Kaepernick

pjhawks

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

Man, he is really going to alienate all those black players...

Cliffy6745

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17485819/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-donate-jersey-sales-proceeds

lukin2006

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

Man, he is really going to alienate all those black players...

Lol

dmaradona10

There's plenty of places people can go if they don't like the U.S. free market system. If you don't like greed, guns and free expression then maybe this isn't the place for you. China, Cuba, North Korea are all Socialistic countries that you can go to; instead of attempting to change America into one, just move there.

HesCalledDyer

dmaradona10 said:

There's plenty of placing people can go if they don't like the U.S. free market system. If you don't like greed, guns and free expression then maybe this isn't the place for you. China, Cuba, North Korea are all Socialistic countries that you can go to; instead of attempting to change America into one, just move there.

YEEHAW!!

brianlux

dmaradona10 said:

There's plenty of placing people can go if they don't like the U.S. free market system. If you don't like greed, guns and free .expression then maybe this isn't the place for you. China, Cuba, North Korea are all Socialistic countries that you can go to; instead of attempting to change America into one, just move there.

From the frying pan into the fire? Or even the the other way around, I'll pass.

brianlux

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

lukin2006

Jim Harbaugh clears up his message about Colin Kaepernick

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/08/30/jim-harbaugh-clears-up-his-message-about-colin-kaepernick/

pjhawks

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.

If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.

HesCalledDyer

I wanna know who the fuck picked Torts to lead our country's team? That's a bigger crime than someone sitting for the anthem. What a complete fucktard. (Disclaimer: Opinion is based solely on previous coaching experiences and personal actions, and is completely independent of his statement about players sitting.)

Jason P

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjdwAbBa5c

pjhawks

Jason P said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjdwAbBa5c

mickeyrat

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.

If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.

question, have any players currently on the team or those who may be considered to be chosen , made a statement suggesting they would sit?

Cliffy6745

mickeyrat said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.

If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.

question, have any players currently on the team or those who may be considered to be chosen , made a statement suggesting they would sit?

Exactly, a hypothetical question to a hypothetical situation that would probably never happen considering there is one black dude on the team. I guess the more troubling question is whether that is a public threat to a single player on the team?

brianlux

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.

If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.

I didn't notice the international aspect. Still, it's sports. I don't see the connection between sports and state. They're two different things.

lukin2006

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.

If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.

I didn't notice the international aspect. Still, it's sports. I don't see the connection between sports and state. They're two different things.

I think it's fair to expect an athlete who plays for his or her country at international competitions to stand for the national anthem ...

Free

lukin2006 said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.

If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.

I didn't notice the international aspect. Still, it's sports. I don't see the connection between sports and state. They're two different things.

I think it's fair to expect an athlete who plays for his or her country at international competitions to stand for the national anthem ...

...unless he's black and speaking out against the immense oppression of what being black in America means. He has every right.

Cliffy6745

lukin2006 said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

pjhawks said:

team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.

http://www.aol.com/article/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-you-sit-through-the-national-anthem-you/21467172/

It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?

yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.

If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.

I didn't notice the international aspect. Still, it's sports. I don't see the connection between sports and state. They're two different things.

I think it's fair to expect an athlete who plays for his or her country at international competitions to stand for the national anthem ...

I don't disagree.

brianlux

I'll tell you one thing, if I had an ounce of American Indian blood in my veins, no way would I stand for the anthem. Drum circle, yes! Neil Young and Crazy Horse, sure! Anthem, no way!