I just can't believe people give a fuck what a back up qb on a horrible team does.
He's got the right to do that. People have the right to be pjssed. Not really too much to discuss. I think Colin was a bit surprised by how his actions were perceived by the public. It came off as anti-military. I know that's not what he meant, but many people are seeing it that way. I think it may be best for him to stay in the locker room I during the national anthem. Let's be honest, is him sitting during the anthem really going to bring one ounce of awareness to black lives?
That's just because your typical American idiot is so indoctrinated in faux patriotism they can't distinguish symbols from soldiers.
Agreed. I think this controversy is ridiculous. It's amazing to me how un-American some Americans who consider themselves patriots can be. And I'm not talking about Kaepernick. To me, it seems like most people who like to spout off about American patriotism are actually the least patriotic people on the face of the planet.
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I just can't believe people give a fuck what a back up qb on a horrible team does.
He's got the right to do that. People have the right to be pjssed. Not really too much to discuss. I think Colin was a bit surprised by how his actions were perceived by the public. It came off as anti-military. I know that's not what he meant, but many people are seeing it that way. I think it may be best for him to stay in the locker room I during the national anthem. Let's be honest, is him sitting during the anthem really going to bring one ounce of awareness to black lives?
That's just because your typical American idiot is so indoctrinated in faux patriotism they can't distinguish symbols from soldiers.
Agreed. I think this controversy is ridiculous. It's amazing to me how un-American some Americans who consider themselves patriots can be. And I'm not talking about Kaepernick. To me, it seems like most people who like to spout off about American patriotism are actually the least patriotic people on the face of the planet.
Yes and yes. Totally agree.
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
In these current days of social media and "me, me, me ,me" attitude, yes I do believe these idiots would have the cowardice to rip up American flags from a 9/11 memorial. It's not that far-fetched. People do worse shit on a daily basis.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
The funny thing about this whole situation is the pro-Kaepernick's people get all up in arms when someone disagrees with it. Trent Dilfer is getting killed because he said that it's a distraction to the team. It's pretty simple...Kaepernick has the right to protest and people have the right to not like it.
Also, could ESPN have been any more excited about the anthem last night??? I get that it's a story but jesus christ, they need to take it down a notch.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
Aside from the fact that Kaepernick hasn't disrespected anyone. If people are upset, that's their own problem. He has very clearly stated why he is doing it and there is absolutely zero disrespect in any of it. Why would anyone take a thought out position and peaceful and silent protest as a motivation to vandalize anything?
People are going to be butt hurt at any type of protest. That's kind of the point of a protest.
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
In what way did Kaepernick engage in vandalism?
No, seriously, you keep trying to tie these two disparate issues together. That just doesn't hold up.
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
In what way did Kaepernick engage in vandalism?
No, seriously, you keep trying to tie these two disparate issues together. That just doesn't hold up.
Things are connected. It's not just lightning in a bottle. It's not Kapernick's fault for other events happening but his actions may have contributed to it.
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
In what way did Kaepernick engage in vandalism?
No, seriously, you keep trying to tie these two disparate issues together. That just doesn't hold up.
Things are connected. It's not just lightning in a bottle. It's not Kapernick's fault for other events happening but his actions may have contributed to it.
Things are connected, sure. Eddie Vedder is probably the cousin of mine 12 times removed. I think I'll call him up and have him over for a beer or two tonight.
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I support his right to do as he chooses during the national anthem ... free country.
But protesting yesterday 15 years after 911, on the weekend when the NFL would obviously be commemorating that day was a punk ass move. Any other day no problem. Certain events in our history need to be respected and 911 is one of those. Maybe they should just remove the national anthem from the opening ceremonies at all sporting events.
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
In what way did Kaepernick engage in vandalism?
No, seriously, you keep trying to tie these two disparate issues together. That just doesn't hold up.
Things are connected. It's not just lightning in a bottle. It's not Kapernick's fault for other events happening but his actions may have contributed to it.
One black person is upset about race issues in the US and engages in a peaceful protest on a national scale
Other black people are upset about race issues in the US and engage in awful behavior because they are idiots
These things are connected issues, but not connected protests...
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
Aside from the fact that Kaepernick hasn't disrespected anyone. If people are upset, that's their own problem. He has very clearly stated why he is doing it and there is absolutely zero disrespect in any of it. Why would anyone take a thought out position and peaceful and silent protest as a motivation to vandalize anything?
People are going to be butt hurt at any type of protest. That's kind of the point of a protest.
seems like some people are butt hurt by my thoughts on Kaepernick.
most protests are meaningless attention grabbing does nothing to help the problem except get people on tv deals. let's see what all these NFL players actually do to help the issue. call me in a year and show me one thing any of these guys have done to help the problem. my guess is it will be very little to none.
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I support his right to do as he chooses during the national anthem ... free country.
But protesting yesterday 15 years after 911, on the weekend when the NFL would obviously be commemorating that day was a punk ass move. Any other day no problem. Certain events in our history need to be respected and 911 is one of those. Maybe they should just remove the national anthem from the opening ceremonies at all sporting events.
Kaepernick protested on 9/11? News to me.
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why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
Aside from the fact that Kaepernick hasn't disrespected anyone. If people are upset, that's their own problem. He has very clearly stated why he is doing it and there is absolutely zero disrespect in any of it. Why would anyone take a thought out position and peaceful and silent protest as a motivation to vandalize anything?
People are going to be butt hurt at any type of protest. That's kind of the point of a protest.
seems like some people are butt hurt by my thoughts on Kaepernick.
most protests are meaningless attention grabbing does nothing to help the problem except get people on tv deals. let's see what all these NFL players actually do to help the issue. call me in a year and show me one thing any of these guys have done to help the problem. my guess is it will be very little to none.
Aside from the fact that Kaepernick has already pledged a million dollars?
In what why do I seem butt hurt? Because I disagree with you? Grow up dude...
I support his right to do as he chooses during the national anthem ... free country.
But protesting yesterday 15 years after 911, on the weekend when the NFL would obviously be commemorating that day was a punk ass move. Any other day no problem. Certain events in our history need to be respected and 911 is one of those. Maybe they should just remove the national anthem from the opening ceremonies at all sporting events.
Kaepernick protested on 9/11? News to me.
no but only because they played on 9/12 and not 9/11. he did kneel as they did a 9/11 tribute for the Anthem before the game last night though. some other players on other teams did kneel on 9/11.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
Why would you make such a connection? Are you sure your gut isn't just itching to stir things up here?
do you believe that these idiots would have had the balls to rip up and take out almost 3000 American flags from a 9/11 Memorial without Kaepernick having started his protest a few weeks ago? no way. if they did this without what Kaepernick started there would be no one defending their actions. no doubt in my mind it's an offshoot of it.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
Well, yes, probably but Come on man. Personal responsibility. Grow up and hold the actual people responsible for their actions rather than creating a scapegoat. You're fucking grasping at straws hard here...
a direct quote, albeit a very short passage from a very long original message, from the group that did this. so uhh yea...no straws
"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Got it...so it's not actually the fault/responsibility of the people who carry out the act, it's the fault/responsibility of someone they have never met, spoken to or have anything remotely associated or to do with aside from a sentence they wrote...
oh no those aholes should be prosecuted for the vandalism but to say they weren't inspired by what kaepernick started is just foolish. kaepernick opened this can of worms and now idiots are running with it. not sure how you can deny that.
Kaepernick opened a can of worms that this country has racial issues? I had never heard of this issue before him.
no he opened the can of worms of idiots doing meaningless 'look at me' protests that does absolutely nothing to help the problem. do you really think disrespecting others and/or vandalism is a way to achieve a goal?
Aside from the fact that Kaepernick hasn't disrespected anyone. If people are upset, that's their own problem. He has very clearly stated why he is doing it and there is absolutely zero disrespect in any of it. Why would anyone take a thought out position and peaceful and silent protest as a motivation to vandalize anything?
People are going to be butt hurt at any type of protest. That's kind of the point of a protest.
seems like some people are butt hurt by my thoughts on Kaepernick.
most protests are meaningless attention grabbing does nothing to help the problem except get people on tv deals. let's see what all these NFL players actually do to help the issue. call me in a year and show me one thing any of these guys have done to help the problem. my guess is it will be very little to none.
Aside from the fact that Kaepernick has already pledged a million dollars?
In what why do I seem butt hurt? Because I disagree with you? Grow up dude...
anyone can pledge (like Trump did with veterans groups). let's see the check when it clears. again let's see what has been done in about a year from now.
lighten up Cliffy. it was sarcasm on the butt hurt comment. i guess it didn't come across that way.
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I think this controversy is ridiculous. It's amazing to me how un-American some Americans who consider themselves patriots can be. And I'm not talking about Kaepernick. To me, it seems like most people who like to spout off about American patriotism are actually the least patriotic people on the face of the planet.
edit: and i don't come to stir things up. that's not something i do. i offer my opinions and if someone wants to disagree that is their prerogative. i happen to have a very strong opinion on what happened at the college 9/11 Memorial. i find their actions utterly deplorable and disgusting.
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"Historically, the American flag and subsequent American nationalist symbols, have been polarizing and marginalizing to people of color living within the United States. This has been most recently exemplified in Colin Kaepernick's protest of the American national anthem."
Also, could ESPN have been any more excited about the anthem last night??? I get that it's a story but jesus christ, they need to take it down a notch.
Adam Jones on MLB's Orioles lack of Kaepernick protest, *baseball is a white man's sport*.
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People are going to be butt hurt at any type of protest. That's kind of the point of a protest.
No, seriously, you keep trying to tie these two disparate issues together. That just doesn't hold up.
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But protesting yesterday 15 years after 911, on the weekend when the NFL would obviously be commemorating that day was a punk ass move. Any other day no problem. Certain events in our history need to be respected and 911 is one of those. Maybe they should just remove the national anthem from the opening ceremonies at all sporting events.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Other black people are upset about race issues in the US and engage in awful behavior because they are idiots
These things are connected issues, but not connected protests...
most protests are meaningless attention grabbing does nothing to help the problem except get people on tv deals. let's see what all these NFL players actually do to help the issue. call me in a year and show me one thing any of these guys have done to help the problem. my guess is it will be very little to none.
In what why do I seem butt hurt? Because I disagree with you? Grow up dude...
lighten up Cliffy. it was sarcasm on the butt hurt comment. i guess it didn't come across that way.