Could You Kill a Baby Hitler?

PJ_Soul

I guess we should also remember that, if we did decide to kill Hitler, chances are none of us would exist, assuming you think that our existence just relies on the dumb luck of the right sperm reaching the right egg. I figure that if any of our parents or grandparents had done the deed a minute earlier or a minute later when we or our parents were conceived, a different person would have been born. And I assume that if Hitler had never existed, perhaps our Grandmothers might have still given birth to our parents IF they were born before WWII (unless they were German - if they were, then probably not), but there is almost no possibility that our parents would have been born if they were conceived after 1938 or so. The world would now mostly be populated by completely different people, and our entire world would therefore likely be quite different than it is now in many ways. Maybe better. Maybe worse. I personally am okay with this idea, since none of us would ever have known the difference anyway. Of course, if you believe that each of us were born for a larger reason than the fact that our dad happened to blow his load at the right moment with the right woman, well, that's another story.

mickeyrat

Lets go back further. And prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Would WW1 have transpired? Or let that all play out but changes be made to the Treaty of Versailles that allowed for some national dignity of Germany in the aftermath..

brianlux

While you good people are deciding on whether to kill baby Hitler or not, I'm off to my favorite records store today on my day off. Talk about good wavelengths!

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat said:

Lets go back further. And prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Would WW1 have transpired? Or let that all play out but changes be made to the Treaty of Versailles that allowed for some national dignity of Germany in the aftermath..

Maybe we need a thread for all possible actions we may or may not take during time travel....

Leezestarr313

Ha! Without the war, my Grandpa would not have made the trek from Poland to my hometown as a soldier and would never have laid eyes on my beautiful grandmother who helped my great grandma out at the soldier kitchen.

Anyways, Nazis still suck (my grandparents weren't nazis), and I hope they never gain power ever again.

HughFreakingDillon

23scidoo said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_Darkness

trippy. the whole idea of time travel to me makes no sense anyway. if it already happened, then it already happened. so going back and "changing it" already happened as well, as this episode explored.

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Lets go back further. And prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Would WW1 have transpired? Or let that all play out but changes be made to the Treaty of Versailles that allowed for some national dignity of Germany in the aftermath..

Maybe we need a thread for all possible actions we may or may not take during time travel....

If the stated end result of holocaust prevention is the goal the this thread works just fine.

HughFreakingDillon

as I was trying to say, but this says it better: The Hitler Murder Paradox

A variant of the grandfather paradox is the Hitler paradox or Hitler's murder paradox,[5] a fairly frequent trope in science fiction, in which the protagonist travels back in time to murder Adolf Hitler before he can instigate World War II. Rather than necessarily physically preventing time travel, the action removes any reason for the travel, along with any knowledge that the reason ever existed, thus removing any point in travelling in time in the first place.[6] Additionally, the consequences of Hitler's existence are so monumental and all-encompassing that for anyone born after the war, it is likely that their birth was influenced in some way by its effects, and thus the grandfather paradox would directly apply in some way.[7]

rr165892

brianlux said:

Let's discuss how you are all going to hypothetically make me a millionaire. LOL... sorry! It's that kind of morning!

OK but seriously, what is there to be gained from discussing the (as far as we know) impossible? I'm still sincerely not sure what the purpose of this is.

Bri,were making progress.I love when we get you talking about wanting more money.it brings out your sexy capitolistic side.lol

JimmyV

This time-traveling hipster dude was totally looking for baby Hitler.

Enkidu

I love the what ifs. If there hadn't been WWII, my blue collar dad wouldn't have had the GI bill to pay for graduate school, get a degree in journalism, get a job at a paper where he met my mom, etc.

What if. I said it before, this great book, Fatherland. Hitler wins the war. Who's the president of the U.S. in 1964? Joe Kennedy. JKK's father.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

Let's discuss how you are all going to hypothetically make me a millionaire. LOL... sorry! It's that kind of morning!

OK but seriously, what is there to be gained from discussing the (as far as we know) impossible? I'm still sincerely not sure what the purpose of this is.

Bri,were making progress.I love when we get you talking about wanting more money.it brings out your sexy capitolistic side.lol

PJ_Soul

JimmyV said:

This time-traveling hipster dude was totally looking for baby Hitler.

LOL!! It really does look like that! Is that a photoshop or real??

PJ_Soul

Enkidu said:

I love the what ifs. If there hadn't been WWII, my blue collar dad wouldn't have had the GI bill to pay for graduate school, get a degree in journalism, get a job at a paper where he met my mom, etc.

What if. I said it before, this great book, Fatherland. Hitler wins the war. Who's the president of the U.S. in 1964? Joe Kennedy. JKK's father.

I'm definitely going to check out that book.

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Lets go back further. And prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Would WW1 have transpired? Or let that all play out but changes be made to the Treaty of Versailles that allowed for some national dignity of Germany in the aftermath..

Maybe we need a thread for all possible actions we may or may not take during time travel....

If the stated end result of holocaust prevention is the goal the this thread works just fine.

Okay. I just meant a thread where that isn't the only end result being considered.

chadwick

Enkidu said:

After reading the KL concentration camp book, I looked up a photo of dead Himmler. He took a cyanide pill (hidden in his tooth) and the picture isn't grisly, he just looks like he's asleep. I like the idea of you, Chadwick, snipering his evil ass.

it made me sad when i found out himmler bit into a cyanide capsule. i mean i was hoping he was going to be hung or had suffered awhile but no, the bastard had to chomp down on a cyanide capsule taking his own life... easy way out for the chicken shit coward


dr. josef mengele, "the angel of death", this prick had a stroke while swimming & drowned at a vacation resort in brazil february 7, 1979. he's buried under the bullshit name "wolfgang gerhard”

this guy's the ultimate piece of shit who shoulda drowned a whole lot sooner

23scidoo

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_Darkness

trippy. the whole idea of time travel to me makes no sense anyway. if it already happened, then it already happened. so going back and "changing it" already happened as well, as this episode explored.

it was funny..

JimmyV

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

This time-traveling hipster dude was totally looking for baby Hitler.

LOL!! It really does look like that! Is that a photoshop or real??

Seen it around the internet a few times and people always claim it is real. I tend to think it is a photoshop but who knows for sure?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JimmyV said:

This time-traveling hipster dude was totally looking for baby Hitler.

Exactly... how... the hell... is RG... without his beard... looking for Baby Hitler in this picture?

PJ_Soul

Who is RG?