I mean I think if I try really hard I can kind of understand it. For example, a couple weeks ago I was in a Walmart in an area where you'd expect a Walmart. I needed to buy a tarp for tying shit up outside. For some unfathomable reason they were in the hunting section, with the guns and shit. I was scared. I didn't want to ask the gun keeper for help. There was a very frightening looking neckbeard guy looking at arrows. He scared me. And that is an unfair judgement based on my own ignorance of that culture. "Those people" are different to me. I am ignorant of their culture except for the really bad stuff I hear in the media. It's pretty much the same thing for someone living in a homogenous European country like Slovakia. They don't have any experience with or exposure to Muslim people/culture and they hear a bunch of negative shit in the media so that's what they base their opinions on. If you drop me in the middle of Appalachia I'm not gonna assimilate. I'm gonna be scared as hell and I'm gonna wish I was no longer stuck in Appalachia. And then over time as I get exposed to the local culture more I'll get over my bias and learn more about them and realize they're not so bad after all. I'm 99.9% sure that is how integration works. Still not sure why assimilation even has to be a thing in that case. Why can't I be part of the community while retaining my own culture? Why should I have to re-make myself in your image just so I can live in the same place as you? It's dumb.
And no, I'm not proud of my prejudicial reaction to a redneck. It was wrong, I was wrong. The Europeans crying for assimilation are wrong. I feel like Oprah. You're wrong, you're wrong, EVERYBODY is wrong!!!
Maybe not proud, Ident, but certainly honest about it. I like your thoughts on assimilation too...and I think the positive exposure to cultures goes both ways (whether majority or minority).
I mean I think if I try really hard I can kind of understand it. For example, a couple weeks ago I was in a Walmart in an area where you'd expect a Walmart. I needed to buy a tarp for tying shit up outside. For some unfathomable reason they were in the hunting section, with the guns and shit. I was scared. I didn't want to ask the gun keeper for help. There was a very frightening looking neckbeard guy looking at arrows. He scared me. And that is an unfair judgement based on my own ignorance of that culture. "Those people" are different to me. I am ignorant of their culture except for the really bad stuff I hear in the media. It's pretty much the same thing for someone living in a homogenous European country like Slovakia. They don't have any experience with or exposure to Muslim people/culture and they hear a bunch of negative shit in the media so that's what they base their opinions on. If you drop me in the middle of Appalachia I'm not gonna assimilate. I'm gonna be scared as hell and I'm gonna wish I was no longer stuck in Appalachia. And then over time as I get exposed to the local culture more I'll get over my bias and learn more about them and realize they're not so bad after all. I'm 99.9% sure that is how integration works. Still not sure why assimilation even has to be a thing in that case. Why can't I be part of the community while retaining my own culture? Why should I have to re-make myself in your image just so I can live in the same place as you? It's dumb.
And no, I'm not proud of my prejudicial reaction to a redneck. It was wrong, I was wrong. The Europeans crying for assimilation are wrong. I feel like Oprah. You're wrong, you're wrong, EVERYBODY is wrong!!!
Maybe not proud, Ident, but certainly honest about it. I like your thoughts on assimilation too...and I think the positive exposure to cultures goes both ways (whether majority or minority).
Thank you, Hedo. I agree, positive exposure is a two way street.
I am not sure if this has been brought up but, why not fight for your life. Why not stand up for your family. I do not get that. If people were threatening my way of life I know I would be willing to do for my family, friends and neighbors.
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I am not sure if this has been brought up but, why not fight for your life. Why not stand up for your family. I do not get that. If people were threatening my way of life I know I would be willing to do for my family, friends and neighbors.
Have you seen the destruction that these refugees are escaping? Their own government is randomly dropping barrel bombs on them. How does one stand up to that? This has been going on for years. I can only imagine what they are going through. Their homes are gone....jobs gone. Google Syria before and after...the destruction in unimaginable. Check out some of Vice's excellent documentaries.
"Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
-Pope
"View them as persons".
That's what it all comes down to.
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"Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
-Pope
"View them as persons".
That's what it all comes down to.
Speaking in tongues again this pope guy. Of course we are all people. View them as persons? Fuck off you holy roller. (the pope)
edit -thank god/pope for the edit button
This after editing? Sweet!
Not sure how what was quoted is in tongues.
My parents came here through vastly different roads, and thank fucking god they were viewed as persons. Sometimes people need to be reminded of this, as sometimes people can be sick sick fucks.
It's surprising to me that this could be surprising to others.
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Yeah, I get that. Religion isn't necessarily needed as a reminder but when it enters the circle in a non-negative way, I don't see why it would be blindly rejected (any more than it'd be blindly accepted).
Anyway, it's played a part in my life. If not now, then back then.
Religion isn't necessarily needed as a reminder but when it enters the circle in a non-negative way, I don't see why it would be blindly rejected (any more than it'd be blindly accepted).
I guess it's because I don't need a religious compass to adhere to the things they consider wrong to do. (commandments etc) I am not religious (not sure if you know this or not), and I would never dream of doing the "sins" that (insert religion here) do. How did I turn out to be a non-believer and follow the commandments anyways?
Yea bro we get it. You don't like religion. But you agree with the statement the man made right? You can argue with me about the last line, but there's no scripture in there. So calm down. This guy is appealing to most people's moral compass/general humanity in that statement. If you agree with what he is saying then you shouldn't be telling him to fuck off unless you're just trolling.
I am no friend of religion, I would go so far as to say it creeps me out. However, there is nothing in his statement I can disagree with, so I will not condemn the Pope or scorn him merely because he is a figurehead of an institute I would rather didn't exist. There is no sense to opposing something merely for the sake of opposing it, when they do or say something positive they should be praised just like anyone else. Always encourage any force for good....
I understand the humanitarian aspect of this. I just don't think its a good idea to throw a lot of people into this country that don't know the langauge or the culture and expect there not to have major issues. What happens if the majority don't feel the need to work? If they hear that the American government will pay their way through life with welfare?
I'd be more supportive of sending money to the countries in Europe that are willing go take these people in. It is a hell of a lot more convenient for the nearby countries to do this. It doesn't make sense to ship people 4,000 miles away when there are countries a lot closer that can.
I didn't claim they were threatening my way of life. I said I don't think it's cost effective to bring them here.
You're right. You just implied that they would be welfare sucks. When all evidence proves otherwise.
well it's on the internet it must be true.....I still call bullshit.
Godfather.
Haha, that's all you got? You know we are all on the internet right? That's some weak shit right there. Why even pretend you read anything that was posted?
It's no surprise that you wouldn't believe a conclusion based in science. You know how ignorant that sounds right?
hay now ! you know I read FAXNEWS ! and it's on the internet LOL !!!!! but on a serious note I really have a hard time believing that all those refugees will boost anybody's economy unless you consider crime an economy booster....and don't tell me they is no crime associated with these immigrant, don't make me copy and past FAXNEWS stories LOL !!!!.
Godfather.
Ya because Muslims are the ONLY criminals in the world. Not your fucked up buddy GWB or his partner in crime tricky dicky who lied to the world and nearly bankrupted the entire country all while making their buddies super rich. Oh and let's not forget that these same refugees are running from a country that somehow has been torn apart by the same fucken people you admire. What a sick world we live in. One things for sure. Gf's prgramming is firing on all cylinders.
well, you said it not me......how's life treating you lately ? you seem so angry all the time, may I recommend vitamin B complex ? helps with stress related issues. hope all is well.
Godfather.
Odd, I haven't been really on in sometime. But I'm good thanks. How about you? You ok? You seem very confused for sometime now. May I suggest turning faux tv OFF. Maybe go outside in the real world. Meet a Muslim, shake his hand, share a drink or smoke (you do live in so cal). Might actually help you like yourself on the inside. Fear is no way to live. Just trying to help out.
I would shake your hand and share a ....vape, I quit cigarettes. but quite honestly my friend I do like my self inside and I also like learning about people (just people in general) and I can't think of too many people that I fear, I usually treat people like I would like to be treated and so far it's been a thumbs up life.
I am not sure if this has been brought up but, why not fight for your life. Why not stand up for your family. I do not get that. If people were threatening my way of life I know I would be willing to do for my family, friends and neighbors.
"Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
-Pope
"View them as persons".
That's what it all comes down to.
Speaking in tongues again this pope guy. Of course we are all people. View them as persons? Fuck off you holy roller. (the pope)
edit -thank god/pope for the edit button
Not falling for the love fest huh?
Yeah get that. HD is though giving the right message that counters many religious views.
I am no friend of religion, I would go so far as to say it creeps me out. However, there is nothing in his statement I can disagree with, so I will not condemn the Pope or scorn him merely because he is a figurehead of an institute I would rather didn't exist. There is no sense to opposing something merely for the sake of opposing it, when they do or say something positive they should be praised just like anyone else. Always encourage any force for good....
I agree. If we have to label it, I'd have to call myself an enemy of the Pope and the Catholic Church, and very frustrated about the efficacy of this new PR campaign they are both waging, fooling millions and distracting them so they overlook all the same old Catholic hypocritical bullshit. But when he says something good, he says something good. I'm not going to criticize a good point just because it comes from someone or something I don't generally support.
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o.k so I listened to it.....what ? do I seem to be the guy with the key to the boarder gate's ? don't come after me because I disagree with a mass crossing of immigrants, if you think I am heartless then that's on you, my friends that know me know I would help anybody I could but what will happen to that country when they all have left ? who is running that country ? why are they leaving ? maybe the bigger issue should be looked at and dealt with instead of putting a band-aid on the problem pretending that accepting these people will cure the real problem.
o.k so I listened to it.....what ? do I seem to be the guy with the key to the boarder gate's ? don't come after me because I disagree with a mass crossing of immigrants, if you think I am heartless then that's on you, my friends that know me know I would help anybody I could but what will happen to that country when they all have left ? who is running that country ? why are they leaving ? maybe the bigger issue should be looked at and dealt with instead of putting a band-aid on the problem pretending that accepting these people will cure the real problem.
Godfather.
Cognitive dissonance right here ladies and gentlemen.
Also, aren't you a little concerned with what FOX news is feeding you?
no more than you and your source's, it's all the same info with a different presentation so if you don't like the delivery change the channel right ?
I've seen these refugees on various channels marching and at one point stealing from people trying to help them or even throwing rocks at busses and cars, they have been filmed using cell phones most are wearing decent clothing then I've seen refugees on other news sources from other third world countries near naked and so thin and malnourished the ones that haven't died look near death and non of them had cell phones, where's your bleeding heart for them ? you can go into any big city and find a homeless population and homeless who have died of exposer or hunger so like I said maybe it's time to look at the cause and motive and stop watching propaganda television like the one posted earlier...and you guy's thought FOX was bad....it's all the same crap just flavored differently.
Blows my mind fox gets away with the blatant propaganda. Used a clip from 2010 and presented it as current to raise fear. Why do we as a society allow this to happen. Hell when I watched clip assumed it was the immigrants on way to new home countries. But no.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
-Pope
That's what it all comes down to.
Not sure how what was quoted is in tongues.
My parents came here through vastly different roads, and thank fucking god they were viewed as persons. Sometimes people need to be reminded of this, as sometimes people can be sick sick fucks.
It's surprising to me that this could be surprising to others.
Anyway, it's played a part in my life. If not now, then back then.
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but quite honestly my friend I do like my self inside and I also like learning about people (just people in general) and I can't think of too many people that I fear, I usually treat people like I would like to be treated and so far it's been a thumbs up life.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Yeah get that. HD is though giving the right message that counters many religious views.
Godfather.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
then that's on you, my friends that know me know I would help anybody I could but what will happen to that country when they all have left ? who is running that country ? why are they leaving ? maybe the bigger issue should be looked at and dealt with instead of putting a band-aid on the problem pretending that accepting these people will cure the real problem.
Godfather.
Also, aren't you a little concerned with what FOX news is feeding you?
I've seen these refugees on various channels marching and at one point stealing from people trying to help them or even throwing rocks at busses and cars, they have been filmed using cell phones most are wearing decent clothing then I've seen refugees on other news sources from other third world countries near naked and so thin and malnourished the ones that haven't died look near death and non of them had cell phones, where's your bleeding heart for them ? you can go into any big city and find a homeless population and homeless who have died of exposer or hunger so like I said maybe it's time to look at the cause and motive and stop watching propaganda television like the one posted earlier...and you guy's thought FOX was bad....it's all the same crap just flavored differently.
Godfather.
At least we stabilized the region and pulled our troops out to make good on a campaign promise.