Refugee crisis
dignin
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I think the west should be doing more. What does everyone else think?
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dignin
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Somehow it's just not the same now.... but I'll try.
The mayor of Vancouver (Gregor Robertson... he's totally and madly obsessed with bike lanes, but I'll give him some credit today) held a town hall meeting so that people could come and discuss what the real options are for those who want to help the refugees, how much it can cost, what it would take, what hoops have to be jumped through, etc. Very good idea I thought. If every mayor of every major city in North America did the same thing, that would probably be very helpful.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/new-migration-crisis-overwhelms-european-refugee-system/2015/04/21/3ab83470-e45c-11e4-ae0f-f8c46aa8c3a4_story.html
I would like to see the west help more. It's a great way to make friends instead of enemies.
Thanks for combining the threads Kat.
Nahlah Ayed reports on refugees crossing porous Serbia-Hungary border
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nahlah-ayed-reports-on-refugees-crossing-porous-serbia-hungary-border-1.3220881
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hungarian-camerawoman-trips-refugees-1.3220051
Very glad she's been fired. That kid could have really been hurt. Plus, journalists are not supposed to intervene like that. What a dumb biotch.
I have been quite disturbed about all the news out of Hungary generally.
Emphasis mine.
http://blog.amnestyusa.org/europe/syrias-refugee-crisis-in-numbers/ And here's another one I have planned to read on the train:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/europe-refugees-not-welcome_55ef3dabe4b093be51bc8824?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
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I have read and heard stuff about how these people are a bunch of lying bastards, evident in all kinds of insane ways. How they aren't refugees at all because they have cell phones, for example. I guess some people think only the poorest of the poor can be war refugees.
Basically the entire "first world" ought to be helping out with this.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
unfortunately a xenophobe who is running for president and dominating polls is not going to allow for us to have any meaningful dialogue in this country. plus, our media is in the bag for trump because he is clickbait, so nobody is going to challenge him.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/refugee-crisis-immigration-us-presidential-candidates
This part stood out:
"But even as presidential candidates offer foreign policy pitches through a lens of moral leadership, just one of 22 contenders – former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley – said unequivocally that the US should take in more refugees and put forward a specific number. In a statement issued on Thursday, the Democrat called on the government to accept 65,000 refugees from Syria over the next year."
Only one out this large pack?!
I don't understand why everyone's expected to allow them in with open arms. We've all seen the rise in violence due to the influx of illegal immigrants in Texas and New Mexico, we all support building a fence to properly screen and validate every person crossing the border, yet when it happens in a third world country, where violence runs rampant, it's expected to be allowed? Shouldn't it be more restricted and validated even more so there?
I don't blame the countries for building fences around their points of entry. I would lay out row after row of barbed wire.
Ask your self honestly if you would be ok with suddenly 100s of Iraqie immigrants living on the same road as your home, living in the yards, bathing and using the rest room in your drive way. I doubt you would be so welcoming after a very short amount of time.
We all want to pretend we would help, but I think deep down we know the truth. At least I'm honest about it. Unlike 99.9% of the rest of the world who doesn't want to "offend" anyone!
https://m.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/3kbeht/man_tries_to_donate_food_but_bag_gets_stolen/
No good Christian would say what you just said.
"Verily, I will lay down row after row of barbed wire."
Now see them building houses and buildings. But they pretty much keep to themselves and do all they can to not draw attention.
Basically the entire "first world" ought to be helping out with this.
I have thought much about this too. These countries isn't even so far away from Syria and Irak they also speak the same language and have the same religion.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-04/why-don-t-gulf-states-accept-more-refugees-
The situation in Syria is a proxy war. The media and some AMT members can call it a civil war all they want, but it most definitely is NOT. This cannot be boiled down to 'our countries accept some blame for causing this in the beginning, but now it's all on ISIS and Assad'. Way, way too simplistic and naive to assume that the international players no longer hold a stake. I don't know why anyone would think that. The US has just finished training and unleashed new 'moderate rebels' into the Syrian theatre, and Obama has promised to defend them with air strikes if they come under attack by anyone - including Assad. This puts the US directly on the warpath with Assad. Turkey (the same country who has been allowing ISIS reinforcements into Syria via their border), has said they are working to implement an ISIS-free / no fly zone in Northern Syria, and there have been renewed calls for Syrian no-fly zones since the years-old refugee crisis became so much more en vogue in the week since that horrific picture was published. Hawks are politicizing the crisis for all it's worth, and msm is acting as the megaphone, as always. Assholes like Stephen Harper and Chris Alexander in Canada couldn't get thru a single interview about refugees without mentioning the need for more militarism to take out the terrorists....This kind of (perfectly natural) heart-string-tugging opens the public discourse to more direct (read: military) action. Remember the chemical attacks and the red line? Same shit - we keep hearing one sided reporting on the situation on the ground there, with the only option to resolve the situation causing the crisis being the military choice.
Think about who would benefit from a Syrian no fly zone. How big a threat is the ISIS air force? What happened in Libya after the no fly zone was implemented? (Ghaddafi was ousted, the country became a failed state, a homebase for extremists, and a continuing source of refugees).
The West is openly training/funding/arming 'moderate' rebels to oust Assad. ISIS is working to oust Assad. The West is using air strikes in Syria to take out ISIS. Does anyone think all of three of these scenarios can play out in the best case simultaneously? The desired outcome all along has been the fall of Assad. As long as the Iran/Russia backed Assad government clings to power, and the West and her regional allies refuse to back down in their bid to install a regime that is not aligned with Iran and Russia, there will continue to be more refugees.
Russia has said they will veto any no-fly zone presented to the UNSC. There have been reports over the last week of Russian marines arriving in Syria. The proxy war is going to come down to who blinks first. Considering the depth of ties between Iran/Syria/Russia, which make a lot more sense based on geography and recent history than any ties between Syria and gulf monarchies or US led coalitions ever could, I think we can see who the aggressors are, and who should be the ones to blink in order to allow these people a chance to rebuild in peace, and stem the tide of additional refugees.
It's pretty evident from my posting history on Syria that I think our involvement there needs to be cut back to humanitarian only. Pressure our allies to stop supporting the rebels in Syria. Pay reparations to the countries we've helped destroy so that they can rebuild and provide jobs for these people. End sanctions. Support Syrian charities instead of western ones. And yes, accept more refugees.