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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,786
    seanwon said:
    brianlux said:
    BF25394 said:
    Yeah that's sad . And also parents . Most people have kids can't they all decide it's pointless to breed another generation of people who think owning a gun is a right and is in any way sensible. 
    It's gone too far and there is no way back. That's the saddest part of all
    It's a different mentality. The father of the kid in Georgia said that he'd never been more proud than the day his kid killed a deer and had the blood smeared on his cheeks for his "first kill." Really? You've never been more proud than when your armed kid murdered a defenseless animal for sport? I understand hunting is a way of life for a lot of people, but I just don't get that level of glorification of it. Maybe if parents sent a message to kids that they're proud of them when they apply themselves in school or volunteer at the local senior-citizens home or veterans' hospital, kids might act differently.

    Great post, BF.
    American Indians killed animals for food and used every part of the animal for many uses.  But they honored the animal and gave it great respect.  When today's hunters carry on the way you described, they are mocking the animal and showing total disrespect.  And the whole idea of hunting as "sport" is low-bar mentality.

    “Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one.”

    -Edward Abbey

    Regardless if you think the 2nd amendment was misinterpreted or not, in the US, we DO have the right to own a gun. And I have already described a number of ways where having a gun is sensible/necessary. I'll take the high road and say many here must be willfully ignorant. 



    2a was written with ambiguity, and I am not sure if the first two phrases are proper English. Usually, writers place the words with the highest importance at the beginning of their sentences, as is the below. If so, not sure anyone should say with certainty what their gun rights are.

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,”

    In today's world, that line has no meaning.  It's a moot point.  No militia is go to fight off the U.S. armed forces.  The whole notion is pointless today.  It's makes no sense.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,547
    edited September 14
    BF25394 said:
    seanwon said:
    brianlux said:
    BF25394 said:
    Yeah that's sad . And also parents . Most people have kids can't they all decide it's pointless to breed another generation of people who think owning a gun is a right and is in any way sensible. 
    It's gone too far and there is no way back. That's the saddest part of all
    It's a different mentality. The father of the kid in Georgia said that he'd never been more proud than the day his kid killed a deer and had the blood smeared on his cheeks for his "first kill." Really? You've never been more proud than when your armed kid murdered a defenseless animal for sport? I understand hunting is a way of life for a lot of people, but I just don't get that level of glorification of it. Maybe if parents sent a message to kids that they're proud of them when they apply themselves in school or volunteer at the local senior-citizens home or veterans' hospital, kids might act differently.

    Great post, BF.
    American Indians killed animals for food and used every part of the animal for many uses.  But they honored the animal and gave it great respect.  When today's hunters carry on the way you described, they are mocking the animal and showing total disrespect.  And the whole idea of hunting as "sport" is low-bar mentality.

    “Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one.”

    -Edward Abbey

    Regardless if you think the 2nd amendment was misinterpreted or not, in the US, we DO have the right to own a gun. And I have already described a number of ways where having a gun is sensible/necessary. I'll take the high road and say many here must be willfully ignorant. 



    2a was written with ambiguity, and I am not sure if the first two phrases are proper English. Usually, writers place the words with the highest importance at the beginning of their sentences, as is the below. If so, not sure anyone should say with certainty what their gun rights are.

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,”
    I think his point is that, while interpretations of the Second Amendment may differ, the Supreme Court has interpreted it to unambiguously support an individual right to own a gun. I think this is an incorrect and ahistorical interpretation of the amendment, but it is the current state of the law despite what I think.

    Yes, I agree. But the court has proven to be malleable, as Jefferson put it. The right is not in the text, it’s in an opinion, which is changeable

    Unfortunately, even as the 5-4 opinion that the court ruled on Heller, a strict party line vote, has proven that the constitution has failed miserably in many areas. When courts rule on party line votes, at best these rights are temporary and far from solid.

    I don’t believe the gun enthusiasts fully understand this, nor do they understand how ambiguous the actual text is of the second amendment, which is where I was going with that point. (Edit, as usual, my original wording earlier wasn’t terrific. Maybe I should be appointed to right a new amendment for gun rights!)
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,376
    In the NRA's main office, they have the Second Amendment text embossed on the wall above the reception desk-- well, sort of. Here's what it actually says: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That ellipsis speaks volumes that even the NRA knows what the Second Amendment really means.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,281
    tbergs said:
    There isn't a need to hunt at all. 
    Nobody needs a gun. Full stop
    Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.
    Use a bow and arrow or a catapult then
    I prefer a trebuchet.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,547
    BF25394 said:
    In the NRA's main office, they have the Second Amendment text embossed on the wall above the reception desk-- well, sort of. Here's what it actually says: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That ellipsis speaks volumes that even the NRA knows what the Second Amendment really means.


    I've seen that!
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  • tbergs said:
    There isn't a need to hunt at all. 
    Nobody needs a gun. Full stop
    Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.
    Use a bow and arrow or a catapult then
    Trebuchet or ballista?
  • A friend of mine took his 10yo to the range to teach him about gun safety and to plink a few rounds. He was proud if his son and their bonding moment and posted on FB.  One person wondered why "you would teach your son to kill". 

    Pretty obtuse take.  Some people are just unhinged at the sight of a firearm.

    Oh yes it was the big black devil rifle too.
  • What a country! But I guess a state, Flo Rida, does not a country make, eh?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/us/florida-11-year-old-arrested-school-shooting-threat/index.html
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,054
    What a country! But I guess a state, Flo Rida, does not a country make, eh?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/us/florida-11-year-old-arrested-school-shooting-threat/index.html
    Sounds like the system worked out for this one. 
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  • dudeman said:
    What a country! But I guess a state, Flo Rida, does not a country make, eh?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/us/florida-11-year-old-arrested-school-shooting-threat/index.html
    Sounds like the system worked out for this one. 
    Right? What a country!
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,054
    dudeman said:
    What a country! But I guess a state, Flo Rida, does not a country make, eh?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/us/florida-11-year-old-arrested-school-shooting-threat/index.html
    Sounds like the system worked out for this one. 
    Right? What a country!
    Mass shooting stopped before it began. Isn't that a good thing?
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  • dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    What a country! But I guess a state, Flo Rida, does not a country make, eh?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/us/florida-11-year-old-arrested-school-shooting-threat/index.html
    Sounds like the system worked out for this one. 
    Right? What a country!
    Mass shooting stopped before it began. Isn't that a good thing?
    You betcha!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,786
    edited September 20
    Good grief, what next?  America The Violent.


    Kentucky Sheriff Arrested in Shooting Death of Judge

    The police say a sheriff shot District Judge Kevin Mullins inside the courthouse on Thursday afternoon before turning himself in.


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  • brianlux said:
    Good grief, what next?  America The Violent.


    Kentucky Sheriff Arrested in Shooting Death of Judge

    The police say a sheriff shot District Judge Kevin Mullins inside the courthouse on Thursday afternoon before turning himself in.


    Should have been more good guys with guns, judge should have had a gun and there should have been fewer windows and doors and more thoughts and prayers.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,786
    brianlux said:
    Good grief, what next?  America The Violent.


    Kentucky Sheriff Arrested in Shooting Death of Judge

    The police say a sheriff shot District Judge Kevin Mullins inside the courthouse on Thursday afternoon before turning himself in.


    Should have been more good guys with guns, judge should have had a gun and there should have been fewer windows and doors and more thoughts and prayers.

    Damn straight!  And arm the fuckin' jury, I say!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,299
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna175175
    Nice homecoming shooting and it wasn’t even a top story! I guess the barometer has to be at least 7+ dead in order to make any news waves 
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