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team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.
It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?
yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.
If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.
I didn't notice the international aspect. Still, it's sports. I don't see the connection between sports and state. They're two different things.
I think it's fair to expect an athlete who plays for his or her country at international competitions to stand for the national anthem ...
...unless he's black and speaking out against the immense oppression of what being black in America means. He has every right.
I'm conflicted on this. they are a representative of the nation they are protesting against. isn't that a tad hypocritical? at least kaepernick has no national ties during his protest.
team USA hockey coach John Tortorella says if any players sit during National Anthem during World Cup of Hockey they will sit for rest of game. Torts' son is an Army Ranger. Not a fan of Tortorella in general but i agree with his stance here.
It's ok for you to express an opinion but not the players? Isn't that a double standard?
yes it's ok for me to express and not the players in this case. i was not chosen to represent my country in an international competition as they are. They are wearing USA on the front of their jerseys. if i was chosen as a representative of this country, no matter what beefs i might have with it, i should stand for that Anthem and Flag in my opinion. in this case if the players want to support the Anthem then don't represent the country in this competition. I don't think for this competition it would be right to wear the USA name but disrespect the Anthem.
If the same players want to not stand for it when playing for their regular NHL teams, while i disagree with it, they should be free to do it. i would find it disrespectful as I do Kaepernick doing it, but wouldn't deny them doing it.
I didn't notice the international aspect. Still, it's sports. I don't see the connection between sports and state. They're two different things.
I think it's fair to expect an athlete who plays for his or her country at international competitions to stand for the national anthem ...
...unless he's black and speaking out against the immense oppression of what being black in America means. He has every right.
Then I would want to know why if feels badly about his country, so badly that you choose not to stand for the national anthem but you want to represent your country internationally....you can't have it both ways.
You know what I find disrespectful to our nation? All these fuckers running around like a bunch of dumb hicks shouting "'Merica" every chance they get. Talk about a buzz word I cannot fucking stand. 'Merica. First of all, it starts with an A, not an apostrophe-M. Second of all, there are two American continents, North and South, of which 35 countries belong. You don't hear Peruvians, Argentinians, Canadiens, or Guatemalans shouting "Merica" like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.
You know what I find disrespectful to our nation? All these fuckers running around like a bunch of dumb hicks shouting "'Merica" every chance they get. Talk about a buzz word I cannot fucking stand. 'Merica. First of all, it starts with an A, not an apostrophe-M. Second of all, there are two American continents, North and South, of which 35 countries belong. You don't hear Peruvians, Argentinians, Canadiens, or Guatemalans shouting "Merica" like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.
I always found it interesting how the US adopted the word america into their own name, like they are the only one. Basically, I live in the United Provinces of America.
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You know what I find disrespectful to our nation? All these fuckers running around like a bunch of dumb hicks shouting "'Merica" every chance they get. Talk about a buzz word I cannot fucking stand. 'Merica. First of all, it starts with an A, not an apostrophe-M. Second of all, there are two American continents, North and South, of which 35 countries belong. You don't hear Peruvians, Argentinians, Canadiens, or Guatemalans shouting "Merica" like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.
I always found it interesting how the US adopted the word america into their own name, like they are the only one. Basically, I live in the United Provinces of America.
true but Oh Canada is easier to sing. the other way is rather clunky, dont cha think?
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You know what I find disrespectful to our nation? All these fuckers running around like a bunch of dumb hicks shouting "'Merica" every chance they get. Talk about a buzz word I cannot fucking stand. 'Merica. First of all, it starts with an A, not an apostrophe-M. Second of all, there are two American continents, North and South, of which 35 countries belong. You don't hear Peruvians, Argentinians, Canadiens, or Guatemalans shouting "Merica" like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.
Second only in obnoxious to chanting U.S.A. It's as though the world is a football or soccer match. Sometimes I so get why a close friend of mine wants to move to Brazil. Hopefully down there they don't chant, "Bra-zil, Bra-zil, Bra-zil".
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
You know what I find disrespectful to our nation? All these fuckers running around like a bunch of dumb hicks shouting "'Merica" every chance they get. Talk about a buzz word I cannot fucking stand. 'Merica. First of all, it starts with an A, not an apostrophe-M. Second of all, there are two American continents, North and South, of which 35 countries belong. You don't hear Peruvians, Argentinians, Canadiens, or Guatemalans shouting "Merica" like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.
Second only in obnoxious to chanting U.S.A. It's as though the world is a football or soccer match. Sometimes I so get why a close friend of mine wants to move to Brazil. Hopefully down there they don't chant, "Bra-zil, Bra-zil, Bra-zil".
They have different ways of expressing their loyalties in Brazil at sporting events ...
You know what I find disrespectful to our nation? All these fuckers running around like a bunch of dumb hicks shouting "'Merica" every chance they get. Talk about a buzz word I cannot fucking stand. 'Merica. First of all, it starts with an A, not an apostrophe-M. Second of all, there are two American continents, North and South, of which 35 countries belong. You don't hear Peruvians, Argentinians, Canadiens, or Guatemalans shouting "Merica" like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.
Second only in obnoxious to chanting U.S.A. It's as though the world is a football or soccer match. Sometimes I so get why a close friend of mine wants to move to Brazil. Hopefully down there they don't chant, "Bra-zil, Bra-zil, Bra-zil".
They have different ways of expressing their loyalties in Brazil at sporting events ...
and they have shit in their water...
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You know what I find disrespectful to our nation? All these fuckers running around like a bunch of dumb hicks shouting "'Merica" every chance they get. Talk about a buzz word I cannot fucking stand. 'Merica. First of all, it starts with an A, not an apostrophe-M. Second of all, there are two American continents, North and South, of which 35 countries belong. You don't hear Peruvians, Argentinians, Canadiens, or Guatemalans shouting "Merica" like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.
Second only in obnoxious to chanting U.S.A. It's as though the world is a football or soccer match. Sometimes I so get why a close friend of mine wants to move to Brazil. Hopefully down there they don't chant, "Bra-zil, Bra-zil, Bra-zil".
They have different ways of expressing their loyalties in Brazil at sporting events ...
Sure that's not just a combination soccer game/ puck concert mosh-pit-in-the-stands?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
So does CK sit tomorrow? 911? I think if he sits tomorrow then he's a punk who should be run out of the league...any other game fine, but not tomorrow...so many people from so many different backgrounds perished that day...so we'll see if.
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So does CK sit tomorrow? 911? I think if he sits tomorrow then he's a punk who should be run out of the league...any other game fine, but not tomorrow...so many people from so many different backgrounds perished that day...so we'll see if.
If he is protesting against police brutality, whigh he is, why should he stand and honor all of the police who died that day?
If we are going to equate the anthem with patriotism on 9/11, he would have to honor the military personnel who died at the Pentagon that day. We were not at war with anyone on the morning of 9/11. He can either stand and honor them, or kneel and pray and honor them. Whatever he does is not for us to decide nor judge.
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So does CK sit tomorrow? 911? I think if he sits tomorrow then he's a punk who should be run out of the league...any other game fine, but not tomorrow...so many people from so many different backgrounds perished that day...so we'll see if.
If he is protesting against police brutality, whigh he is, why should he stand and honor all of the police who died that day?
If we are going to equate the anthem with patriotism on 9/11, he would have to honor the military personnel who died at the Pentagon that day. We were not at war with anyone on the morning of 9/11. He can either stand and honor them, or kneel and pray and honor them. Whatever he does is not for us to decide nor judge.
Because obviously many other non police perished that day. But in defence of the police that day, they were running towards the World Trade Center as all first responders were, while most everyone else were running away from the building...
Certain days deserve more respect than other days, d-day, pearl harbour, 911 and I'm sure others...
Most Sundays I say feel free to sit or go shit on the flag if he chooses...
I just realized that 911 was on a Sunday at the start of the NFL season, so this is the first I gave thought to signicant days...
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9-11 being such a solemn day then why the fuck is the NFL even having games? Whats that? To make a shit load of money? Oh yeah , thats right.
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because religion and because it's about showing respect to real living people who either perished, suffered loss or are still suffering. It's not about the invisible man in the sky...not sure how religion got in this.
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if the nfl and every team as well as the networks donated the profit from this game day , that would be one thing
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because religion and because it's about showing respect to real living people who either perished, suffered loss or are still suffering. It's not about the invisible man in the sky...not sure how religion got in this.
Have you ever taken a sports sociology course? To many people in the world, sport is religion.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
Forget games on 9/11. Why are their games on the sabbath, and why are there no official public prayers before or after the games?
They do pray before professional games. At least in OKC for NBA games. Right before the anthem. No one ever complained. New Orleans did it for ten years before that. Not sure if the Pelicans still do but the Thunder definitey still do
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Forget games on 9/11. Why are their games on the sabbath, and why are there no official public prayers before or after the games?
They do pray before professional games. At least in OKC for NBA games. Right before the anthem. No one ever complained. New Orleans did it for ten years before that. Not sure if the Pelicans still do but the Thunder definitey still do
invocation , televised, before every nascar race too.
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The ritual should match the game.
Football is a form of war (according to Carlin anyway) so maybe cannons and loud and aggressive chanting.
Basketball would definitely need to have a horn section involved.
A soccer match might be preceded by ritualistic chanting while letting a bunch of birds loose.
Boxing already has the barkers.
The Olympics would start with the ritualistic lighting of the flame only with a volunteer from the last country with the most medals tied to the pyre.
Golf tournaments would need to start with random exchanges of car keys. That would provide the most exciting part of the event.
And baseball, oh baseball. Isn't the throwing out of the first pitch kind of a cool religious experience already? Oh well, everybody had a little pre-game smoke or that first beer anyway and the sun is out so fuck it, Play ball!!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
because religion and because it's about showing respect to real living people who either perished, suffered loss or are still suffering. It's not about the invisible man in the sky...not sure how religion got in this.
in my opinion, sports and current events have zero to do with each other. this goes back to why the national anthem is even sung/listened to at sports events except at interrnational events. it's bizarre.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
why does my gut tell me this behavior is tied to Kaepernick and others stance on the anthem and flag? i hope the ones that did this get tossed out of school when they are caught.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
If we are going to equate the anthem with patriotism on 9/11, he would have to honor the military personnel who died at the Pentagon that day. We were not at war with anyone on the morning of 9/11. He can either stand and honor them, or kneel and pray and honor them. Whatever he does is not for us to decide nor judge.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Certain days deserve more respect than other days, d-day, pearl harbour, 911 and I'm sure others...
Most Sundays I say feel free to sit or go shit on the flag if he chooses...
I just realized that 911 was on a Sunday at the start of the NFL season, so this is the first I gave thought to signicant days...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Besides, 911 is a separate subject. We probably talk about that elsewhere later today.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Football is a form of war (according to Carlin anyway) so maybe cannons and loud and aggressive chanting.
Basketball would definitely need to have a horn section involved.
A soccer match might be preceded by ritualistic chanting while letting a bunch of birds loose.
Boxing already has the barkers.
The Olympics would start with the ritualistic lighting of the flame only with a volunteer from the last country with the most medals tied to the pyre.
Golf tournaments would need to start with random exchanges of car keys. That would provide the most exciting part of the event.
And baseball, oh baseball. Isn't the throwing out of the first pitch kind of a cool religious experience already? Oh well, everybody had a little pre-game smoke or that first beer anyway and the sun is out so fuck it, Play ball!!
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