Penn State Scandal

comebackgirl

McQueary and Paterno both did the right thing initially. They both told their superiors what McQueary saw...that was the right thing to do. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, maybe at first they both thought it was going to be handled as it should be. But for years and years after that they saw Sandusky hanging around with young boys, bringing them to events, sharing hotel rooms with them, etc. Wouldn't that raise a red flag that things hadn't been resolved? That this guy was still perpetrating? I mean at some point didn't they realize something more had to be done? I just don't get it.

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

norm wrote:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jack_mccallum/11/08/sandusky/

http://deadspin.com/5858278/

Was just going to ask you if you saw that about Joe Poz. Pretty interesting. Don't know what to make of it. Deadspin is accusing him of getting blinded but from his article the other day and reading Poz for as long as I have, I have a hard time believing that.

Wow - Joe Poz is in the middle of writing a book about JoePa. This is going to change his life. He won't get blinded - I agree with Cliffy.

Bronx Bombers

comebackgirl wrote:

McQuearly and Paterno both did the right thing initially.  They both told their superiors what McQueary saw...that was the right thing to do.  

McQueary shouldve stopped it, instead he let Sandusky continue raping the boy. How did he know Sandusky wouldn't kill that poor child afterwards. 

MM was 28 years old at the time, 6'4 ex star QB he was more than physically capable of stopping it, imagine how that kid felt when he left the room, he has no defense he didn't do the right thing and he should be ashamed. 

Phantom Pain

I was listening to sports talk they a reporter on from the Beaver
Times that wrote about the story in April of this year. He thinks MM
is still there so he can't blow this up even more. They're keeping
in the hopes he keeps his mouth shut. It makes sense with this guy
being the eye witness and could possibly prove that JP has committed
perjury.


Even the whole story of the DA going missing and his laptop being
found with the hard drive missing is really looking suspicious.

josevolution

This scandal is so damm dark i hope that some day it all comes to light and all the people that are involved get punished i know that might be asking alot , and i really hope the victims somehow can get past this horrible chapter in their lives ....

EdsonNascimento

Phantom Pain wrote:

I was listening to sports talk they a reporter on from the Beaver
Times that wrote about the story in April of this year. He thinks MM
is still there so he can't blow this up even more. They're keeping
in the hopes he keeps his mouth shut. It makes sense with this guy
being the eye witness and could possibly prove that JP has committed
perjury.


Even the whole story of the DA going missing and his laptop being
found with the hard drive missing is really looking suspicious.

If that's true, then MM really doesn't get it, and he and his dad are worse people than I initially thought (Which was pretty bad). He needs to come clean. And if it means he never gets another job, so be it. He owes at least that much (And actually more) to all the children he was complicit in damaging.

MrMerkinball

Very Good article from one of my favorite Sports Writers here in Toronto.

Calls for the shut down of the Penn State program for a year.

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/

comebackgirl

Bronx Bombers wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

McQuearly and Paterno both did the right thing initially.  They both told their superiors what McQueary saw...that was the right thing to do.  

McQueary shouldve stopped it, instead he let Sandusky continue raping the boy. How did he know Sandusky wouldn't kill that poor child afterwards. 

MM was 28 years old at the time, 6'4 ex star QB he was more than physically capable of stopping it, imagine how that kid felt when he left the room, he has no defense he didn't do the right thing and he should be ashamed. 

Yeah that's what sticks with me. The grand jury report says that Sandusky and the kid both saw McQueary in the locker room...the kid knew someone witnessed the abuse and didn't stop it. That must have just compounded the feelings of shame, hopelessness, worthlessness. I just can't see any reason that if he didn't stop it in the moment...he didn't do more afterwards.

Ledbetterman10

MrMerkinball wrote:

Very Good article from one of my favorite Sports Writers here in Toronto.

Calls for the shut down of the Penn State program for a year.

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/

I don't agree with this. I think the entire staff will be gone next year but canceling the season would punish the players wouldn't be fair. Like say for instance if a professor was fired, they wouldn't just cancel all the classes cause that wouldn't be fair to the students. So ya fire Joe to take some heat off and you insert Bradley for now. But let's face it: Bradley, as a defensive coach, probably spent more time around Sudusky than even Paterno did. He must have known about the 1998 charges cause that led to Sudusky's retirement which led to Bradley getting his job. Just finish the season with what ya got and start all over from scratch next year.

EdsonNascimento

comebackgirl wrote:

Yeah that's what sticks with me. The grand jury report says that Sandusky and the kid both saw McQueary in the locker room...the kid knew someone witnessed the abuse and didn't stop it. That must have just compounded the feelings of shame, hopelessness, worthlessness. I just can't see any reason that if he didn't stop it in the moment...he didn't do more afterwards.

It's a 28 year old "man" who needed to go to his daddy for advice on who he shoud tell. Whose daddy then told him - go to Joe Paterno - not the police (maybe, he didn't say those words, but that's the effect). And now after seeing all this going on around him and how many more victims there are (or at least have been reported so far), still feels it appropriate to be coaching kids that were the boys age that he saw being abused at the time he was being abused.

I think the McQueary character has been shown, and it is really not all that surprising in hind sight that this "man" thought the proper authority was not the police.

I hope he gets pelted with whatever can hit him without it hitting anyone around him on Saturday. And if one person calls him brave for showing up, then that person's character has been shown. Bravery would have been saving that poor kid's life (and every one that came after). Bravery, morality and humanity are not in the McQueary family crest.

EdsonNascimento

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

MrMerkinball wrote:

Very Good article from one of my favorite Sports Writers here in Toronto.

Calls for the shut down of the Penn State program for a year.

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/

I don't agree with this. I think the entire staff will be gone next year but canceling the season would punish the players wouldn't be fair. Like say for instance if a professor was fired, they wouldn't just cancel all the classes cause that wouldn't be fair to the students. So ya fire Joe to take some heat off and you insert Bradley for now. But let's face it: Bradley, as a defensive coach, probably spent more time around Sudusky than even Paterno did. He must have known about the 1998 charges cause that led to Sudusky's retirement which led to Bradley getting his job. Just finish the season with what ya got and start all over from scratch next year.

The players would be allowed to transfer without waiting the normal year if this was done. Yes, that's not ideal. But, sometimes there is collateral damage when you do the right thing. But, that does not make the right thing and less right.

comebackgirl

EdsonNascimento wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Yeah that's what sticks with me. The grand jury report says that Sandusky and the kid both saw McQueary in the locker room...the kid knew someone witnessed the abuse and didn't stop it. That must have just compounded the feelings of shame, hopelessness, worthlessness. I just can't see any reason that if he didn't stop it in the moment...he didn't do more afterwards.

It's a 28 year old "man" who needed to go to his daddy for advice on who he shoud tell. Whose daddy then told him - go to Joe Paterno - not the police (maybe, he didn't say those words, but that's the effect). And now after seeing all this going on around him and how many more victims there are (or at least have been reported so far), still feels it appropriate to be coaching kids that were the boys age that he saw being abused at the time he was being abused.

I think the McQueary character has been shown, and it is really not all that surprising in hind sight that this "man" thought the proper authority was not the police.

I hope he gets pelted with whatever can hit him without it hitting anyone around him on Saturday. And if one person calls him brave for showing up, then that person's character has been shown. Bravery would have been saving that poor kid's life (and every one that came after). Bravery, morality and humanity are not in the McQueary family crest.

It's sickening to think of how many kids have been abused, but it's even more sickening to think about how many kids have been abused since the first allegations came to light. Someone needed to step up. I'm sure there were already dozens of victims by that point, but so many other assaults could have been prevented. It's been 13 years since that first shower incident was reported! There is just no excuse.

Bronx Bombers

Here's a copy of a letter McQueary sent to recruits.

Monster Rain

I can't imagine what went through that kid's mind when he saw McQueary. For a brief moment, he must have felt the relief of someone showing up to save him and then the realization that the person who had shown up was a coward. I just hope that kid hasn't killed himself so he can come forward and testify against Sandusky and, if he chooses, let McQueary kow exactly what kind of impact he had on his life so that McQueary can never try to rationalize what ahppened that day with thoughts like, "Well, I'm sure he stopped when I left because he thought I was getting the police."

comebackgirl wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

McQuearly and Paterno both did the right thing initially.  They both told their superiors what McQueary saw...that was the right thing to do.  

McQueary shouldve stopped it, instead he let Sandusky continue raping the boy. How did he know Sandusky wouldn't kill that poor child afterwards. 

MM was 28 years old at the time, 6'4 ex star QB he was more than physically capable of stopping it, imagine how that kid felt when he left the room, he has no defense he didn't do the right thing and he should be ashamed. 

Yeah that's what sticks with me. The grand jury report says that Sandusky and the kid both saw McQueary in the locker room...the kid knew someone witnessed the abuse and didn't stop it. That must have just compounded the feelings of shame, hopelessness, worthlessness. I just can't see any reason that if he didn't stop it in the moment...he didn't do more afterwards.

EdsonNascimento

comebackgirl wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

It's a 28 year old "man" who needed to go to his daddy for advice on who he shoud tell. Whose daddy then told him - go to Joe Paterno - not the police (maybe, he didn't say those words, but that's the effect). And now after seeing all this going on around him and how many more victims there are (or at least have been reported so far), still feels it appropriate to be coaching kids that were the boys age that he saw being abused at the time he was being abused.

I think the McQueary character has been shown, and it is really not all that surprising in hind sight that this "man" thought the proper authority was not the police.

I hope he gets pelted with whatever can hit him without it hitting anyone around him on Saturday. And if one person calls him brave for showing up, then that person's character has been shown. Bravery would have been saving that poor kid's life (and every one that came after). Bravery, morality and humanity are not in the McQueary family crest.

It's sickening to think of how many kids have been abused, but it's even more sickening to think about how many kids have been abused since the first allegations came to light. Someone needed to step up. I'm sure there were already dozens of victims by that point, but so many other assaults could have been prevented. It's been 13 years since that first shower incident was reported! There is just no excuse.

Exactly. And that is what McQueary, Paterno and the Penn State Students on parade don't get. Lives that have been irreparably damaged could have been saved by 1 brave sole stepping up to do their moral duty. And it belies the arrogance of Paterno's - don't worry I'll retire, don't fire me speech. Makes his prayer line a throw away. Wonder if he really even means it. Another in the long line of sorry because he got caught.

norm

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... comprehend

Indifference71

Bronx Bombers wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

McQuearly and Paterno both did the right thing initially.  They both told their superiors what McQueary saw...that was the right thing to do.  

McQueary shouldve stopped it, instead he let Sandusky continue raping the boy. How did he know Sandusky wouldn't kill that poor child afterwards. 

MM was 28 years old at the time, 6'4 ex star QB he was more than physically capable of stopping it, imagine how that kid felt when he left the room, he has no defense he didn't do the right thing and he should be ashamed. 

What a coward McQueary is.

81

Indifference71 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

McQuearly and Paterno both did the right thing initially.  They both told their superiors what McQueary saw...that was the right thing to do.  

McQueary shouldve stopped it, instead he let Sandusky continue raping the boy. How did he know Sandusky wouldn't kill that poor child afterwards. 

MM was 28 years old at the time, 6'4 ex star QB he was more than physically capable of stopping it, imagine how that kid felt when he left the room, he has no defense he didn't do the right thing and he should be ashamed. 

What a coward McQueary is.

i'm confused....the one guy that had the first hand knowledge of what happened is still employed, yet all these other people have been fired or they stepped down.

Ledbetterman10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXCZKUp4 ... re=related

Indifference71

81 wrote:

i'm confused....the one guy that had the first hand knowledge of what happened is still employed, yet all these other people have been fired or they stepped down.

Yep, the whole thing is completely fucked. Is it possible that Penn State could have handled this whole thing any worse?