Of course death is not the solution to ALL the ails us, but where was this guy's compassion? My dad was killed and the people who did it, is living freely... so i have a biased view on this matter, but that's the point, only those who have lost someone in an horrible way know how does it feels, granted not all those who pass through that approve the death penalty but they normally understand those who agree with it.
i'm not saying everyone who lives has compassion ... clearly that is not the case ...
it's also not to say life is fair or just ... all we need to do is read the news to figure that out ... but again - it comes down to what kind of world you want to live in and your personal value system ... i can read the same story as the OP and feel utter contempt for the murderer but killing this person solves nothing but rather justifies killing of someone is ok ... this belief has led us to honour killings, wars and ethnic cleansing ... if everyone valued life the same way - i would suspect we would have a lot less of that ...
this belief has led us to honour killings, wars and ethnic cleansing ... if everyone valued life the same way - i would suspect we would have a lot less of that ...
Oh c'mon, the death penalty had led us to honor ethnic cleansing? Really? Nice.
I'm against it, mistakes are made in court, wrong people convicted, it does happen sometimes. But mostly it's the COST that i'm against, someone on death row gets a MINIUM amount of appeals, that cost 10's of millions of dollars in court fees and if the accussed actualy has a case, it could cost 2-3 hundred million to kill them, it's just not worth it.
Once again, I think that death penalty is the easy way out for these sick fucks...
Put him him a tiny cell with pictures of the crime scene on the walls of his children he killed... see if that drives him insane. Only let him out to get gang raped and beat by other prisoners.
Why is death the easy way out? Nothing easy about death. I would much rather be in a cell for the rest of my life watching tv and living rent free and get 3 free hot meals a day. As a tax payer I don't like my money going food that feeds these people, I don't like my money going to giving shelter to them. Get where I'm going? Sitting in a cell for the rest of my life sounds better than death penalty. Jail is not always gang rapes and just sitting around looking at the wall. Some of these murderers have tvs, books, paint supplies in their cells.
Money isn't an argument... it's been shown time and time again, that it actually costs the state more to execute someone than to imprison them for life.
And yes, I want their stay in prison to be as painful (physically and mentally) as possible, but sometimes that is not the case. But in the end, at least to me, it's better than killing someone in some sort of state sponsored revenge (because obviously it's not a deterrent to people).
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I'm against it, mistakes are made in court, wrong people convicted, it does happen sometimes. But mostly it's the COST that i'm against, someone on death row gets a MINIUM amount of appeals, that cost 10's of millions of dollars in court fees and if the accussed actualy has a case, it could cost 2-3 hundred million to kill them, it's just not worth it.
just like it costs the army 900 dollars for a toilet seat
it's a scam
another money grab
how much does a bullet cost
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Oh c'mon, the death penalty had led us to honor ethnic cleansing? Really? Nice.
you misinterpret ... it is the belief that killing people can solve problems ...
and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?
Oh c'mon, the death penalty had led us to honor ethnic cleansing? Really? Nice.
you misinterpret ... it is the belief that killing people can solve problems ...
and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
If you would like to take advantage of those freedoms you mentioned - Go commit a crime.
and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?
i thought we were having a serious conversation on the death penalty?
and if you murdered someone, which would you choose?
death?
or prison?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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I'm against it, mistakes are made in court, wrong people convicted, it does happen sometimes. But mostly it's the COST that i'm against, someone on death row gets a MINIUM amount of appeals, that cost 10's of millions of dollars in court fees and if the accussed actualy has a case, it could cost 2-3 hundred million to kill them, it's just not worth it.
just like it costs the army 900 dollars for a toilet seat
it's a scam
another money grab
how much does a bullet cost
like 50 Cents!!! hell give me an axe a small room and like 2 minutes, reuse recycle and reduce!!!
and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?
i thought we were having a serious conversation on the death penalty?
and if you murdered someone, which would you choose?
death?
or prison?
If I murdered someone (personally) I would prefer death.... I can't imagine living a life surrounded by four walls....
i pose the question, death penalty or prison, and some people here suggest that i commit murder so i can go to prison to "enjoy" it.
what is wrong with you
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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i pose the question, death penalty or prison, and some people here suggest that i commit murder so i can go to prison to "enjoy" it.
what is wrong with you
I said commit a crime if you think the luxuries of prison are so nice..... I never said kill someone....Specifically to your previous post.... had nothing to do with killing someone.... (not sure if this comment was directed at me)
i pose the question, death penalty or prison, and some people here suggest that i commit murder so i can go to prison to "enjoy" it.
what is wrong with you
Umm, I might not be the smartest guy in the world, but I detected a hint of sarcasm in Polaris-x's post. It was probably in response to how you painted prison like it was a country club. Wow, sarcasm against sarcasm? interesting.
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.
I used to agree with the death penalty. But once I started hearing about the wronfully accused I quickly changed my stance. If ONE person lost their life to the death penalty who was innocent, then it is an extremely flawed system.
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.
i'm only talking about the 100% cases
the dna cases
the full admittance cases
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?
i thought we were having a serious conversation on the death penalty?
and if you murdered someone, which would you choose?
death?
or prison?
i thought so too until you started making prison seem like a trip to the HIlton ...
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.
i'm only talking about the 100% cases
the dna cases
the full admittance cases
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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MANSFIELD 9-15-98
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BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
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BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
If someone ever killed my wife and kids, that person would die one way or the other. Would it bring back my family? No. Would it make me feel at least a little better that he wasn't breathing the same air as me, seeing the same sun as me, bathed in the same moon as me? Yes.
I think holding this view is pathetically sad.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?
i thought we were having a serious conversation on the death penalty?
and if you murdered someone, which would you choose?
death?
or prison?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Another basic argument against the death penalty is that our system is too flawed to hand down a penalty that has such finality. I was just reading today about how juries have to be racially balanced to ensure a fair trial. The only thing that says to me is that we're now acknowledging that people NEVER get fair trials due to the prejudices that people have.
Let's face it, murdering someone else is not going to make you feel better. The only thing that will make you feel better is finding a way to come to peace with what's happened.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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i'm not saying everyone who lives has compassion ... clearly that is not the case ...
it's also not to say life is fair or just ... all we need to do is read the news to figure that out ... but again - it comes down to what kind of world you want to live in and your personal value system ... i can read the same story as the OP and feel utter contempt for the murderer but killing this person solves nothing but rather justifies killing of someone is ok ... this belief has led us to honour killings, wars and ethnic cleansing ... if everyone valued life the same way - i would suspect we would have a lot less of that ...
Oh c'mon, the death penalty had led us to honor ethnic cleansing? Really? Nice.
you misinterpret ... it is the belief that killing people can solve problems ...
again-
:thumbup:
Killing someone certainly keeps them from killing anyone else. But I see your point.
that's all i know.
why has no one slain bin laden?
unbelievable.
why hasn't anyone?
i guess he deserves to live :twisted:
hitler & his monsters... why didn't anyone stop it way before it got out of hand?
evil is to be dealt with as soon as possible.
and war???
war is terrible.
oh my god is it horrible.
what do we do?
as a fellow human being
we gotta love man
sometimes love is a bullet between the eyes of a piece of shit evil predator.
call me goofy but that's how i see it.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
WW MMX would be underway, yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Money isn't an argument... it's been shown time and time again, that it actually costs the state more to execute someone than to imprison them for life.
And yes, I want their stay in prison to be as painful (physically and mentally) as possible, but sometimes that is not the case. But in the end, at least to me, it's better than killing someone in some sort of state sponsored revenge (because obviously it's not a deterrent to people).
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
just like it costs the army 900 dollars for a toilet seat
it's a scam
another money grab
how much does a bullet cost
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?
If you would like to take advantage of those freedoms you mentioned - Go commit a crime.
i thought we were having a serious conversation on the death penalty?
and if you murdered someone, which would you choose?
death?
or prison?
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
like 50 Cents!!! hell give me an axe a small room and like 2 minutes, reuse recycle and reduce!!!
If I murdered someone (personally) I would prefer death.... I can't imagine living a life surrounded by four walls....
i pose the question, death penalty or prison, and some people here suggest that i commit murder so i can go to prison to "enjoy" it.
what is wrong with you
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
I said commit a crime if you think the luxuries of prison are so nice..... I never said kill someone....Specifically to your previous post.... had nothing to do with killing someone.... (not sure if this comment was directed at me)
Umm, I might not be the smartest guy in the world, but I detected a hint of sarcasm in Polaris-x's post. It was probably in response to how you painted prison like it was a country club. Wow, sarcasm against sarcasm? interesting.
but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.
I used to agree with the death penalty. But once I started hearing about the wronfully accused I quickly changed my stance. If ONE person lost their life to the death penalty who was innocent, then it is an extremely flawed system.
i'm only talking about the 100% cases
the dna cases
the full admittance cases
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MANSFIELD 9-15-98
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MANSFIELD 6-30-08
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BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
i thought so too until you started making prison seem like a trip to the HIlton ...
i would choose prison but wish i was dead
those cases are very rare.
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BOSTON 5-17-10
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WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
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I think holding this view is pathetically sad.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Your choice (and descriptions to go along with it) reminds me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjcuZ-LiSY
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Let's face it, murdering someone else is not going to make you feel better. The only thing that will make you feel better is finding a way to come to peace with what's happened.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.