what they got both from their hard work and their white privilege. The Irish were discriminated against, but being white, to a lesser degree over all when compared to racial minorities.

oh so now it's degrees of discrimination? so some of it is/was ok? can you quantify what amount of it is ok so if i meet my grandparents somewhere in the after life i can tell them the discrimination they faced was ok because of your scale?

Of course there's going to be degrees of discrimination. Nowhere am I saying any of it's okay, I'm suggesting people not be in denial of white privilege. You're not insulting your family if you acknowledge it.

so my grandparents were discriminated against but still benefited from white privilege? that is what you are saying. nah that's not insulting to them

What's insulting about it?

oftenreading

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

People get easily offended in these discussions because they think it's insulting their ancestors. Your parents got what what they got both from their hard work and their white privilege. The Irish were discriminated against, but being white, to a lesser degree over all when compared to racial minorities.

oh so now it's degrees of discrimination? so some of it is/was ok? can you quantify what amount of it is ok so if i meet my grandparents somewhere in the after life i can tell them the discrimination they faced was ok because of your scale?

Of course there's going to be degrees of discrimination. Nowhere am I saying any of it's okay, I'm suggesting people not be in denial of white privilege. You're not insulting your family if you acknowledge it.

so my grandparents were discriminated against but still benefited from white privilege? that is what you are saying. nah that's not insulting to them

I am betting that if you had been able to talk to your grandparents when they were young (obviously impossible) and asks them if they were treated differently than the black people in the community, they would have looked at you in a puzzled way and told you of course they were. That was plain to everyone, and accepted as the way it was and, in fact, the way it should be. From the big things down to the little things like drinking fountains and where you could sit in a restaurant, it was apparent that white people had more opportunity and choice.

brianlux

People of various races, creeds, colors etc. are discriminated against. Each situation deserves consideration. But this is a bout African Americans and the black community. No need to compare apples and oranges here. We'll get to talking about discrimination against Orange Hitlers elsewhere.