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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,740
    edited July 30
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    shecky said:


    "Armed", as in with a gun. A nut with a knife - even a folding knife like in this case - can hurt a lot of people real fast.
    Are you trying to make a case against gun control efforts, sheckster? If so, it’s incredibly lame, particularly in bold.
    Wait til he finds out a guy with a shopping cart rammed the knife guy and disarmed him first.
    Don't make up your own facts. Your statement is a blatant lie.

    Yes, two different brave men rammed the stabber with shopping carts in the parking lot.

    But, as it has consistently been reported, it wasn't until the legally armed Marine pointed his handgun at the criminal and repeatedly demanded he drop his knife that he finally did. Then several men jumped on the stabber and detained him for the cops.

    It's also very significant to note that the armed Marine exercised the control and good judgement to not shoot the stabber.
    Obviously, it was the fear of being shot that caused the attacker to drop his weapon, ending the danger to the public.

    https://apnews.com/article/michigan-walmart-stabbing-matthew-kolakowski-3f231b61026b7d137ce7903a8327db49




    Post edited by shecky on
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,257
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.
    On average, how many guns do you and your friends own?    Do you feel like you would still be alive if you didn't have a gun?  
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,740
    edited July 30
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-york-city-midtown-manhattan-shooting-07-28-25
    I find it hard to believe that we have mass shootings everywhere and haven't had one in NYC in 25 years?
    It's *almost* as if gun laws work. 
    Or people actually change?  Dude was from out of state so it makes sense now.
    The very sad irony is that the building's security officer at the front desk who was shot and killed was unarmed.





    Post edited by shecky on
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,675
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.
    Why does it bother you that most here just want common sense gun laws? How long have the democrats been coming to take your precious guns away? Not one common sense law since Sandy Hook 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    shecky said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-york-city-midtown-manhattan-shooting-07-28-25
    I find it hard to believe that we have mass shootings everywhere and haven't had one in NYC in 25 years?
    It's *almost* as if gun laws work. 
    Or people actually change?  Dude was from out of state so it makes sense now.
    The very sad irony is that the building's security officer at the front desk who was shot and killed was unarmed.

    Had a legally armed and trained security officer been on duty, it is possible this tragedy could've been stopped before it started.




    Possibly...but the element of surprise is a big factor. 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,103
    shecky said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    shecky said:


    "Armed", as in with a gun. A nut with a knife - even a folding knife like in this case - can hurt a lot of people real fast.
    Are you trying to make a case against gun control efforts, sheckster? If so, it’s incredibly lame, particularly in bold.
    Wait til he finds out a guy with a shopping cart rammed the knife guy and disarmed him first.
    Don't make up your own facts. Your statement is a blatant lie.

    Yes, two different brave men rammed the stabber with shopping carts in the parking lot.

    But, as it has consistently been reported, it wasn't until the legally armed Marine pointed his handgun at the criminal and repeatedly demanded he drop his knife that he finally did. Then several men jumped on the stabber and detained him for the cops.

    It's also very significant to note that the armed Marine exercised the control and good judgement to not shoot the stabber.
    Obviously, it was the fear of being shot that caused the attacker to drop his weapon, ending the danger to the public.

    https://apnews.com/article/michigan-walmart-stabbing-matthew-kolakowski-3f231b61026b7d137ce7903a8327db49




    My bad.  That article has more details than what I read. So the rampage was stopped by shopping cart guy. The stabber was then cornered by another shopping cart guy and a gun guy and then dropped the knife.  
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,740
    Gern Blansten said:
    shecky said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-york-city-midtown-manhattan-shooting-07-28-25
    I find it hard to believe that we have mass shootings everywhere and haven't had one in NYC in 25 years?
    It's *almost* as if gun laws work. 
    Or people actually change?  Dude was from out of state so it makes sense now.
    The very sad irony is that the building's security officer at the front desk who was shot and killed was unarmed.

    Had a legally armed and trained security officer been on duty, it is possible this tragedy could've been stopped before it started.




    Possibly...but the element of surprise is a big factor. 
    Yes, that's true. However, I have a news article that stated the security officer saw the gunman enter the lobby so he ducked behind his desk. The shooter then walked over and shot him.
    Had the security officer been trained and armed maybe he could've shot first - we'll never know.
    I'm not sure how this "new and improved" Forum works yet but I was unable to figure out how to post the article's URL. Maybe I'll try again later...
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    shecky said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    shecky said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-york-city-midtown-manhattan-shooting-07-28-25
    I find it hard to believe that we have mass shootings everywhere and haven't had one in NYC in 25 years?
    It's *almost* as if gun laws work. 
    Or people actually change?  Dude was from out of state so it makes sense now.
    The very sad irony is that the building's security officer at the front desk who was shot and killed was unarmed.

    Had a legally armed and trained security officer been on duty, it is possible this tragedy could've been stopped before it started.




    Possibly...but the element of surprise is a big factor. 
    Yes, that's true. However, I have a news article that stated the security officer saw the gunman enter the lobby so he ducked behind his desk. The shooter then walked over and shot him.
    Had the security officer been trained and armed maybe he could've shot first - we'll never know.
    I'm not sure how this "new and improved" Forum works yet but I was unable to figure out how to post the article's URL. Maybe I'll try again later...
    again....possible...but if that was the gunman's first target then they were likely toast anyway. If security stands up and unholsters the weapon the gunman will act immediately

    I have to say that these arguments always pop up (if only everyone was armed then....) but that isn't the problem.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,808
    edited July 30
    shecky said:


    "Armed", as in with a gun. A nut with a knife - even a folding knife like in this case - can hurt a lot of people real fast.

    Now imagine how many would have been killed if the assailant had an AR15 instead of a knife, like the trump supporter who shot up the Walmart in El Paso a few years back. 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,133
    edited July 30
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.

    Just get rid of them and then mental health is a non-issue. Easier to eliminate guns than control the mental health of millions of people.
    Edit: Start with handguns. Keep your camo mossberg.
    Post edited by Get_Right on
  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,201
    Get_Right said:
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.

    Just get rid of them and then mental health is a non-issue. Easier to eliminate guns than control the mental health of millions of people.
    Edit: Start with handguns. Keep your camo mossberg.
    True, but then there will be a lot of cowards that won’t feel safe without the ability to kill somebody at any moment.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,133
    Vitalogensia said:
    Get_Right said:
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.

    Just get rid of them and then mental health is a non-issue. Easier to eliminate guns than control the mental health of millions of people.
    Edit: Start with handguns. Keep your camo mossberg.
    True, but then there will be a lot of cowards that won’t feel safe without the ability to kill somebody at any moment.

    It is no secret that the US has one, if not the highest, gun related homicide rate amongst developed nations. Fewer guns means less shooting. It is not complicated math. The only reason to allow guns is because other people have guns. Just get rid of them all.

    Unfortunately, it will not change anytime soon and I am not sure there is a way to repair what has already been allowed. Politicians have tried and failed time and time again. I go back to my Japan example. You can get a hunting rifle after extensive background checks, but no handguns for civilians. Ever. They have crime, but less people die.
  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,201
    edited July 31
    Get_Right said:
    Vitalogensia said:
    Get_Right said:
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.

    Just get rid of them and then mental health is a non-issue. Easier to eliminate guns than control the mental health of millions of people.
    Edit: Start with handguns. Keep your camo mossberg.
    True, but then there will be a lot of cowards that won’t feel safe without the ability to kill somebody at any moment.

    It is no secret that the US has one, if not the highest, gun related homicide rate amongst developed nations. Fewer guns means less shooting. It is not complicated math. The only reason to allow guns is because other people have guns. Just get rid of them all.

    Unfortunately, it will not change anytime soon and I am not sure there is a way to repair what has already been allowed. Politicians have tried and failed time and time again. I go back to my Japan example. You can get a hunting rifle after extensive background checks, but no handguns for civilians. Ever. They have crime, but less people die.
    Or to quote Bill Hicks from the early ‘90s: “England, where no one has guns: 14 deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns…23,000 deaths from handguns. But there’s no connection, and you’d be a fool and a communist to make one. There’s no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone.”
  • hunterh75
    hunterh75 Posts: 127
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.
     Maybe Jose will put a daisy in one of my barrels, lol.  Peace bro
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,186
    hunterh75 said:
    seanwon said:
    Get_Right said:
    Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  
    No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.
     Maybe Jose will put a daisy in one of my barrels, lol.  Peace bro
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-york-city-midtown-manhattan-shooting-07-28-25
    I find it hard to believe that we have mass shootings everywhere and haven't had one in NYC in 25 years?
    It's *almost* as if gun laws work. 
    Or people actually change?  Dude was from out of state so it makes sense now.
    Holy shit, dude. 

    No mass shootings in 25 years (your claim).... NY State has the 4th lowest rate of gun violence. Facts are facts.

    Gun laws work.

    https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/

    "We compared gun policy across the country, scoring every state on the strength of its gun laws and comparing it with its rate of gun violence. In states where elected officials have taken action to pass gun safety laws, fewer people die by gun violence. Choose a state to see how it stacks up on 50 key policies, or explore a policy to see how much of the country has adopted it."
    HOLY shit indeed!  NYS also had a tremendous increase in Concealed weapons permits and the state still manages to be safe. So, do people change or are the looser gun laws just an anomaly?
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,808
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-york-city-midtown-manhattan-shooting-07-28-25
    I find it hard to believe that we have mass shootings everywhere and haven't had one in NYC in 25 years?
    It's *almost* as if gun laws work. 
    Or people actually change?  Dude was from out of state so it makes sense now.
    Holy shit, dude. 

    No mass shootings in 25 years (your claim).... NY State has the 4th lowest rate of gun violence. Facts are facts.

    Gun laws work.

    https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/

    "We compared gun policy across the country, scoring every state on the strength of its gun laws and comparing it with its rate of gun violence. In states where elected officials have taken action to pass gun safety laws, fewer people die by gun violence. Choose a state to see how it stacks up on 50 key policies, or explore a policy to see how much of the country has adopted it."
    HOLY shit indeed!  NYS also had a tremendous increase in Concealed weapons permits and the state still manages to be safe. So, do people change or are the looser gun laws just an anomaly?
    IDK what conversation you're trying to have here. Are you pushing back on the assertion that gun laws work? 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,464
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-york-city-midtown-manhattan-shooting-07-28-25
    I find it hard to believe that we have mass shootings everywhere and haven't had one in NYC in 25 years?
    It's *almost* as if gun laws work. 
    Or people actually change?  Dude was from out of state so it makes sense now.
    Holy shit, dude. 

    No mass shootings in 25 years (your claim).... NY State has the 4th lowest rate of gun violence. Facts are facts.

    Gun laws work.

    https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/

    "We compared gun policy across the country, scoring every state on the strength of its gun laws and comparing it with its rate of gun violence. In states where elected officials have taken action to pass gun safety laws, fewer people die by gun violence. Choose a state to see how it stacks up on 50 key policies, or explore a policy to see how much of the country has adopted it."
    HOLY shit indeed!  NYS also had a tremendous increase in Concealed weapons permits and the state still manages to be safe. So, do people change or are the looser gun laws just an anomaly?
    IDK what conversation you're trying to have here. Are you pushing back on the assertion that gun laws work? 
    Opposite.  I am saying the culture can change.  We have more conceal carry permits now than ever in NY and it never turned into the wild west.

    It is not what the anti gun people were touting.  They expected to have shootouts on every street corner if CC was easier to get.

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