doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
Hope you aren't referring to Chad, Ed, or myself, or you just couldn't be more wrong. I am as anti all those things as you will ever find.
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i know that this thread is 66 pages long now, and please forgive me for reposting something i posted back in the very beginning. i just want to mention it again in case new people to the thread don't go back to the beginning. no one has commented on this, and that's ok, i just thought it might give a victims insight. there's some heartbreaking stories here. the death penalty is not the answer. please don't think it gives the victims families closure. it really doesn't.
if anyone is interested, there's a very good website out there that opposes the death penalty. they campaign on behalf of murder victims and their families.
their aim is "to put real faces on victim opposition to the death penalty by presenting photos and statements from survivors throughout the United States and around the world, along with photos of the murder victim and links to further information."
these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty. some of them have witnessed the dealth penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.
doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
Hope you aren't referring to Chad, Ed, or myself, or you just couldn't be more wrong. I am as anti all those things as you will ever find.
i was talking in general. not you three specifically. look at the states that carry out such penalties, texas (who kills mentally challenged prisoners by the way), florida, missouri, utah, and those countries in the middle east are all right wing religious countries and all of the governments in those states and countries support the DP..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Personally, I think an good guage of stance on the DP is whether or not you, YOURSELF, could pull the trigger as the executioner on a person and live with it.
Can you support something that you couldnt do yourself?
I get angry as fuck hearing about murderers and people who wear other peoples skin and keep their eyeballs in jars and heads in refrigerators... but could I end their life? me personally? no fucking way.
doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
Hope you aren't referring to Chad, Ed, or myself, or you just couldn't be more wrong. I am as anti all those things as you will ever find.
i was talking in general. not you three specifically. look at the states that carry out such penalties, texas (who kills mentally challenged prisoners by the way), florida, missouri, utah, and those countries in the middle east are all right wing religious countries and all of the governments in those states and countries support the DP..
Yes, it is one giant hypocritical clusterfuck. That's why I don't hamstring myself with religious conviction.
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Personally, I think an good guage of stance on the DP is whether or not you, YOURSELF, could pull the trigger as the executioner on a person and live with it.
Can you support something that you couldnt do yourself?
I get angry as fuck hearing about murderers and people who wear other peoples skin and keep their eyeballs in jars and heads in refrigerators... but could I end their life? me personally? no fucking way.
Around here, you gotta know when to not answer a question...
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ppl like eyed and myself and others in this thread who don't stand for evil bullshit.
but please dont confuse this debate with some of us not standing up to evil people, aka murderers, animals, and monsters. It's just the punishment we're talking about. I don't stand for evil and I doubt anyone else in here does.
And I still don't buy any kind of definitive morality about taking another life. Just because you feel that way, doesn't make it so.
how can you even pretend that it's not immoral to take another human life? that's what seperates us from the "monsters" that Chadwick keeps regailing us with stories of!
I'll say it for an 87th time..........and please answer this time...........someone........WHAT gives anyone the right to take the life of another human being? And don't use "they gave up their rights to live yadda yadda yadda". Where was it stated in some divine book that told you that they gave up their right to live for x crime? Who decided this? Tell me! Who??
I always like it when someone asks a question and then tells people how they can or can't answer them.
Look, I get your position, and I move closer to the same most everyday. But I will try and answer you question even using the rules you laid out.
What gives anyone the right to take the life of another? Well, it is called laws. Written by man. Some have been good, other have been bad. But that is what gives someone the right. And, in my case, when I believe the death penalty is appropriate, it is because I don't believe it is worth the risk to other human beings to keep someone alive. Risk to the general population, risk to other inmates of lesser crimes, risk to correctional officers (maybe my main concern). Should we be putting these people at risk by dealing with a murderous individual? If you take away the death penalty and give life without parole, why would an inmate comply with the correction officers? What keeps them from doing something terrible? It concerns me. If they are put to death, then there is no way for them to kill again. So, that how I justify it. Though, as I said, I waver on it often. I'm a flip-flopper.
doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
Do you realize that you can have fiscal conservative views and not be religious?
Can you support something that you couldnt do yourself?
I'm not sure the pro-choice people would agree that you'd have to be willing to do something yourself in order to support it....or so they have told me.
doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
Do you realize that you can have fiscal conservative views and not be religious?
in that case a fiscal conservative would be against the death penalty, as covered on page 64 or 65..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
Hope you aren't referring to Chad, Ed, or myself, or you just couldn't be more wrong. I am as anti all those things as you will ever find.
what is religion?
who ever said "thou salt not kill" doesn't live on earth and isn't a monster or human.
ppl like eyed and myself and others in this thread who don't stand for evil bullshit.
but please dont confuse this debate with some of us not standing up to evil people, aka murderers, animals, and monsters. It's just the punishment we're talking about. I don't stand for evil and I doubt anyone else in here does.
I love all you people, I really do.
i kinda am attracted to your avatar.
that is one slick cat.
Personally, I think an good guage of stance on the DP is whether or not you, YOURSELF, could pull the trigger as the executioner on a person and live with it.
Can you support something that you couldnt do yourself?
I get angry as fuck hearing about murderers and people who wear other peoples skin and keep their eyeballs in jars and heads in refrigerators... but could I end their life? me personally? no fucking way.
why not?
think about it?
move through the monster, move right through the predator.
it is straight and forward like a laser.
no feeling either way, just over... the end.
see what i'm sayin?
now you folks are throwing in religions and what political stance, this or that?
unreal.
democrat
republican
everyone can fire a bullet
everyone can pull the switch
needles still work the same way for both partys
doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
Hope you aren't referring to Chad, Ed, or myself, or you just couldn't be more wrong. I am as anti all those things as you will ever find.
you got that right eyed
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BOSTON 5-17-10
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WORCESTER 10-15-13
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doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??
so now after all this time she wants out and feels she is ready to join society and not be a threat but her victims are still dead and their family's still miss them...yea but the killer has been reformed !!!! right ?
so now what..., all I'm saying is "who really knows"
WHAT gives anyone the right to take the life of another human being? And don't use "they gave up their rights to live yadda yadda yadda". Where was it stated in some divine book that told you that they gave up their right to live for x crime? Who decided this? Tell me! Who??
I always like it when someone asks a question and then tells people how they can or can't answer them.
Look, I get your position, and I move closer to the same most everyday. But I will try and answer you question even using the rules you laid out.
Well, it is called laws. Written by man.
first, I said don't answer it with that BS because it's not an answer to the question I was asking, but it's the only answer pro-DPers can come up with, which tells me something. My question was asking who gave them the right to make that decision.
ok, fine, to roll with your answer, who gave man the right to write that law?
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im all over these threads.
i have friends all over the world on here.
your little poetry book comment early was a stab at me.
i enjoyed it.
what is your music doing?
do death row immates have guitars, yes/no?
:roll:
im still waiting...
what is your music doing?
do death row immates have guitars, yes/no?
thanks for asking
actually we have a huge show tonight.
ill let you know after.
demos still being overdubbed and mastered
live recordings nearly done
side project in the works
writing process going well the last few weeks
lots of inspiration noted lately
due to some turbulence
i have hopes though
that things will be alright
and how do i know
if death row inmates have guitars or not?
you seem to be the authority on crime and punishment
you tell me.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
im still waiting...
what is your music doing?
do death row immates have guitars, yes/no?
thanks for asking
actually we have a huge show tonight.
ill let you know after.
demos still being overdubbed and mastered
live recordings nearly done
side project in the works
writing process going well the last few weeks
lots of inspiration noted lately
due to some turbulence
i have hopes though
that things will be alright
and how do i know
if death row inmates have guitars or not?
you seem to be the authority on crime and punishment
you tell me.[/quote]
............................................
well done.
what's your groups name?
musical instruments and prison?
hhmmm
during a riot (when i was a kid) inmates trashed all their musical instruments and smashed windows.
the prison did not replace the instruments for years and didn't replace the windows very quickly so
that they could freeze a bit beings it was during the cold season.
there you go.
that's all i have.
we wont go into the decapitated body found in the kitchen and all of its body parts chopped up with
the knife buried in his neck.
yep it's true, dad found the murdered inmate in a rolling laundry cart under some laundry.
nice guys in prison.
we wont go into the decapitated body found in the kitchen and all of its body parts chopped up with
the knife buried in his neck.
yep it's true, dad found the murdered immate in a rolling laundry cart under some laundry.
nice guys in prison.
so let's just kill em all and let god sort em out, right?
I guess Daddy or his co workers weren't doing their job if inmate(s) had the time to dismember a body and hide it, now, were they?
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
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St. Paul 2014
musical instruments and prison?
hhmmm
during a riot (when i was a kid) immates trashed all their musical instruments and smashed windows.
They have musical instruments in prisons? :shock:
wow. I don't know shit about what they have. I thought (just like the movies) they had weights and books. (at least for the maximum security joints)
oh, and thanks about the avatar. That slick cat is called Mr. Orange. A friend of mine was tripping on shrooms and described him to me, so I drew him up and colored him in. She freaked out because she said he looked exactly as she saw -- and she was tripping so that didnt help.
WHAT gives anyone the right to take the life of another human being? And don't use "they gave up their rights to live yadda yadda yadda". Where was it stated in some divine book that told you that they gave up their right to live for x crime? Who decided this? Tell me! Who??
I always like it when someone asks a question and then tells people how they can or can't answer them.
Look, I get your position, and I move closer to the same most everyday. But I will try and answer you question even using the rules you laid out.
Well, it is called laws. Written by man.
first, I said don't answer it with that BS because it's not an answer to the question I was asking, but it's the only answer pro-DPers can come up with, which tells me something. My question was asking who gave them the right to make that decision.
ok, fine, to roll with your answer, who gave man the right to write that law?
What gave man the right to write any law or do anything?
we wont go into the decapitated body found in the kitchen and all of its body parts chopped up with
the knife buried in his neck.
yep it's true, dad found the murdered immate in a rolling laundry cart under some laundry.
nice guys in prison.
so let's just kill em all and let god sort em out, right?
I guess Daddy or his co workers weren't doing their job if inmate(s) had the time to dismember a body and hide it, now, were they?
musical instruments and prison?
hhmmm
during a riot (when i was a kid) immates trashed all their musical instruments and smashed windows.
They have musical instruments in prisons? :shock:
wow. I don't know shit about what they have. I thought (just like the movies) they had weights and books. (at least for the maximum security joints)
oh, and thanks about the avatar. That slick cat is called Mr. Orange. A friend of mine was tripping on shrooms and described him to me, so I drew him up and colored him in. She freaked out because she said he looked exactly as she saw -- and she was tripping so that didnt help.
yes they do.
the best part is
is when the piece of shit's favorite tv show come on
and you and a friend sneak behind the walls where the piping is
and you unscrew his cable tv then pour beach into his breathing system
this would never happen in prison
the inmate would never abduct, torture, rape and murder a little girl on christmas eve
then dispose of her body in a ditch out in some rural area
that would never happen
then house him with food
great medical coverage
and give him an education and priesthood?
yes he was a priest before prison, during prison
the whole fucking time, a priest.
i am flabbergasted
we wont go into the decapitated body found in the kitchen and all of its body parts chopped up with
the knife buried in his neck.
yep it's true, dad found the murdered immate in a rolling laundry cart under some laundry.
nice guys in prison.
so let's just kill em all and let god sort em out, right?
I guess Daddy or his co workers weren't doing their job if inmate(s) had the time to dismember a body and hide it, now, were they?
bill
that is a bullshit thing to say
i know all this typing is getting you angry
but come on
thats all we're doing here, bill
typing
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MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
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if anyone is interested, there's a very good website out there that opposes the death penalty. they campaign on behalf of murder victims and their families.
their aim is "to put real faces on victim opposition to the death penalty by presenting photos and statements from survivors throughout the United States and around the world, along with photos of the murder victim and links to further information."
these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty. some of them have witnessed the dealth penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.
http://www.mvfhr.org/victims-stories
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Can you support something that you couldnt do yourself?
I get angry as fuck hearing about murderers and people who wear other peoples skin and keep their eyeballs in jars and heads in refrigerators... but could I end their life? me personally? no fucking way.
Yes, it is one giant hypocritical clusterfuck. That's why I don't hamstring myself with religious conviction.
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but please dont confuse this debate with some of us not standing up to evil people, aka murderers, animals, and monsters. It's just the punishment we're talking about. I don't stand for evil and I doubt anyone else in here does.
I love all you people, I really do.
I always like it when someone asks a question and then tells people how they can or can't answer them.
Look, I get your position, and I move closer to the same most everyday. But I will try and answer you question even using the rules you laid out.
What gives anyone the right to take the life of another? Well, it is called laws. Written by man. Some have been good, other have been bad. But that is what gives someone the right. And, in my case, when I believe the death penalty is appropriate, it is because I don't believe it is worth the risk to other human beings to keep someone alive. Risk to the general population, risk to other inmates of lesser crimes, risk to correctional officers (maybe my main concern). Should we be putting these people at risk by dealing with a murderous individual? If you take away the death penalty and give life without parole, why would an inmate comply with the correction officers? What keeps them from doing something terrible? It concerns me. If they are put to death, then there is no way for them to kill again. So, that how I justify it. Though, as I said, I waver on it often. I'm a flip-flopper.
Do you realize that you can have fiscal conservative views and not be religious?
I'm not sure the pro-choice people would agree that you'd have to be willing to do something yourself in order to support it....or so they have told me.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
who ever said "thou salt not kill" doesn't live on earth and isn't a monster or human.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
that is one slick cat.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
think about it?
move through the monster, move right through the predator.
it is straight and forward like a laser.
no feeling either way, just over... the end.
see what i'm sayin?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
unreal.
democrat
republican
everyone can fire a bullet
everyone can pull the switch
needles still work the same way for both partys
i find this comedic
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
you got that right eyed
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
what is your music doing?
do death row inmates have guitars, yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
good point "thou shalt not kill" but what should be the punishment when someone dose ?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38117847/ns ... nd_courts/
so now after all this time she wants out and feels she is ready to join society and not be a threat but her victims are still dead and their family's still miss them...yea but the killer has been reformed !!!! right ?
so now what..., all I'm saying is "who really knows"
Godfather.
first, I said don't answer it with that BS because it's not an answer to the question I was asking, but it's the only answer pro-DPers can come up with, which tells me something. My question was asking who gave them the right to make that decision.
ok, fine, to roll with your answer, who gave man the right to write that law?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
actually we have a huge show tonight.
ill let you know after.
demos still being overdubbed and mastered
live recordings nearly done
side project in the works
writing process going well the last few weeks
lots of inspiration noted lately
due to some turbulence
i have hopes though
that things will be alright
and how do i know
if death row inmates have guitars or not?
you seem to be the authority on crime and punishment
you tell me.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and therein lies part of the problem.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
actually we have a huge show tonight.
ill let you know after.
demos still being overdubbed and mastered
live recordings nearly done
side project in the works
writing process going well the last few weeks
lots of inspiration noted lately
due to some turbulence
i have hopes though
that things will be alright
and how do i know
if death row inmates have guitars or not?
you seem to be the authority on crime and punishment
you tell me.[/quote]
............................................
well done.
what's your groups name?
musical instruments and prison?
hhmmm
during a riot (when i was a kid) inmates trashed all their musical instruments and smashed windows.
the prison did not replace the instruments for years and didn't replace the windows very quickly so
that they could freeze a bit beings it was during the cold season.
there you go.
that's all i have.
we wont go into the decapitated body found in the kitchen and all of its body parts chopped up with
the knife buried in his neck.
yep it's true, dad found the murdered inmate in a rolling laundry cart under some laundry.
nice guys in prison.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
so let's just kill em all and let god sort em out, right?
I guess Daddy or his co workers weren't doing their job if inmate(s) had the time to dismember a body and hide it, now, were they?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
They have musical instruments in prisons? :shock:
wow. I don't know shit about what they have. I thought (just like the movies) they had weights and books. (at least for the maximum security joints)
oh, and thanks about the avatar. That slick cat is called Mr. Orange. A friend of mine was tripping on shrooms and described him to me, so I drew him up and colored him in. She freaked out because she said he looked exactly as she saw -- and she was tripping so that didnt help.
What gave man the right to write any law or do anything?
nice move.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
the best part is
is when the piece of shit's favorite tv show come on
and you and a friend sneak behind the walls where the piping is
and you unscrew his cable tv then pour beach into his breathing system
this would never happen in prison
the inmate would never abduct, torture, rape and murder a little girl on christmas eve
then dispose of her body in a ditch out in some rural area
that would never happen
then house him with food
great medical coverage
and give him an education and priesthood?
yes he was a priest before prison, during prison
the whole fucking time, a priest.
i am flabbergasted
(now i hesitate pressing enter)
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
bill
that is a bullshit thing to say
i know all this typing is getting you angry
but come on
thats all we're doing here, bill
typing
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13