Could You Kill a Baby Hitler?

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Wow, I am guenuinely surprised that so many people are saying no!

I couldn't fucking do it. I'd rather do something to make Hitler Mama infertile. I remember about 10 years ago I saw a bee.....I stomped on it for no fucking reason.......it was an INSECT, and over a decade later I still remember it and how sad I felt for doing it. So no, I couldn't. Hitler wasn't Hitler yet. He had done nothing wrong as a baby.

Could I slice his throat with a dull knife as an adult? no issue with that.

But not Clifford Olson with lethal injection?

Interesting.

I am also against the death penalty, but the death penalty isn't about preventing murder. It's about revenge for something that has already happened. Very different.

So killing an innocent newborn child for what we know it will do later in life is acceptable to you, yet executing a sadistic serial murderer in the name of justice isn't?

Are we sure that by killing this infant, we will be eliminating evil? Is there the probability that another bastard rears his head to some frightening capacity?

Huh? Killing Hitler is killing Hitler, not eliminating all evil. Of course there are other evil people, unless you somehow think that Hitler was responsible for all murderers who came after him. I don't care what age he is. If you get a chance to kill Hitler before he became responsible for murdering millions of people you do it. I don't know why his age wouod have anything to do with it. You want to stop Hitler.
Killing Olson after he has murdered all of his victims and is caught, guaranteed to never kill again, why wouod you need to kill him??

PJ_Soul

Enkidu said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Enkidu said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Wow, I am guenuinely surprised that so many people are saying no!

I couldn't fucking do it. I'd rather do something to make Hitler Mama infertile. I remember about 10 years ago I saw a bee.....I stomped on it for no fucking reason.......it was an INSECT, and over a decade later I still remember it and how sad I felt for doing it. So no, I couldn't. Hitler wasn't Hitler yet. He had done nothing wrong as a baby.

Could I slice his throat with a dull knife as an adult? no issue with that.

But not Clifford Olson with lethal injection?

Interesting.

I am also against the death penalty, but the death penalty isn't about preventing murder. It's about revenge for something that has already happened. Very different.

I don't believe in the death penalty either (with a couple exceptions - Timothy McVeigh being one).

Stop waffling.
You believe in it or you don't.

Um. Not waffling. Just saying what I think, duh. Agree with PJ Soul that it's revenge. I also don't like the idea of the state/gov't executing people. However. (That's a different word than waffling, look it up in a dictionary.) I didn't lose any sleep when McVeigh was executed.

I don't see the difference between killing McVeigh or someone else. I am against the death penalty. Period. Their crimes are already committed. Capital punishment is simply more murder for the sake of murder. If the thread's question had been "would you kill Hitler if he had been caught and imprisoned after WWII?" I would have said no.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The scale of the holocaust was shocking. The systematic processes put in place to rid the Germans of Jews was shocking. The number of Jews that were processed is shocking.

Numbs the mind, but human nature is such that we shouldn't really be shocked by anything.

I mean... people have been f**king cruel since as far back as history can reveal. We've had centuries and centuries to move to a more enlightened and peaceful way of being, but this has proven to be impossible.

Did you know the Rwandan genocide saw a million people killed at 4X a murder rate that the holocaust featured? With the weapon of choice being the machete? To me, this event was one that became a bothersome one. Couple the indifference the western world exhibited as the event unfolded... and it's hard not to be cynical.

Genocide on the grand scale is happening as we speak.

You take out Hitler... you get someone else. Don't get me wrong- take him out... but the problems will not go away.

Did you honestly think that anyone here is dumb enough to think that killing Hitler would end genocide committed by others? I don't understand how that point has anything to do with the conversation.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The scale of the holocaust was shocking. The systematic processes put in place to rid the Germans of Jews was shocking. The number of Jews that were processed is shocking.

Numbs the mind, but human nature is such that we shouldn't really be shocked by anything.

I mean... people have been f**king cruel since as far back as history can reveal. We've had centuries and centuries to move to a more enlightened and peaceful way of being, but this has proven to be impossible.

Did you know the Rwandan genocide saw a million people killed at 4X a murder rate that the holocaust featured? With the weapon of choice being the machete? To me, this event was one that became a bothersome one. Couple the indifference the western world exhibited as the event unfolded... and it's hard not to be cynical.

Genocide on the grand scale is happening as we speak.

You take out Hitler... you get someone else. Don't get me wrong- take him out... but the problems will not go away.

Did you honestly think that anyone here is dumb enough to think that killing Hitler would end genocide committed by others? I don't understand how that point has anything to do with the conversation.

It may not be part of the matter at hand, but it still is a great point. Is the holocaust condemned more than other mass atrocities because the victims are those that walk among us and are our "allies". Or morebecause it was battled against on a global scale. Maybe this belongs in the Israel thread.....or its own......thirty?

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
I do find it interesting that the public schooling system teaches not to forget the holocaust.

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I do find it interesting that the public schooling system teaches not to forget the holocaust.

The north american school system doesnt give a shit about countries/regions it has no economic interest in.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The scale of the holocaust was shocking. The systematic processes put in place to rid the Germans of Jews was shocking. The number of Jews that were processed is shocking.

Numbs the mind, but human nature is such that we shouldn't really be shocked by anything.

I mean... people have been f**king cruel since as far back as history can reveal. We've had centuries and centuries to move to a more enlightened and peaceful way of being, but this has proven to be impossible.

Did you know the Rwandan genocide saw a million people killed at 4X a murder rate that the holocaust featured? With the weapon of choice being the machete? To me, this event was one that became a bothersome one. Couple the indifference the western world exhibited as the event unfolded... and it's hard not to be cynical.

Genocide on the grand scale is happening as we speak.

You take out Hitler... you get someone else. Don't get me wrong- take him out... but the problems will not go away.

Did you honestly think that anyone here is dumb enough to think that killing Hitler would end genocide committed by others? I don't understand how that point has anything to do with the conversation.

It may not be part of the matter at hand, but it still is a great point. Is the holocaust condemned more than other mass atrocities because the victims are those that walk among us and are our "allies". Or morebecause it was battled against on a global scale. Maybe this belongs in the Israel thread.....or its own......thirty?

Well yeah, I think that would be a conversation for another thread. That huge issue would completely derail this particular thread IMO..... but hey, not my call obviously!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The scale of the holocaust was shocking. The systematic processes put in place to rid the Germans of Jews was shocking. The number of Jews that were processed is shocking.

Numbs the mind, but human nature is such that we shouldn't really be shocked by anything.

I mean... people have been f**king cruel since as far back as history can reveal. We've had centuries and centuries to move to a more enlightened and peaceful way of being, but this has proven to be impossible.

Did you know the Rwandan genocide saw a million people killed at 4X a murder rate that the holocaust featured? With the weapon of choice being the machete? To me, this event was one that became a bothersome one. Couple the indifference the western world exhibited as the event unfolded... and it's hard not to be cynical.

Genocide on the grand scale is happening as we speak.

You take out Hitler... you get someone else. Don't get me wrong- take him out... but the problems will not go away.

Did you honestly think that anyone here is dumb enough to think that killing Hitler would end genocide committed by others? I don't understand how that point has anything to do with the conversation.

It's got everything to do with the conversation.

Where do you stop? If you go get all the perpetrators of genocide and kill them before they orchestrate they genocide... new characters assume their role and a different genocide (or the same for that matter) occurs.

And Hugh is correct in this vein: the Holocaust was brutal, but it was one in a long line of genocides where victims in every one suffered greatly.

As I said... go kill baby Hitler- there's worse things one can do. It would likely save us the holocaust, but that genocide would be replaced by another with a demon at its head that needs killing as well.

While we're at it... let's use the same technology to kill Clifford Olson and all the other people who have committed atrocities. Would this leave us murder free?

PJ_Soul

Who cares where you stop? The question is would you kill Hitler as a baby.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Who cares where you stop? The question is would you kill Hitler as a baby.

So yes or no followed by a brief explanation as to why you would or wouldn't is all that is acceptable here?

Okay: 'No'. Only because I couldn't imagine grabbing an innocent infant and killing it.

Done. See you next thread.

PJ_Soul

That's obviously not what I meant.

PJ_Soul

No offense to anyone.... but it seems pretty selfish or self-centered to say no just because you're worried about guilt or bad personal feelings.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

No offense to anyone.... but it seems pretty selfish or self-centered to say no just because you're worried about guilt or bad personal feelings.

The question is loaded. The variables relative to committing the act are endless. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

From my perspective, killing baby Hitler solves one genocide but creates another. Not only that... it alters the course of history in ways we simply cannot fathom.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

No offense to anyone.... but it seems pretty selfish or self-centered to say no just because you're worried about guilt or bad personal feelings.

The question is loaded. The variables relative to committing the act are endless. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

From my perspective, killing baby Hitler solves one genocide but creates another. Not only that... it alters the course of history in ways we simply cannot fathom.

Why does preventing the holocaust create another genocide in its place?

chadwick

someone earlier mentioned that they stomped a bee to death. ouch. i could off baby hitler before smashing a bee. in fact i find it easier to believe i could smoke a maniac monster predator 247,215 times or 247,216 times easier than a bee. a bee is innocent doing his thing. a nasty bastard predator who enjoys harming others should be smoked w/ a railroad spike, a softball, four rocks, a wobbly pool cue, chalk, cassette tape plastic fashioned into a spear tip, 19 gallons of paste, 7 chrome wheels & a couple nasty ideas that include hyenas & banking insurance investments from walmart

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

No offense to anyone.... but it seems pretty selfish or self-centered to say no just because you're worried about guilt or bad personal feelings.

The question is loaded. The variables relative to committing the act are endless. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

From my perspective, killing baby Hitler solves one genocide but creates another. Not only that... it alters the course of history in ways we simply cannot fathom.

Why does preventing the holocaust create another genocide in its place?

Bad choice of words. It doesn't create one... another replaces it.

The future from that moment is altered. It's impossible to say exactly how things play out from that moment, but I feel comfortable saying we'd experience something else horrific with a new character as the demon and new victims to speak of.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'm not defending Hitler.

If we killed baby Hitler... none of us are talking right now- we would never have existed. Further... I'm not convinced things would have been peachy-keen as a result.

Our past has been a part of our destiny. The only things we can truly do to impact humanity is what we do now and in the future. The past is supposed to guide our current to shape our future... but we have shown we aren't too interested in changing our propensity for violence on all scales.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick said:

someone earlier mentioned that they stomped a bee to death. ouch. i could off baby hitler before smashing a bee. in fact i find it easier to believe i could smoke a maniac monster predator 247,215 times or 247,216 times easier than a bee. a bee is innocent doing his thing. a nasty bastard predator who enjoys harming others should be smoked w/ a railroad spike, a softball, four rocks, a wobbly pool cue, chalk, cassette tape plastic fashioned into a spear tip, 19 gallons of paste, 7 chrome wheels & a couple nasty ideas that include hyenas & banking insurance investments from walmart

Yeah.

A bee doing new things or a mosquito doing mosquito things are a hell of a lot more palatable than a f**king psycho doing psycho things.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

No offense to anyone.... but it seems pretty selfish or self-centered to say no just because you're worried about guilt or bad personal feelings.

The question is loaded. The variables relative to committing the act are endless. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

From my perspective, killing baby Hitler solves one genocide but creates another. Not only that... it alters the course of history in ways we simply cannot fathom.

Why does preventing the holocaust create another genocide in its place?

Bad choice of words. It doesn't create one... another replaces it.

The future from that moment is altered. It's impossible to say exactly how things play out from that moment, but I feel comfortable saying we'd experience something else horrific with a new character as the demon and new victims to speak of.

Indin't think there is any logical reason to think that if you stopped that genocide, some other that would not have otherwise occured would happen.
I am simplifying it because it is indeed simple (FWIW, i think you are overthinking it). Get a chance to kill Hitler and prevent the holocaust and WWII, take that chance. You seem to be suggesting that getting rid of Hitler would be pointless because the world is shitty anyhow, so what's the difference. But life is risk and causing change. For all you know, going grocery shopping on Tuesday instead of Wednesday would somehow result in a genocide. That doesn't keep you from going to the grocery store.

HughFreakingDillon

chadwick said:

someone earlier mentioned that they stomped a bee to death. ouch. i could off baby hitler before smashing a bee. in fact i find it easier to believe i could smoke a maniac monster predator 247,215 times or 247,216 times easier than a bee. a bee is innocent doing his thing. a nasty bastard predator who enjoys harming others should be smoked w/ a railroad spike, a softball, four rocks, a wobbly pool cue, chalk, cassette tape plastic fashioned into a spear tip, 19 gallons of paste, 7 chrome wheels & a couple nasty ideas that include hyenas & banking insurance investments from walmart

I said earlier that I did that years ago and still regret it. It was a snap decision Nd iregretted it instantly. I mentioned in the context of not being able to kill a baby. I alwaystell mykids, even when they want to stomp on a pest like an ant, to not harm anythingthat isnt harming you.my wife thinks im nuts for catching spiders in the house and releasing them outside instaed of smashing them. Bit they dont deserve that. They dont know they are in my house. They just know its awesome in my house. Lol.