Yeah that's sad . And also parents . Most people have kids can't they all decide it's pointless to breed another generation of people who think owning a gun is a right and is in any way sensible. It's gone too far and there is no way back. That's the saddest part of all
It's a different mentality. The father of the kid in Georgia said that he'd never been more proud than the day his kid killed a deer and had the blood smeared on his cheeks for his "first kill." Really? You've never been more proud than when your armed kid murdered a defenseless animal for sport? I understand hunting is a way of life for a lot of people, but I just don't get that level of glorification of it. Maybe if parents sent a message to kids that they're proud of them when they apply themselves in school or volunteer at the local senior-citizens home or veterans' hospital, kids might act differently.
Great post, BF.
American Indians killed animals for food and used every part of the animal for many uses. But they honored the animal and gave it great respect. When today's hunters carry on the way you described, they are mocking the animal and showing total disrespect. And the whole idea of hunting as "sport" is low-bar mentality.
“Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman
grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and
esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one.”
-Edward Abbey
Regardless if you think the 2nd amendment was misinterpreted or not, in the US, we DO have the right to own a gun. And I have already described a number of ways where having a gun is sensible/necessary. I'll take the high road and say many here must be willfully ignorant.
2a was written with ambiguity, and I am not sure if the first two phrases are proper English. Usually, writers place the words with the highest importance at the beginning of their sentences, as is the below. If so, not sure anyone should say with certainty what their gun rights are.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,”
In today's world, that line has no meaning. It's a moot point. No militia is go to fight off the U.S. armed forces. The whole notion is pointless today. It's makes no sense.
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Yeah that's sad . And also parents . Most people have kids can't they all decide it's pointless to breed another generation of people who think owning a gun is a right and is in any way sensible. It's gone too far and there is no way back. That's the saddest part of all
It's a different mentality. The father of the kid in Georgia said that he'd never been more proud than the day his kid killed a deer and had the blood smeared on his cheeks for his "first kill." Really? You've never been more proud than when your armed kid murdered a defenseless animal for sport? I understand hunting is a way of life for a lot of people, but I just don't get that level of glorification of it. Maybe if parents sent a message to kids that they're proud of them when they apply themselves in school or volunteer at the local senior-citizens home or veterans' hospital, kids might act differently.
Great post, BF.
American Indians killed animals for food and used every part of the animal for many uses. But they honored the animal and gave it great respect. When today's hunters carry on the way you described, they are mocking the animal and showing total disrespect. And the whole idea of hunting as "sport" is low-bar mentality.
“Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman
grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and
esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one.”
-Edward Abbey
Regardless if you think the 2nd amendment was misinterpreted or not, in the US, we DO have the right to own a gun. And I have already described a number of ways where having a gun is sensible/necessary. I'll take the high road and say many here must be willfully ignorant.
2a was written with ambiguity, and I am not sure if the first two phrases are proper English. Usually, writers place the words with the highest importance at the beginning of their sentences, as is the below. If so, not sure anyone should say with certainty what their gun rights are.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,”
I think his point is that, while interpretations of the Second Amendment may differ, the Supreme Court has interpreted it to unambiguously support an individual right to own a gun. I think this is an incorrect and ahistorical interpretation of the amendment, but it is the current state of the law despite what I think.
Yes, I agree. But the court has proven to be malleable, as Jefferson put it. The right is not in the text, it’s in an opinion, which is changeable
Unfortunately, even as the 5-4 opinion that the court ruled on Heller, a strict party line vote, has proven that the constitution has failed miserably in many areas. When courts rule on party line votes, at best these rights are temporary and far from solid.
I don’t believe the gun enthusiasts fully understand this, nor do they understand how ambiguous the actual text is of the second amendment, which is where I was going with that point. (Edit, as usual, my original wording earlier wasn’t terrific. Maybe I should be appointed to right a new amendment for gun rights!)
In the NRA's main office, they have the Second Amendment text embossed on the wall above the reception desk-- well, sort of. Here's what it actually says: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That ellipsis speaks volumes that even the NRA knows what the Second Amendment really means.
There isn't a need to hunt at all. Nobody needs a gun. Full stop
Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.
In the NRA's main office, they have the Second Amendment text embossed on the wall above the reception desk-- well, sort of. Here's what it actually says: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That ellipsis speaks volumes that even the NRA knows what the Second Amendment really means.
There isn't a need to hunt at all. Nobody needs a gun. Full stop
Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.
A friend of mine took his 10yo to the range to teach him about gun safety and to plink a few rounds. He was proud if his son and their bonding moment and posted on FB. One person wondered why "you would teach your son to kill".
Pretty obtuse take. Some people are just unhinged at the sight of a firearm.
Kentucky Sheriff Arrested in Shooting Death of Judge
The
police say a sheriff shot District Judge Kevin Mullins inside the
courthouse on Thursday afternoon before turning himself in.
Should have been more good guys with guns, judge should have had a gun and there should have been fewer windows and doors and more thoughts and prayers.
Kentucky Sheriff Arrested in Shooting Death of Judge
The
police say a sheriff shot District Judge Kevin Mullins inside the
courthouse on Thursday afternoon before turning himself in.
Should have been more good guys with guns, judge should have had a gun and there should have been fewer windows and doors and more thoughts and prayers.
Damn straight! And arm the fuckin' jury, I say!
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What a country. Just keeps getting better. But hey, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the pets of the people that live there.
Gun death rates in some U.S. states comparable to conflict zones, study finds
The Commonwealth Fund found that the rate of firearms deaths in Mississippi is nearly twice that of Haiti, an impoverished nation stricken by gang violence.
The rate of firearms deaths in several U.S. states is similar to places around the world that are battling civil unrest or bloody gang wars, a new report shows.
The report, published Wednesday by the Commonwealth Fund, an independent research group, found that the overall rate of firearms deaths in Mississippi was nearly twice that of Haiti, an impoverished Caribbean nation where violent gangs control large swaths of the country and whose president was assassinated by gunmen in 2021.
Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama also had higher firearms death rates than Mexico, where rival drug cartels are engaged in bloody conflict. Montana’s death rate from guns was higher than in Colombia, where drug trafficking is rife.
Wyoming, Arizona and Oklahoma all ranked above Brazil. Suburban New Jersey had a higher gun death rate than Nicaragua, Mali and Djibouti.
In June, U.S. Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy declared gun violence a public health crisis — putting it on a par with a 1960s warning on the lethal consequences of cigarette smoking.
The latest report illustrates “just how bad gun violence has gotten in the U.S. and how it’s something we should be talking about far more than we do,” said Evan Gumas, a research associate at the Commonwealth Fund and a co-author of the report.
“The fact that the U.S. ranks among countries that are involved in some form of conflict (whether that be civil war, general unrest, drug/arms trafficking etc.) is really startling, and even more so when we look at where U.S. states compare on the global scale,” he said in an email to The Washington Post. “I do think many Americans would be surprised by how similar our rates are to those in the world’s conflict zones.”
The report was based on data from the 2021 Global Burden of Disease study, which provides an in-depth look at mortality and disability across countries, and the latest 2022 mortality data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Researchers defined firearm mortality in the study as an aggregate of physical violence by firearm, self-harm by firearm and unintentional firearm injuries.
So far this year, there have been 24 mass killings with guns in the United States, according to a tracker published by The Washington Post, which defines a “mass killing” as an event in which four or more people died, not including the perpetrators.
Globally, the United States ranks in the 93rd percentile for overall firearm mortality, the 92nd percentile for firearm mortality among children and teenagers, and the 96th percentile for firearm mortality among women, the report found.
U.S. states have a higher firearm mortality rate than most other countries in the world. Rates of self-harm are also much higher. Black, American Indian and Alaska Native people experience the highest rates of any racial or ethnic group.
The aim of the latest report, Gumas said, was to highlight how the United States compares to countries that aren’t in its usual wealthy cohort — such as Belize, which is plagued by bouts of civil unrest and has one of the highest per capitahomicide rates in the world.
“I think Americans recognize that we of course don’t compare to a lot of the high-income countries we typically compare ourselves to,” Gumas said. “But I don’t think they would expect us to compare to many of the countries that we do compare to like the Dominican Republic, Belize, or Haiti.”
Hmm. I just heard on NPR yesterday that violent crime and gun violence are way down in the US after a spike around COVID.
These are two different things. The overall crime rate in the country in 2023 can be down compared to 2022 at the same time that the crime rate in a specific place (in this case, Mississippi) remains high enough to be comparable to a foreign country with a high crime rate. The crime rate in Mississippi can also have declined from 2022 to 2023 while remaining abnormally high compared to the rest of the U.S.
Hmm. I just heard on NPR yesterday that violent crime and gun violence are way down in the US after a spike around COVID.
These are two different things. The overall crime rate in the country in 2023 can be down compared to 2022 at the same time that the crime rate in a specific place (in this case, Mississippi) remains high enough to be comparable to a foreign country with a high crime rate. The crime rate in Mississippi can also have declined from 2022 to 2023 while remaining abnormally high compared to the rest of the U.S.
DeSoto, who runs a traffic safety nonprofit that partners with San Antonio’s city and county courts, has been teaching his aggressive driving class for 26 years, and in that time, he has come to believe several things. One is that what goes on in the country will play out on its roadways. Another is that anger on the roads is getting worse. Across the country, the number of people injured or killed in road rage incidents involving a gun has doubled since 2018, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit research group.
Can you quote anything other than the Washington Post? I just look to Japan where even to police do not need guns.
Sure can but you won’t read it anyway so why should I bother posting a multitude of sources for someone so conflicted about any number of issues? Yay Japan, I guess?
Can you quote anything other than the Washington Post? I just look to Japan where even to police do not need guns.
Careful, it’s more than 10 lines.
The spike in gun violence during the height of the COVID pandemic in the United States is subsiding, with 2022 being the first year since the pandemic began that we saw fewer gun homicides than during the prior year. Yet one measure of gun violence continues to climb: road rage shooting deaths and injuries continue to pile up.
Experiencing aggressive driving on the road is not uncommon—roughly eight in 10 drivers surveyed by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safetyreported having at least one incident in the month before the survey. However, the presence of a gun can turn such an encounter from an unpleasant few moments to a dangerous incident for drivers, their passengers, and pedestrians. What’s more, the presence of a gun in a car may increase the likelihood of road rage. A survey conducted initially in Arizona1 and then nationally found that motorists in a vehicle with a gun were more likely to behave rudely or aggressively and to exhibit road rage—making obscene gestures, cutting off other cars, or engaging in other dangerous driving behavior.2 Another 2017 study found that motorists behaved more aggressively with a firearm in the vehicle, where just the presence of a gun was associated with dangerous driving.3
Using Gun Violence Archive’s database to analyze road rage incidents, Everytown Research & Policy found that the number of road rage injuries and deaths involving guns has increased every year since 2018. In that year, at least 70 road rage shooting deaths occurred in the United States; in 2022, the number doubled to 141. The same trend occurred with gun injuries: at least 176 people were injured in a road rage incident in 2018, with a staggering increase to 413 people in 2022. These incidents translate to a person being shot and either injured or killed in a road rage incident in 2022 every 16 hours, on average.
Can you quote anything other than the Washington Post? I just look to Japan where even to police do not need guns.
Sure can but you won’t read it anyway so why should I bother posting a multitude of sources for someone so conflicted about any number of issues? Yay Japan, I guess?
Keep posting. Take It all in. And yes, I see things in other countries that make me say WTF is going on here? I can't say I am proud of what I see.
Can you quote anything other than the Washington Post? I just look to Japan where even to police do not need guns.
Sure can but you won’t read it anyway so why should I bother posting a multitude of sources for someone so conflicted about any number of issues? Yay Japan, I guess?
Keep posting. Take It all in. And yes, I see things in other countries that make me say WTF is going on here? I can't say I am proud of what I see.
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In today's world, that line has no meaning. It's a moot point. No militia is go to fight off the U.S. armed forces. The whole notion is pointless today. It's makes no sense.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Unfortunately, even as the 5-4 opinion that the court ruled on Heller, a strict party line vote, has proven that the constitution has failed miserably in many areas. When courts rule on party line votes, at best these rights are temporary and far from solid.
I don’t believe the gun enthusiasts fully understand this, nor do they understand how ambiguous the actual text is of the second amendment, which is where I was going with that point. (Edit, as usual, my original wording earlier wasn’t terrific. Maybe I should be appointed to right a new amendment for gun rights!)
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Pretty obtuse take. Some people are just unhinged at the sight of a firearm.
Oh yes it was the big black devil rifle too.
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Kentucky Sheriff Arrested in Shooting Death of Judge
The police say a sheriff shot District Judge Kevin Mullins inside the courthouse on Thursday afternoon before turning himself in.
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Damn straight! And arm the fuckin' jury, I say!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Gun death rates in some U.S. states comparable to conflict zones, study finds
The Commonwealth Fund found that the rate of firearms deaths in Mississippi is nearly twice that of Haiti, an impoverished nation stricken by gang violence.
The rate of firearms deaths in several U.S. states is similar to places around the world that are battling civil unrest or bloody gang wars, a new report shows.
The report, published Wednesday by the Commonwealth Fund, an independent research group, found that the overall rate of firearms deaths in Mississippi was nearly twice that of Haiti, an impoverished Caribbean nation where violent gangs control large swaths of the country and whose president was assassinated by gunmen in 2021.
Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama also had higher firearms death rates than Mexico, where rival drug cartels are engaged in bloody conflict. Montana’s death rate from guns was higher than in Colombia, where drug trafficking is rife.
Wyoming, Arizona and Oklahoma all ranked above Brazil. Suburban New Jersey had a higher gun death rate than Nicaragua, Mali and Djibouti.
In June, U.S. Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy declared gun violence a public health crisis — putting it on a par with a 1960s warning on the lethal consequences of cigarette smoking.
The latest report illustrates “just how bad gun violence has gotten in the U.S. and how it’s something we should be talking about far more than we do,” said Evan Gumas, a research associate at the Commonwealth Fund and a co-author of the report.
“The fact that the U.S. ranks among countries that are involved in some form of conflict (whether that be civil war, general unrest, drug/arms trafficking etc.) is really startling, and even more so when we look at where U.S. states compare on the global scale,” he said in an email to The Washington Post. “I do think many Americans would be surprised by how similar our rates are to those in the world’s conflict zones.”
The report was based on data from the 2021 Global Burden of Disease study, which provides an in-depth look at mortality and disability across countries, and the latest 2022 mortality data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Researchers defined firearm mortality in the study as an aggregate of physical violence by firearm, self-harm by firearm and unintentional firearm injuries.
So far this year, there have been 24 mass killings with guns in the United States, according to a tracker published by The Washington Post, which defines a “mass killing” as an event in which four or more people died, not including the perpetrators.
Globally, the United States ranks in the 93rd percentile for overall firearm mortality, the 92nd percentile for firearm mortality among children and teenagers, and the 96th percentile for firearm mortality among women, the report found.
U.S. states have a higher firearm mortality rate than most other countries in the world. Rates of self-harm are also much higher. Black, American Indian and Alaska Native people experience the highest rates of any racial or ethnic group.
Previous studies have compared firearm mortality in the United States with other high-income countries and showed consistently higher U.S. death rates.
The aim of the latest report, Gumas said, was to highlight how the United States compares to countries that aren’t in its usual wealthy cohort — such as Belize, which is plagued by bouts of civil unrest and has one of the highest per capitahomicide rates in the world.
“I think Americans recognize that we of course don’t compare to a lot of the high-income countries we typically compare ourselves to,” Gumas said. “But I don’t think they would expect us to compare to many of the countries that we do compare to like the Dominican Republic, Belize, or Haiti.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/10/31/us-gun-deaths-violence-global-comparison/
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DeSoto, who runs a traffic safety nonprofit that partners with San Antonio’s city and county courts, has been teaching his aggressive driving class for 26 years, and in that time, he has come to believe several things. One is that what goes on in the country will play out on its roadways. Another is that anger on the roads is getting worse. Across the country, the number of people injured or killed in road rage incidents involving a gun has doubled since 2018, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit research group.
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The spike in gun violence during the height of the COVID pandemic in the United States is subsiding, with 2022 being the first year since the pandemic began that we saw fewer gun homicides than during the prior year. Yet one measure of gun violence continues to climb: road rage shooting deaths and injuries continue to pile up.
Experiencing aggressive driving on the road is not uncommon—roughly eight in 10 drivers surveyed by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safetyreported having at least one incident in the month before the survey. However, the presence of a gun can turn such an encounter from an unpleasant few moments to a dangerous incident for drivers, their passengers, and pedestrians. What’s more, the presence of a gun in a car may increase the likelihood of road rage. A survey conducted initially in Arizona1 and then nationally found that motorists in a vehicle with a gun were more likely to behave rudely or aggressively and to exhibit road rage—making obscene gestures, cutting off other cars, or engaging in other dangerous driving behavior.2 Another 2017 study found that motorists behaved more aggressively with a firearm in the vehicle, where just the presence of a gun was associated with dangerous driving.3
Using Gun Violence Archive’s database to analyze road rage incidents, Everytown Research & Policy found that the number of road rage injuries and deaths involving guns has increased every year since 2018. In that year, at least 70 road rage shooting deaths occurred in the United States; in 2022, the number doubled to 141. The same trend occurred with gun injuries: at least 176 people were injured in a road rage incident in 2018, with a staggering increase to 413 people in 2022. These incidents translate to a person being shot and either injured or killed in a road rage incident in 2022 every 16 hours, on average.
https://everytownresearch.org/reports-of-road-rage-shootings-are-on-the-rise/
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