Penn State Scandal

Wma31394

chadwick wrote:

again, i gotta say, i am amazed that more child molesters are not killed or at least smacked around a bit. if i had a child or children and some dude molested them, i am afraid shit would hit the fan.

this joe pa guy must be a none confrontational type a guy. fuck that noise. that doesn't always work. being the silent low key guy in this kind of situation is not a good road to take obviously. he could have been a bigger hero than he already is if he'd only have knocked this fuckin child molester dude smooth unconscious.

Being killed should be the consequence when convicted of child molestation. Make it the law and less people will do it...when i mean killed I mean they should be stoned or slowly tortured to death.

Google joe pa and take a look at him and tell me if you think he is confrontational.

josevolution

Cliffy6745 wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

It's not about football, you're missing the point. It's the same reason so many people continue to be catholic and pour money into the church. Joe was always bigger and better than everyone and inspired almost every one of these kids in one way or another. He did so much good for so many people they don't want to believe this is real. Just like the millions who pour into mass every Sunday choose to ignore the same issues. Joe is bigger than football, he was a hero to these kids and it's impossible for them to understand this.

All true but when the real kids needed him to be their hero he failed them what don't you get about that point those young boys needed a hero at the most crucila time of their young lives and no one stepped to the plate .......The kids needed a real life hero and none came to their rescue ughh

I don't disagree with you a little bit on that. I never have. He should have done a whole lot more.

And i totally get your points and feel for everyone that has been affected it's time to move on it's a sad day in College football ...

Cliffy6745

Bradley Press Conference

http://btn.com/btn-guide/btn-breaking-n ... ing-video/

Ledbetterman10

Interesting article written 7 months ago about the Sudusky cover-up

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/s ... f6878.html

pjhawks

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Interesting article written 7 months ago about the Sudusky cover-up

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/s ... f6878.html

i've just saw a story online where this same columunist has mentioned a rumor about sandusky and the second mile charity that if true is even more horrific and dispicable that what has occurred so far.

igotid88

So McQueery still isn't fired?

Cliffy6745

Statement fromthe interim president

http://live.psu.edu/story/56307#nw4

Yellow Ledbelly

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Interesting article written 7 months ago about the Sudusky cover-up

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/s ... f6878.html

Interesting indeed. Like I said before, the cover up has to go far beyond the gates of Penn State.

Bronx Bombers

Reading maddens story that he wrote back in april how the hell did the story not blow up right back than. Everything about this story is very suspicious. The  news eventually broke during a off week right after Paterno secured the all time wins record so my question is was the timing of this coordinated so Joe could get the record. 

I'm surprised they didn't wait another week because paterno is tied with Alonzo Stagg for the most games coached, it's no wonder he was so desperately trying to hang on. 

Ledbetterman10

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I'm surprised they didn't wait another week because paterno is tied with Alonzo Stagg for the most games coached, it's no wonder he was so desperately trying to hang on. 

That's why I'm very impressed that the Board of Trustees actually fired him. Silly crap like passing Stagg's record and other football-related legacy stuff REALLY DOES matter at PSU because that's the culture. And by firing him, they really made a statement that "we are going to change our ways, and it starts with people realizing there's more important things in the world than football"

Monster Rain

I think the story didn't break back then because there still wasn't an indictment at that time. Now that there's an indictment and details of the Grand Jury testimony it's obvious to everyone that Paterno, Curley, etc. all failed to do the right thing regardless of whether they did or didn't fulfill their legal obligations.

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Reading maddens story that he wrote back in april how the hell did the story not blow up right back than. Everything about this story is very suspicious. The  news eventually broke during a off week right after Paterno secured the all time wins record so my question is was the timing of this coordinated so Joe could get the record. 

I'm surprised they didn't wait another week because paterno is tied with Alonzo Stagg for the most games coached, it's no wonder he was so desperately trying to hang on. 

Cliffy6745

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I'm surprised they didn't wait another week because paterno is tied with Alonzo Stagg for the most games coached, it's no wonder he was so desperately trying to hang on. 

That's why I'm very impressed that the Board of Trustees actually fired him. Silly crap like passing Stagg's record and other football-related legacy stuff REALLY DOES matter at PSU because that's the culture. And by firing him, they really made a statement that "we are going to change our ways, and it starts with people realizing there's more important things in the world than football"

This is bullshit. They fired him for PR. It was their only choice. If they really meant it Curley would be long gone, you know the guy who was actually arrested for lying and covering it up. The guy is on a leave and they are paying his legal bills. I am not defending Paternos lack of action, I am simply stating you are completely off base as to why he was fired.

Ledbetterman10

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I'm surprised they didn't wait another week because paterno is tied with Alonzo Stagg for the most games coached, it's no wonder he was so desperately trying to hang on. 

That's why I'm very impressed that the Board of Trustees actually fired him. Silly crap like passing Stagg's record and other football-related legacy stuff REALLY DOES matter at PSU because that's the culture. And by firing him, they really made a statement that "we are going to change our ways, and it starts with people realizing there's more important things in the world than football"

This is bullshit. They fired him for PR. It was their only choice. If they really meant it Curley would be long gone, you know the guy who was actually arrested for lying and covering it up. The guy is on a leave and they are paying his legal bills. I am not defending Paternos lack of action, I am simply stating you are completely off base as to why he was fired.

I should have been more clear, when I said that the board is saying "we are going to change our ways, and it starts with people realizing there's more important things in the world than football", I meant that they mean that as a (very proper) PR move. That's what I'm trying to explain to all my PSU-loving moronic facebook friends who can't believe he was fired. The entire national media has been KILLING the school and outrage grew every passing minute that Paterno remained coach. The board of trustees by saying "We're doing what's in our best interest", is making a PR move, but it's also the first step in making people regain trust in the university.

Cliffy6745

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I should have been more clear, when I said that the board is saying "we are going to change our ways, and it starts with people realizing there's more important things in the world than football", I meant that they mean that as a (very proper) PR move. That's what I'm trying to explain to all my PSU-loving moronic facebook friends who can't believe he was fired. The entire national media has been KILLING the school and outrage grew every passing minute that Paterno remained coach. The board of trustees by saying "We're doing what's in our best interest", is making a PR move, but it's also the first step in making people regain trust in the university.

Fair enough and that's what I have been saying as well, although I am somwhat of a PSU-loving moron, more reasonable than most I would like to think. The only reason he is gone is because of the heat, not that he didn't deserve it, but the fact that Curley is still employed boggles mu fucking mind.

Empty Glass

igotid88 wrote:

So McQueery still isn't fired?

Note: I fully understand that the football part of this is minor. I also agree that Joe had to go after this to start "cleaning" things up. But to answer this....

Nope and this proves to me that this was a witch hunt to finally fire Paterno. The powers that be have been looking for a way to fire him since '04.

I've yet to see anything on this, but a friend of mine told me that allegedly members of the Board knew about these allegations for some time. A hypocritical mess!

norm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... /sandusky/

http://deadspin.com/5858278/

Ledbetterman10

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I should have been more clear, when I said that the board is saying "we are going to change our ways, and it starts with people realizing there's more important things in the world than football", I meant that they mean that as a (very proper) PR move. That's what I'm trying to explain to all my PSU-loving moronic facebook friends who can't believe he was fired. The entire national media has been KILLING the school and outrage grew every passing minute that Paterno remained coach. The board of trustees by saying "We're doing what's in our best interest", is making a PR move, but it's also the first step in making people regain trust in the university.

Fair enough and that's what I have been saying as well, although I am somwhat of a PSU-loving moron, more reasonable than most I would like to think. The only reason he is gone is because of the heat, not that he didn't deserve it, but the fact that Curley is still employed boggles mu fucking mind.

"PSU-loving moron" might be harsh but some of the facebook posts I've seen over the last day have been ridiculous. As for Curly, there might be some legal stuff (that I have no clue about) that allots him a leave of absence to deal with his charges or something. He surly won't continue in his position. But maybe for legal reasons he can't yet be fired because he has denied all the criminal charges and they have to let due-process take it's course. Paterno only faces moral charges and having already been found guilty in the court of public opinion, I think firing him was proper.

Cliffy6745

norm wrote:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jack_mccallum/11/08/sandusky/

http://deadspin.com/5858278/

Was just going to ask you if you saw that about Joe Poz. Pretty interesting. Don't know what to make of it. Deadspin is accusing him of getting blinded but from his article the other day and reading Poz for as long as I have, I have a hard time believing that.

Cliffy6745

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

"PSU-loving moron" might be harsh but some of the facebook posts I've seen over the last day have been ridiculous. As for Curly, there might be some legal stuff (that I have no clue about) that allots him a leave of absence to deal with his charges or something. He surly won't continue in his position. But maybe for legal reasons he can't yet be fired because he has denied all the criminal charges and they have to let due-process take it's course. Paterno only faces moral charges and having already been found guilty in the court of public opinion, I think firing him was proper.

We are splitting hairs here, but I dont see how Paterno can be fired when the person he went to and was responsible for going to is still employed. Penn State didn't have a choice with the national media, but the Curley question needs to be answered. I can only think that they are trying to keep Curley quiet, there is no other explanation.

norm

Cliffy6745 wrote:

norm wrote:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jack_mccallum/11/08/sandusky/

http://deadspin.com/5858278/

Was just going to ask you if you saw that about Joe Poz. Pretty interesting. Don't know what to make of it. Deadspin is accusing him of getting blinded but from his article the other day and reading Poz for as long as I have, I have a hard time believing that.

I think for the people that are close to joepa this whole thing has shocked them into disbelief...why would this man of such high moral character allow this to happen? i'm sure joepo will come around once the magnitude of what has happened has set in...i think that will happen for most people that are close to joepa