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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...

    if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
    It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    dignin said:

    Haha

    Brilliant
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,999
    oftenreading said:

    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...

    if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
    It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
    a bigger protest would be NOT playing on the National team, but that would actually entail making a personal sacrifice.
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,965
    edited September 2016
    It might be a big deal for the first game but then people would soon forget about it. Kneeling every game is much more of a significant and lasting protest.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...

    if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
    so ... standing for the anthem is what makes you an american? ... paying tribute to soldiers!? ... fighting for injustice is not being american?

    it's interesting that people think standing for an anthem ... an anthem that has the lines land of the free, home of the brave ... is more important than the inequalities and social injustices being done ...
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    pjhawks said:

    oftenreading said:

    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...

    if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
    It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
    a bigger protest would be NOT playing on the National team, but that would actually entail making a personal sacrifice.
    How do you protest if you don't show up? Who notices if you're not even there?

    She's already making a personal sacrifice. It entails dealing with the sort of crap being posted here.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,706
    Don't be symbol minded.
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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,464
    cp3iverson said:

    dignin said:

    Haha

    Brilliant
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  • HesCalledDyer
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    lukin2006 said:

    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...

    if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
    Exactly ...
    Who said she isn't supporting her country?
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,498
    polaris_x said:

    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...

    if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
    so ... standing for the anthem is what makes you an american? ... paying tribute to soldiers!? ... fighting for injustice is not being american?

    it's interesting that people think standing for an anthem ... an anthem that has the lines land of the free, home of the brave ... is more important than the inequalities and social injustices being done ...
    Bingo!
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,637
    oftenreading said:

    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...

    if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
    It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
    Engaging in conformist pre-game rituals is why veterans made all those sacrifices.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,347
    We're are not attending football games to delve into debates on social injustices. We are there to see skulls getting crushed!

    Torts gets it!
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,999
    for all those above you took offense to my comments on Rapinoe and the national team I re-post John Tortorella's comments regarding this issue. Torts is the coach of the US National Hockey team that begins play in the World Cup of Hockey tomorrow. Comments I agree 100% with but he just said it better.

    "Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.

    "It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,637
    edited September 2016
    pjhawks said:

    for all those above you took offense to my comments on Rapinoe and the national team I re-post John Tortorella's comments regarding this issue. Torts is the coach of the US National Hockey team that begins play in the World Cup of Hockey tomorrow. Comments I agree 100% with but he just said it better.

    "Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.

    "It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."

    So another offended white guy entitled to dictate what's acceptable protest? Sounds like he should go to his safe space. He actually may need that space after telling vets they fought for a song and a fabric symbol.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,706
    Why give your life for a symbol or a song? A loved one, yes. The planet, possibly. But for a symbol or a song? No. Would you?
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,498
    Jason P said:

    We're are not attending football games to delve into debates on social injustices. We are there to see skulls getting crushed!

    Torts gets it!

    Tortorella doesn't get shit. How he continues to have employment is beyond me.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    pjhawks said:

    for all those above you took offense to my comments on Rapinoe and the national team I re-post John Tortorella's comments regarding this issue. Torts is the coach of the US National Hockey team that begins play in the World Cup of Hockey tomorrow. Comments I agree 100% with but he just said it better.

    "Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.

    "It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."

    If any of those service men and women actually gave their lives for a piece of fabric or a song, they were sadly misled. I am guessing, though, that if you could ask them that would not be the answer that they would give.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Geezuz people.

    Nobody serves a 'piece of cloth'.

    The flag represents the entire spectrum of the country's history and to some degree hope for the future. Of course there are periods of shame and current struggles, but every country is still working on getting it right. Look at the discussions on these forums.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,706
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Geezuz people.

    Nobody serves a 'piece of cloth'.

    The flag represents the entire spectrum of the country's history and to some degree hope for the future. Of course there are periods of shame and current struggles, but every country is still working on getting it right. Look at the discussions on these forums.

    I suppose very view have actually served or died for a piece of cloth or a song but from at the very most WWII on, how many North Americans (among others) who fought and died, did so for a justifiable cause? In Korea? Vietnam? Iraq and the middle east? How many of the millions were worth losing, really?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Don't get me wrong: I'm not a fan of war.

    Among many things... I'm a fan of respect though.
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