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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    pjhawks said:

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    Empty Glass said:


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/


    Has anyone put a number on the number of bad policemen we have? 95% of them? 75%? Maybe less than 10%...

    He's an idiot.

    Don't be surprised though. I'm not sure who follows the NFL and who doesn't around here, but I can tell you that even before this incident... Kap was one of the least liked players in the NFL by other players.

    Among many things, after throwing an interception, he called Lamarr Houston a n***er on the field. Sooo... yah... it's kind of ironic that he resorts to offensive and racist language when angry on the football field... yet the champion for the cause near the height of social awareness.

    It's tough for me to reconcile his history with his newfound moral high ground.
    you can be passionate about something and still have been a dick in the past. they are not mutually exclusive. we all have said shit we aren't proud of. his is just broadcast on national tv. mine and yours are not.
    If you were eager to give the guy credit... you could believe whatever you wish about the guy.
    eager to give the guy credit? I'm not even sure what that means.
    Seriously?

    I meant if you really wanted to believe he genuinely feels for the movement to such a degree that he would shit on everything the national anthem might mean... you could believe his actions were altruistic.

    Knowing only what I have come to know of the guy... it seems more contrived and self serving.

    Others have said the same thing in this thread.
    your second paragraph is key: you don't know him. you know him from how he acts at work and how is he portrayed in the media. which is about 5%, if that, of a person's actual character. I have worked with a lot of people in my life. over the years, I have worked with some of my best friends. a few have been absolutely abhorent to work with. that means nothing in the grand scheme.

    and national anthems DON'T mean anything. it's pledging allegiance to your government. nothing more.
    to you they don't but maybe to others they do? it does mean something to me for my own personal reasons.
    yes, and he's being judged based on how OTHERS feel about something, not how HE feels about it.
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  • pjhawks
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    pjhawks said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Empty Glass said:


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/


    Has anyone put a number on the number of bad policemen we have? 95% of them? 75%? Maybe less than 10%...

    He's an idiot.

    Don't be surprised though. I'm not sure who follows the NFL and who doesn't around here, but I can tell you that even before this incident... Kap was one of the least liked players in the NFL by other players.

    Among many things, after throwing an interception, he called Lamarr Houston a n***er on the field. Sooo... yah... it's kind of ironic that he resorts to offensive and racist language when angry on the football field... yet the champion for the cause near the height of social awareness.

    It's tough for me to reconcile his history with his newfound moral high ground.
    you can be passionate about something and still have been a dick in the past. they are not mutually exclusive. we all have said shit we aren't proud of. his is just broadcast on national tv. mine and yours are not.
    If you were eager to give the guy credit... you could believe whatever you wish about the guy.
    eager to give the guy credit? I'm not even sure what that means.
    Seriously?

    I meant if you really wanted to believe he genuinely feels for the movement to such a degree that he would shit on everything the national anthem might mean... you could believe his actions were altruistic.

    Knowing only what I have come to know of the guy... it seems more contrived and self serving.

    Others have said the same thing in this thread.
    your second paragraph is key: you don't know him. you know him from how he acts at work and how is he portrayed in the media. which is about 5%, if that, of a person's actual character. I have worked with a lot of people in my life. over the years, I have worked with some of my best friends. a few have been absolutely abhorent to work with. that means nothing in the grand scheme.

    and national anthems DON'T mean anything. it's pledging allegiance to your government. nothing more.
    to you they don't but maybe to others they do? it does mean something to me for my own personal reasons.
    yes, and he's being judged based on how OTHERS feel about something, not how HE feels about it.
    of course, isn't that what everything is judged on though? i mean i hate cats but if i took a public stand against cats i would be getting blasted based on how OTHERS feel about cats not how i feel about them.

    maybe i'm wrong but i don't see a lot of people questioning Kaepernick's message as much as the action he chose to promote his message.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    edited September 2016
    pjhawks said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Empty Glass said:


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/


    Has anyone put a number on the number of bad policemen we have? 95% of them? 75%? Maybe less than 10%...

    He's an idiot.

    Don't be surprised though. I'm not sure who follows the NFL and who doesn't around here, but I can tell you that even before this incident... Kap was one of the least liked players in the NFL by other players.

    Among many things, after throwing an interception, he called Lamarr Houston a n***er on the field. Sooo... yah... it's kind of ironic that he resorts to offensive and racist language when angry on the football field... yet the champion for the cause near the height of social awareness.

    It's tough for me to reconcile his history with his newfound moral high ground.
    you can be passionate about something and still have been a dick in the past. they are not mutually exclusive. we all have said shit we aren't proud of. his is just broadcast on national tv. mine and yours are not.
    If you were eager to give the guy credit... you could believe whatever you wish about the guy.
    eager to give the guy credit? I'm not even sure what that means.
    Seriously?

    I meant if you really wanted to believe he genuinely feels for the movement to such a degree that he would shit on everything the national anthem might mean... you could believe his actions were altruistic.

    Knowing only what I have come to know of the guy... it seems more contrived and self serving.

    Others have said the same thing in this thread.
    your second paragraph is key: you don't know him. you know him from how he acts at work and how is he portrayed in the media. which is about 5%, if that, of a person's actual character. I have worked with a lot of people in my life. over the years, I have worked with some of my best friends. a few have been absolutely abhorent to work with. that means nothing in the grand scheme.

    and national anthems DON'T mean anything. it's pledging allegiance to your government. nothing more.
    to you they don't but maybe to others they do? it does mean something to me for my own personal reasons.
    I think this is a pretty interesting point. Really the only point. To you, the national anthem represents soliders past and present who have sacrificed for their country and that standing at attention for the national anthem is a sign of respect for them. Especially since you consider the fact that you are attending a sporting event as a freedom they are defending

    But as mentioned, it means different things to different people. So to Kaepernick, it may represent a salute or homage to a country that he feels is not properly representing or treating a group of people that he associates himself with and therefore does not want to pay that homage at the current time.

    So if it means something to you for your personal reasons, it doesn't mean the same thing for everyone and they are not disrespecting the reason that you personally feel it is important to stand.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    pjhawks said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    pjhawks said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Empty Glass said:


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/


    Has anyone put a number on the number of bad policemen we have? 95% of them? 75%? Maybe less than 10%...

    He's an idiot.

    Don't be surprised though. I'm not sure who follows the NFL and who doesn't around here, but I can tell you that even before this incident... Kap was one of the least liked players in the NFL by other players.

    Among many things, after throwing an interception, he called Lamarr Houston a n***er on the field. Sooo... yah... it's kind of ironic that he resorts to offensive and racist language when angry on the football field... yet the champion for the cause near the height of social awareness.

    It's tough for me to reconcile his history with his newfound moral high ground.
    you can be passionate about something and still have been a dick in the past. they are not mutually exclusive. we all have said shit we aren't proud of. his is just broadcast on national tv. mine and yours are not.
    If you were eager to give the guy credit... you could believe whatever you wish about the guy.
    eager to give the guy credit? I'm not even sure what that means.
    Seriously?

    I meant if you really wanted to believe he genuinely feels for the movement to such a degree that he would shit on everything the national anthem might mean... you could believe his actions were altruistic.

    Knowing only what I have come to know of the guy... it seems more contrived and self serving.

    Others have said the same thing in this thread.
    your second paragraph is key: you don't know him. you know him from how he acts at work and how is he portrayed in the media. which is about 5%, if that, of a person's actual character. I have worked with a lot of people in my life. over the years, I have worked with some of my best friends. a few have been absolutely abhorent to work with. that means nothing in the grand scheme.

    and national anthems DON'T mean anything. it's pledging allegiance to your government. nothing more.
    to you they don't but maybe to others they do? it does mean something to me for my own personal reasons.
    yes, and he's being judged based on how OTHERS feel about something, not how HE feels about it.
    of course, isn't that what everything is judged on though? i mean i hate cats but if i took a public stand against cats i would be getting blasted based on how OTHERS feel about cats not how i feel about them.

    maybe i'm wrong but i don't see a lot of people questioning Kaepernick's message as much as the action he chose to promote his message.
    I hate cats and I take a very public stance against them. I am happy to be the leader of this club
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Cliffy6745 said:

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    pjhawks said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    pjhawks said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Empty Glass said:


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/


    Has anyone put a number on the number of bad policemen we have? 95% of them? 75%? Maybe less than 10%...

    He's an idiot.

    Don't be surprised though. I'm not sure who follows the NFL and who doesn't around here, but I can tell you that even before this incident... Kap was one of the least liked players in the NFL by other players.

    Among many things, after throwing an interception, he called Lamarr Houston a n***er on the field. Sooo... yah... it's kind of ironic that he resorts to offensive and racist language when angry on the football field... yet the champion for the cause near the height of social awareness.

    It's tough for me to reconcile his history with his newfound moral high ground.
    you can be passionate about something and still have been a dick in the past. they are not mutually exclusive. we all have said shit we aren't proud of. his is just broadcast on national tv. mine and yours are not.
    If you were eager to give the guy credit... you could believe whatever you wish about the guy.
    eager to give the guy credit? I'm not even sure what that means.
    Seriously?

    I meant if you really wanted to believe he genuinely feels for the movement to such a degree that he would shit on everything the national anthem might mean... you could believe his actions were altruistic.

    Knowing only what I have come to know of the guy... it seems more contrived and self serving.

    Others have said the same thing in this thread.
    your second paragraph is key: you don't know him. you know him from how he acts at work and how is he portrayed in the media. which is about 5%, if that, of a person's actual character. I have worked with a lot of people in my life. over the years, I have worked with some of my best friends. a few have been absolutely abhorent to work with. that means nothing in the grand scheme.

    and national anthems DON'T mean anything. it's pledging allegiance to your government. nothing more.
    to you they don't but maybe to others they do? it does mean something to me for my own personal reasons.
    yes, and he's being judged based on how OTHERS feel about something, not how HE feels about it.
    of course, isn't that what everything is judged on though? i mean i hate cats but if i took a public stand against cats i would be getting blasted based on how OTHERS feel about cats not how i feel about them.

    maybe i'm wrong but i don't see a lot of people questioning Kaepernick's message as much as the action he chose to promote his message.
    I hate cats and I take a very public stance against them. I am happy to be the leader of this club
    I don't like to use the word hate but I certainly dislike cats so I think I could stand with you. Btw that socks thing is a pretty stupid idea.....tends to undermine his whole stand. Why throw more fuel to the flame....as its been said before they're many, many good police officers out there. The game tonight I believe its military appreciation night....talk about a possible hostile environment. Make your your stance Kap in the locker room.

    Peace

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  • OnWis97
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    edited September 2016
    HesCalledDyer said:

    Since 9/11, most baseball stadiums now either play God Bless America or America The Beautiful during the 7th inning stretch instead of Take Me Out To The Ballgame. I'm so glad my Cubbies still show a posthumous Harry Caray singing on the video board! We already stood and sang The Star-Spangled Banner, now we have to sing another song about the nation AND bring fuckin religion into it, too?

    That's not true. I think most do God Bless America on Sunday and still fit in one verse of Take Me Out to the Ballgame. The latter used to be run through twice.

    Not sure what they do in Milwaukee, which traditionally did both Beer Barrel Polka and Take Me Out to the Ballgame...I suppose one gets dumped on Sundays.
    Post edited by OnWis97 on
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  • brianlux
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I love cats.

    The reason why we even spend seven pages discussing his is airing out differences in opinion.

    It's all good. We can disagree. Life would be pretty vanilla if we didn't.

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  • lukin2006
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    It's military night in San Diego for the niners game there tonight ... stand or sit on military night? I support his decision to make his own choices, but maybe not a wise choice on military night.
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    Boomer Esiason 'disgusted' by Colin Kaepernick, calls QB a 'disgrace'

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/boomer_esiason_disgusted_by_colin_kaepernick_calls.html
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  • Cliffy6745
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    lukin2006 said:

    Boomer Esiason 'disgusted' by Colin Kaepernick, calls QB a 'disgrace'

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/boomer_esiason_disgusted_by_colin_kaepernick_calls.html

    Says a guy who sits next to Craig Carton for 4+ hours a day...
  • Degeneratefk
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    lukin2006 said:

    Boomer Esiason 'disgusted' by Colin Kaepernick, calls QB a 'disgrace'

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/boomer_esiason_disgusted_by_colin_kaepernick_calls.html

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    Would these guys stand for military night?
    Free said:

    Y

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    lukin2006 said:

    It's military night in San Diego for the niners game there tonight ... stand or sit on military night? I support his decision to make his own choices, but maybe not a wise choice on military night.

  • josevolution
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    Degeneratefk said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Boomer Esiason 'disgusted' by Colin Kaepernick, calls QB a 'disgrace'

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/boomer_esiason_disgusted_by_colin_kaepernick_calls.html

    I hate boomer esiason.
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  • g under p
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    lukin2006 said:

    It's military night in San Diego for the niners game there tonight ... stand or sit on military night? I support his decision to make his own choices, but maybe not a wise choice on military night.

    With it being military appreciation night at the game tonight if I were Kap I would stand for the anthem. Then later when I'm sure he would be asked why he stood for the anthem.....then answer by saying I stood for those who have served and are serving in the military on this night. This night is for our appreciation of the military and I stand with them and their families. The next game will what it will be and then play well to earn a spot on the team.

    Peace


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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    g under p said:

    lukin2006 said:

    It's military night in San Diego for the niners game there tonight ... stand or sit on military night? I support his decision to make his own choices, but maybe not a wise choice on military night.

    With it being military appreciation night at the game tonight if I were Kap I would stand for the anthem. Then later when I'm sure he would be asked why he stood for the anthem.....then answer by saying I stood for those who have served and are serving in the military on this night. This night is for our appreciation of the military and I stand with them and their families. The next game will what it will be and then play well to earn a spot on the team.

    Peace


    Very good point ... and agreed.
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited September 2016
    Cliffy6745 said:

    pjhawks said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Empty Glass said:


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/


    Has anyone put a number on the number of bad policemen we have? 95% of them? 75%? Maybe less than 10%...

    He's an idiot.

    Don't be surprised though. I'm not sure who follows the NFL and who doesn't around here, but I can tell you that even before this incident... Kap was one of the least liked players in the NFL by other players.

    Among many things, after throwing an interception, he called Lamarr Houston a n***er on the field. Sooo... yah... it's kind of ironic that he resorts to offensive and racist language when angry on the football field... yet the champion for the cause near the height of social awareness.

    It's tough for me to reconcile his history with his newfound moral high ground.
    you can be passionate about something and still have been a dick in the past. they are not mutually exclusive. we all have said shit we aren't proud of. his is just broadcast on national tv. mine and yours are not.
    If you were eager to give the guy credit... you could believe whatever you wish about the guy.
    eager to give the guy credit? I'm not even sure what that means.
    Seriously?

    I meant if you really wanted to believe he genuinely feels for the movement to such a degree that he would shit on everything the national anthem might mean... you could believe his actions were altruistic.

    Knowing only what I have come to know of the guy... it seems more contrived and self serving.

    Others have said the same thing in this thread.
    your second paragraph is key: you don't know him. you know him from how he acts at work and how is he portrayed in the media. which is about 5%, if that, of a person's actual character. I have worked with a lot of people in my life. over the years, I have worked with some of my best friends. a few have been absolutely abhorent to work with. that means nothing in the grand scheme.

    and national anthems DON'T mean anything. it's pledging allegiance to your government. nothing more.
    to you they don't but maybe to others they do? it does mean something to me for my own personal reasons.
    I think this is a pretty interesting point. Really the only point. To you, the national anthem represents soliders past and present who have sacrificed for their country and that standing at attention for the national anthem is a sign of respect for them. Especially since you consider the fact that you are attending a sporting event as a freedom they are defending

    But as mentioned, it means different things to different people. So to Kaepernick, it may represent a salute or homage to a country that he feels is not properly representing or treating a group of people that he associates himself with and therefore does not want to pay that homage at the current time.

    So if it means something to you for your personal reasons, it doesn't mean the same thing for everyone and they are not disrespecting the reason that you personally feel it is important to stand.
    And he isnt the first athlete to protest surrounding the anthem or flag and he wont be the last.

    Disagree with his action if you choose to. Its your right after all. But respect his right to his speech as well. Tough as it can be , the speech we most disagree with is often times important to this country. Not necessarily for the content of that speech, but rather the right to that speech.

    Shameful thing in all of this is how quickly his reason was overshadowed by how he went about it. Really , I think this says loudly , "So fucking what, YOU dont matter. Know your place." Which to my mind proves the point attempting to be made.

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    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I love cats.

    The reason why we even spend seven pages discussing his is airing out differences in opinion.

    It's all good. We can disagree. Life would be pretty vanilla if we didn't.

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  • brianlux
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I love cats.

    The reason why we even spend seven pages discussing his is airing out differences in opinion.

    It's all good. We can disagree. Life would be pretty vanilla if we didn't.

    image
    Annie with her x-ray/radar vision says, THANK YOU, THIRTY!

    Cats rock.

    I'll steal from Tool: the thinking man's pet!

    Old blacky looks like he's a lot of fun. Our tabby cracks us up on an hourly basis- and serves up love and affection!

    Our daughter needed a pet two years ago. Our lifestyle wouldn't accommodate a dog... so it was a cat. The cat delivered all we could have hoped.
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