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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,251
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Can you quote anything other than the Washington Post? I just look to Japan where even to police do not need guns.
    Sure can but you won’t read it anyway so why should I bother posting a multitude of sources for someone so conflicted about any number of issues? Yay Japan, I guess?
     Keep posting. Take It all in. And yes, I see things in other countries that make me say WTF is going on here? I can't say I am proud of what I see.
    But you’re on the fence? Sure, sure you are.
    I am. Should I vote for a lame duck? My options suck. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Can you quote anything other than the Washington Post? I just look to Japan where even to police do not need guns.
    Sure can but you won’t read it anyway so why should I bother posting a multitude of sources for someone so conflicted about any number of issues? Yay Japan, I guess?
     Keep posting. Take It all in. And yes, I see things in other countries that make me say WTF is going on here? I can't say I am proud of what I see.
    But you’re on the fence? Sure, sure you are.
    I am. Should I vote for a lame duck? My options suck. 
    Sorry, can’t help you.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,880
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Can you quote anything other than the Washington Post? I just look to Japan where even to police do not need guns.
    Sure can but you won’t read it anyway so why should I bother posting a multitude of sources for someone so conflicted about any number of issues? Yay Japan, I guess?
     Keep posting. Take It all in. And yes, I see things in other countries that make me say WTF is going on here? I can't say I am proud of what I see.
    But you’re on the fence? Sure, sure you are.
    I am. Should I vote for a lame duck? My options suck. 
    Just shoot the duck and get on the train. What's the worst that could happen?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    What a country. Choose your ammo. Verify your ID. Pay and go. And go shoot up a school, movie theater, supermarket, concert, mall or blow your brains out in your car or in the parking lot.

    Start-up putting ammo vending machines in grocery stores plans to grow

    Dallas-based American Rounds says it makes selling ammo safer and more convenient, but some public officials and health experts worry about impulse bullet buying.

    Candy, ice and lottery tickets have long been impulse items sold at checkouts in American grocery stores. Now bullets are joining the list of merchandise peddled to consumers as they exit at a growing number of stores around the country.

    Dallas-based start-up American Rounds rolled its first automated retail ammo machine into a Fresh Value grocery store in Pell City, Alabama, late in 2023, selling various brands of rifle, shotgun and handgun ammo.

    The company advertises its machines as a safer and more convenient way to buy ammo than at a large retail store or online. But public health experts have questioned whether the company’s suicide prevention efforts are sufficient, and elected officials in areas where machines were set up have worried that the easy availability of ammunition could lead to impulsive purchases by people who seek to do harm.

    “If you’re in the ammunition space … you have a social responsibility to make things as safe as possible while maintaining the integrity of the Second Amendment,” American Rounds CEO Grant Magers told The Washington Post. “We wanted to accomplish both.”

    The ammunition kiosks operate in nearly a dozen grocery stores across Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama and Colorado. Fresh Value, Lowe’s Market and Super C Mart all host the kiosks at some store locations. Representatives for all three companies declined to comment when reached by The Post.

    In a 2023 promotional video for the rollout of American Rounds kiosks, Fresh Value Chief Operating Officer Terry Stanley said the company was “excited to offer … what we think is the first ammo kiosk.”

    “There is no doubt that foot traffic will increase based on the feedback that we’ve gotten,” Stanley said. “We’re super excited not only to have it here, but in other locations in Fresh Value as well.”

    Since its kiosks made headlines in July, Magers said, American Rounds has signed over 200 contracts and received requests for machines in nearly every state. But the machines have still been placed in only a handful of new locations.Magers cited ongoing contract negotiations and production limitsas causes for delay and said the company’s goal is to ship around 100 units in 2025.

    “We knew we had something special, but we didn’t know that it was going to explode like that,” Magers said.

    The machines use a touch screen to display their goods — there is notransparent glass panel to view the ammo inside, as with other types of vending machines.

    “These are double-walled steel, 2,000-pound machines that are always indoors under security cameras,” Magers said. “[Ammo is] not sitting on a shelf, you know, like your bread aisle in the grocery store.”

    Company policy dictates that customers be at least 21 years old to purchase ammo at an American Rounds machine, regardless of state laws. The machine uses the same identity verification technology as the Transportation Security Administration at airport checkpoints, Magers said. There is no federal requirement that sellers verify a buyer’s ID before an ammo sale, but federal law does limit the types of rounds people under 21 can purchase.

    “We’re the only company in America that say can say 100 percent, every [ammo] purchase, that there’s an ID verified,” Magers said.

    Research indicates a correlation between firearm availability and suicide, which experts say is often an impulsive act, especially in rural areas similar to those where American Rounds machines operate, though the kiosks sell only ammunition and not firearms themselves.

    American Rounds says it’s aware of that phenomenon and haspartnered with a pro-Second Amendment mental health nonprofit, Walk the Talk America, to reach kiosk customers in crisis. The company displays ads for mental health screenings on its machines, which also show customers the national suicide hotline phone number, 988, before every use.

    “We’re offering material for people to get help that need help,” Magers said.

    But public health experts questioned the effectiveness of the safeguards.

    Paul Nestadt, associate professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, compared the machine’s warnings to signs on bridges saying, “Don’t jump. Seek help.”

    “We’ve studied those. They’re not effective,” Nestadt said. “If someone is impulsively going to attempt suicide, that sign doesn’t seem to stop them.”

    Nestadt said a common myth about suicide is that it often involves a plan, while in reality the majority of attempts are impulsive.

    “By making [ammo] more accessible, there’s less time for that impulse to pass, for the heat to die down,” Nestadt said.

    Magers responded to Nestadt’s analogy by highlighting the safety steps the company has already taken: raising age limits and requiring IDs. He compared his company’s approach to safety to that of a car manufacturer.

    “People still have car accidents and have tragedy, but they take steps to make it safer,” Magers said. “They don’t just say, ‘Okay, we’re not going to use cars anymore.’”

    Nestadt said regardless of whether there are more safeguards, more ammunition availability always raises the risk.

    “When you put candy near the register … more candy is sold,” Nestadt said. “We know that more ammunition and guns in the community increases suicide rates. We’ve been studying this for decades.”

    Ammo sales have been good and are steadily rising as buyers grow familiar with the machines, according to Magers, though American Rounds did remove one machine in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, in July due to poor sales.

    The machine generated just four total sales in seven months, according to a Fresh Value statement provided to WBRC 6 News.

    “That location, just for whatever reason, just didn’t generate any [sales],” Magers said.

    The same machine dispensed controversy when Kip Tyner, Tuscaloosa City Council president, raised constituent concerns at a council meeting on the issue. Tyner told WBRC 6 News he is not against guns but thought the machines were a joke at first and “didn’t like it at all.”

    “We know we’ve got a problem with guns — and people that have guns, I should say,” Tyner said. “So why make it more convenient to buy ammunition?”

    Magers said the machine’s removal took place before to the council meeting and had no connection.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/12/15/ammunition-vending-machines-grocery-stores/

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    Breaking, not breaking.

    Shooting at Christian school in Madison, Wisconsin leaves multiple injured, police say

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/16/us/madison-wisconsin-school-shooting/index.html
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,320
    Yeah just saw that.  Just another day in America.  Sorry to say, these things are never a surprise anymore. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    brianlux said:
    Yeah just saw that.  Just another day in America.  Sorry to say, these things are never a surprise anymore. 

    8 per month, on average. Nothing can be done.

    The Abundant Life Christian School shooting in Madison, Wisconsin, marks at least the 83rd school shooting of 2024, surpassing 2023 for the most school shootings in a single year since CNN began tracking such shootings in 2008. The total number of school shootings CNN counted in 2023 was at least 82.

    Of the 83 school shootings this year, 56 have been reported on K-12 campuses and 27 on university and college campuses. The deadliest school shooting of the year was in Winder, Georgia, where four victims were left dead at Apalachee High School.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/16/us/madison-wisconsin-school-shooting/index.html

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,320
    brianlux said:
    Yeah just saw that.  Just another day in America.  Sorry to say, these things are never a surprise anymore. 

    8 per month, on average. Nothing can be done.

    The Abundant Life Christian School shooting in Madison, Wisconsin, marks at least the 83rd school shooting of 2024, surpassing 2023 for the most school shootings in a single year since CNN began tracking such shootings in 2008. The total number of school shootings CNN counted in 2023 was at least 82.

    Of the 83 school shootings this year, 56 have been reported on K-12 campuses and 27 on university and college campuses. The deadliest school shooting of the year was in Winder, Georgia, where four victims were left dead at Apalachee High School.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/16/us/madison-wisconsin-school-shooting/index.html


    Good god, that's insane. 
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    In hindsight, I knew it was over when we didn't do anything after Sandy Hook a CEO was murdered.
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,078
    edited December 17

    MADISON, Wis. —

    A director with the Abundant Life Christian School spoke about safety and security following a shooting that left three people dead and six others injured.

    Police said the 15-year-old suspected shooter was already in the school with a handgun when she opened fire, killing another student and teacher before taking her own life.

    During a Monday night news conference, school director of advancement Barbara Wiers didn't talk specifics but did offer some insight into some protocols at their school.

    "We do not have a school resource officer. Again, as a small school that is outside of our possibilities right now," Wiers said. "The students are aware that there are cameras in the building and we do monitor those regularly in the offices so we know what is happening."

    Wiers said they do not have metal detectors, but mentioned they keep building doors locked, monitor their 420 students routinely and recently went through drill retraining with their staff.

    "I was actually teaching at the time and so following those protocols as a teacher would do: We take care of making sure the door is secure, we shut the door down, we get the students to a safe part of the room and we prepare. The students handled themselves magnificently," Wiers said.

    Abundant Life Christian School had also previously provided blueprints and maps of the building to the Wisconsin Department of Justice. Wiers confirmed that officers and staff used maps to secure sections of the building after the shooting.

    Trish Kilpin, Wisconsin DOJ's Office of School Safety director, said it's likely someone knew something before the tragedy occurred.

    "When somebody conducts a school shooting, they don’t simply snap. They don’t just decide one day to engage in this egregious behavior," Kilpin said. "Instead, they make a decision and start research and planning towards an active violence, and when they are on that pathway to violence, they often demonstrate observable behaviors that others notice."

    ***HAD THIS SCHOOL USED METAL DETECTORS AND HAD SAFETY OFFICERS ON DUTY, THIS TRAGEDY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,078
    The following partial statement is attributed to Madison Police Chief Shon Barnes:
    UNBELIEVABLE!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    shecky said:

    MADISON, Wis. —

    A director with the Abundant Life Christian School spoke about safety and security following a shooting that left three people dead and six others injured.

    Police said the 15-year-old suspected shooter was already in the school with a handgun when she opened fire, killing another student and teacher before taking her own life.

    During a Monday night news conference, school director of advancement Barbara Wiers didn't talk specifics but did offer some insight into some protocols at their school.

    "We do not have a school resource officer. Again, as a small school that is outside of our possibilities right now," Wiers said. "The students are aware that there are cameras in the building and we do monitor those regularly in the offices so we know what is happening."

    Wiers said they do not have metal detectors, but mentioned they keep building doors locked, monitor their 420 students routinely and recently went through drill retraining with their staff.

    "I was actually teaching at the time and so following those protocols as a teacher would do: We take care of making sure the door is secure, we shut the door down, we get the students to a safe part of the room and we prepare. The students handled themselves magnificently," Wiers said.

    Abundant Life Christian School had also previously provided blueprints and maps of the building to the Wisconsin Department of Justice. Wiers confirmed that officers and staff used maps to secure sections of the building after the shooting.

    Trish Kilpin, Wisconsin DOJ's Office of School Safety director, said it's likely someone knew something before the tragedy occurred.

    "When somebody conducts a school shooting, they don’t simply snap. They don’t just decide one day to engage in this egregious behavior," Kilpin said. "Instead, they make a decision and start research and planning towards an active violence, and when they are on that pathway to violence, they often demonstrate observable behaviors that others notice."

    ***HAD THIS SCHOOL USED METAL DETECTORS AND HAD SAFETY OFFICERS ON DUTY, THIS TRAGEDY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

    I don’t believe this reporting. Only Andy No knows the truth and what really happened.
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    How anyone can advocate for any kind of legal gun blows the mind of the whole world except one country.. think about that.
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    shecky said:

    MADISON, Wis. —

    A director with the Abundant Life Christian School spoke about safety and security following a shooting that left three people dead and six others injured.

    Police said the 15-year-old suspected shooter was already in the school with a handgun when she opened fire, killing another student and teacher before taking her own life.

    During a Monday night news conference, school director of advancement Barbara Wiers didn't talk specifics but did offer some insight into some protocols at their school.

    "We do not have a school resource officer. Again, as a small school that is outside of our possibilities right now," Wiers said. "The students are aware that there are cameras in the building and we do monitor those regularly in the offices so we know what is happening."

    Wiers said they do not have metal detectors, but mentioned they keep building doors locked, monitor their 420 students routinely and recently went through drill retraining with their staff.

    "I was actually teaching at the time and so following those protocols as a teacher would do: We take care of making sure the door is secure, we shut the door down, we get the students to a safe part of the room and we prepare. The students handled themselves magnificently," Wiers said.

    Abundant Life Christian School had also previously provided blueprints and maps of the building to the Wisconsin Department of Justice. Wiers confirmed that officers and staff used maps to secure sections of the building after the shooting.

    Trish Kilpin, Wisconsin DOJ's Office of School Safety director, said it's likely someone knew something before the tragedy occurred.

    "When somebody conducts a school shooting, they don’t simply snap. They don’t just decide one day to engage in this egregious behavior," Kilpin said. "Instead, they make a decision and start research and planning towards an active violence, and when they are on that pathway to violence, they often demonstrate observable behaviors that others notice."

    ***HAD THIS SCHOOL USED METAL DETECTORS AND HAD SAFETY OFFICERS ON DUTY, THIS TRAGEDY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

    I’m surprised you didn’t say we need the teachers  to be armed or we need more guns 
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  • Spurs14Spurs14 Buffalo Grove, IL Posts: 271
    How anyone can advocate for any kind of legal gun blows the mind of the whole world except one country.. think about that.
    Think?  Don’t know if most people in the US are capable.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,251
    How anyone can advocate for any kind of legal gun blows the mind of the whole world except one country.. think about that.

    100% agree and wish we could follow the Japan model. Unfortunately, there is a significant portion of our country that supports the right to bear arms. The problem is that those guns end up in the wrong hands all too often. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    Get_Right said:
    How anyone can advocate for any kind of legal gun blows the mind of the whole world except one country.. think about that.

    100% agree and wish we could follow the Japan model. Unfortunately, there is a significant portion of our country that supports the right to bear arms. The problem is that those guns end up in the wrong hands all too often. 
    we can't even make them more difficult to get...pathetic

    But I've said it several times...the path we are on is for gun control and we will get to a point where no one will be able to argue against it.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,251
    If the guns are available, they will fall into the wrong hands. Even with strict laws. I will say that COVID made me think about having a shotgun in the house. But for now it is two Louisville sluggers.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    A shotgun is a good call. I have a pistol but probably need to get a shotty for close combat when the homeless hoard of magats take over.


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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,251
    What is odd is that I learned to shoot a 22 rifle at 10 years old. Riflery was part of summer camp. BBs then bullets. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,378
    Get_Right said:
    What is odd is that I learned to shoot a 22 rifle at 10 years old. Riflery was part of summer camp. BBs then bullets. 

    sounds like back when nra was more concerned about gun safety and education...
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,251
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    What is odd is that I learned to shoot a 22 rifle at 10 years old. Riflery was part of summer camp. BBs then bullets. 

    sounds like back when nra was more concerned about gun safety and education...

    I think it was regulated by the national rifle association. Not sure but safety was a big part of it. We always shot lying down at paper targets. It was a big deal to be shooting 22s. I also learned archery at camp reaching Bowman status. All before age 13. Crazy to think about it now.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    What is odd is that I learned to shoot a 22 rifle at 10 years old. Riflery was part of summer camp. BBs then bullets. 

    sounds like back when nra was more concerned about gun safety and education...

    I think it was regulated by the national rifle association. Not sure but safety was a big part of it. We always shot lying down at paper targets. It was a big deal to be shooting 22s. I also learned archery at camp reaching Bowman status. All before age 13. Crazy to think about it now.

  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,251
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    mace1229 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    What is odd is that I learned to shoot a 22 rifle at 10 years old. Riflery was part of summer camp. BBs then bullets. 

    sounds like back when nra was more concerned about gun safety and education...

    I think it was regulated by the national rifle association. Not sure but safety was a big part of it. We always shot lying down at paper targets. It was a big deal to be shooting 22s. I also learned archery at camp reaching Bowman status. All before age 13. Crazy to think about it now.


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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,631
    Get_Right said:
    How anyone can advocate for any kind of legal gun blows the mind of the whole world except one country.. think about that.

    100% agree and wish we could follow the Japan model. Unfortunately, there is a significant portion of our country that supports the right to bear arms. The problem is that those guns end up in the wrong hands all too often. 
    we can't even make them more difficult to get...pathetic

    But I've said it several times...the path we are on is for gun control and we will get to a point where no one will be able to argue against it.
    We'll be dead before that happens. The Supreme Court has (inexplicably) interpreted the Second Amendment as providing a right to individual gun ownership, and there won't be a majority of judges open to revisiting that interpretation for decades.
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,631
    Get_Right said:
    If the guns are available, they will fall into the wrong hands. Even with strict laws. I will say that COVID made me think about having a shotgun in the house. But for now it is two Louisville sluggers.
    Keep a gun in the house and the odds are that the most likely person to be injured by it will be someone living in the house, so good move with the bats. For one thing, it's very hard to kill oneself with a bat.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,251
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:
    If the guns are available, they will fall into the wrong hands. Even with strict laws. I will say that COVID made me think about having a shotgun in the house. But for now it is two Louisville sluggers.
    Keep a gun in the house and the odds are that the most likely person to be injured by it will be someone living in the house, so good move with the bats. For one thing, it's very hard to kill oneself with a bat.
    Bear Jew. I live in a place with no crime (knocks on wood) and I have teenagers. I could understand why someone might want a glock in the house if they lived somewhere with a higher incidence of crime. But there is no need for semi automatic weapons with large clips. 
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