interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...
if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
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interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...
if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
a bigger protest would be NOT playing on the National team, but that would actually entail making a personal sacrifice.
It might be a big deal for the first game but then people would soon forget about it. Kneeling every game is much more of a significant and lasting protest.
interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...
if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
so ... standing for the anthem is what makes you an american? ... paying tribute to soldiers!? ... fighting for injustice is not being american?
it's interesting that people think standing for an anthem ... an anthem that has the lines land of the free, home of the brave ... is more important than the inequalities and social injustices being done ...
interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...
if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
a bigger protest would be NOT playing on the National team, but that would actually entail making a personal sacrifice.
How do you protest if you don't show up? Who notices if you're not even there?
She's already making a personal sacrifice. It entails dealing with the sort of crap being posted here.
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Don't be symbol minded.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...
if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...
if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
so ... standing for the anthem is what makes you an american? ... paying tribute to soldiers!? ... fighting for injustice is not being american?
it's interesting that people think standing for an anthem ... an anthem that has the lines land of the free, home of the brave ... is more important than the inequalities and social injustices being done ...
interesting to hear the stances of other teams ... USWNT, USA Hockey ... i find it weird someone could actually issue a press release that talks about how america is the land of freedom and liberties but at the same time say people do not have the right to wage a silent protest ...
if you are representing your country in an international competition you should stand for the Anthem. if Rapinoe doesn't want to support her country and anthem then she shouldn't be on the National team in my opinion.
It seems to me that making use of those vaunted freedoms and liberties is exactly how one might best represent support for the country and its values, but apparently not. I guess she should have just carried a gun instead.
Engaging in conformist pre-game rituals is why veterans made all those sacrifices.
for all those above you took offense to my comments on Rapinoe and the national team I re-post John Tortorella's comments regarding this issue. Torts is the coach of the US National Hockey team that begins play in the World Cup of Hockey tomorrow. Comments I agree 100% with but he just said it better.
"Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.
"It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."
for all those above you took offense to my comments on Rapinoe and the national team I re-post John Tortorella's comments regarding this issue. Torts is the coach of the US National Hockey team that begins play in the World Cup of Hockey tomorrow. Comments I agree 100% with but he just said it better.
"Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.
"It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."
So another offended white guy entitled to dictate what's acceptable protest? Sounds like he should go to his safe space. He actually may need that space after telling vets they fought for a song and a fabric symbol.
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Why give your life for a symbol or a song? A loved one, yes. The planet, possibly. But for a symbol or a song? No. Would you?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
for all those above you took offense to my comments on Rapinoe and the national team I re-post John Tortorella's comments regarding this issue. Torts is the coach of the US National Hockey team that begins play in the World Cup of Hockey tomorrow. Comments I agree 100% with but he just said it better.
"Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.
"It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."
If any of those service men and women actually gave their lives for a piece of fabric or a song, they were sadly misled. I am guessing, though, that if you could ask them that would not be the answer that they would give.
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The flag represents the entire spectrum of the country's history and to some degree hope for the future. Of course there are periods of shame and current struggles, but every country is still working on getting it right. Look at the discussions on these forums.
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The flag represents the entire spectrum of the country's history and to some degree hope for the future. Of course there are periods of shame and current struggles, but every country is still working on getting it right. Look at the discussions on these forums.
I suppose very view have actually served or died for a piece of cloth or a song but from at the very most WWII on, how many North Americans (among others) who fought and died, did so for a justifiable cause? In Korea? Vietnam? Iraq and the middle east? How many of the millions were worth losing, really?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I like respect to, which is why vets shouldn't be used as currency in an argument.
And this is why Kap kidnapping their moment to make his stance was wrong.
As I said before... a BLM sticker on his helmet would have been far better.
Sticker schmiker. That's no protest. A protest is doing something to disrupt a given routine that people have projected meaning on. It didn't rile my dad, a vet, because he sees what the pre game song is and also has the ability to empathize with the people engaged in the protest and can validate their experience.
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I like respect to, which is why vets shouldn't be used as currency in an argument.
And this is why Kap kidnapping their moment to make his stance was wrong.
As I said before... a BLM sticker on his helmet would have been far better.
Sticker schmiker. That's no protest. A protest is doing something to disrupt a given routine that people have projected meaning on. It didn't rile my dad, a vet, because he sees what the pre game song is and also has the ability to empathize with the people engaged in the protest and can validate their experience.
True!
Besides that, Kaepernick wasn't specifically protesting war or vets.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I like respect to, which is why vets shouldn't be used as currency in an argument.
And this is why Kap kidnapping their moment to make his stance was wrong.
As I said before... a BLM sticker on his helmet would have been far better.
Sticker schmiker. That's no protest. A protest is doing something to disrupt a given routine that people have projected meaning on. It didn't rile my dad, a vet, because he sees what the pre game song is and also has the ability to empathize with the people engaged in the protest and can validate their experience.
True!
Besides that, Kaepernick wasn't specifically protesting war or vets.
for all those above you took offense to my comments on Rapinoe and the national team I re-post John Tortorella's comments regarding this issue. Torts is the coach of the US National Hockey team that begins play in the World Cup of Hockey tomorrow. Comments I agree 100% with but he just said it better.
"Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.
"It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."
Seriously though, Tortorella is a tool. The idiot had to be held back from trying to get into the Flames dressing room to fight a few years back.
I like respect to, which is why vets shouldn't be used as currency in an argument.
And this is why Kap kidnapping their moment to make his stance was wrong.
As I said before... a BLM sticker on his helmet would have been far better.
Sticker schmiker. That's no protest. A protest is doing something to disrupt a given routine that people have projected meaning on. It didn't rile my dad, a vet, because he sees what the pre game song is and also has the ability to empathize with the people engaged in the protest and can validate their experience.
True!
Besides that, Kaepernick wasn't specifically protesting war or vets.
It's amazing how many people don't understand this.
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it's interesting that people think standing for an anthem ... an anthem that has the lines land of the free, home of the brave ... is more important than the inequalities and social injustices being done ...
She's already making a personal sacrifice. It entails dealing with the sort of crap being posted here.
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Torts gets it!
"Listen," he told reporters. "We're in a great country because we can express ourselves. And I am not against expressing yourselves. That's what's great about our country. We can do that. But when there are men and women that give their lives for their flag, for their anthem, have given their lives, continue to put themselves on the line with our services for our flag, for our anthem, families that have been disrupted, traumatic physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries for these people that give us the opportunity to do the things we want to do, there's no chance an anthem and a flag should come into any type of situation where you're trying to make a point.
"It is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do as a U.S. citizen is to bring that in. Because that's our symbol. All for [expressing] yourself. That's what's so great. Everybody does. But no chance when it comes to the flag and the anthem. No chance."
Nobody serves a 'piece of cloth'.
The flag represents the entire spectrum of the country's history and to some degree hope for the future. Of course there are periods of shame and current struggles, but every country is still working on getting it right. Look at the discussions on these forums.
Among many things... I'm a fan of respect though.
As I said before... a BLM sticker on his helmet would have been far better.
Besides that, Kaepernick wasn't specifically protesting war or vets.
Sticker shmicker works two ways.