Hey, some real stories...awesome. And thanks for your input about my posts, I appreciate all the feedback I get.
So, was the guy on death row?
And you, were you on death row?
Anyhow, like I said, I certainly understand some of the points others have made regarding the death penalty and the troubles with the legal system. It does make sense. If it's a true no brainer case though...that is where I currently still can support the death penalty. But, this thread has been good (at times anyhow) for examining this position.
I assumed everone that is executed by the state is on what is called "death row". Either way, he's dead now, and might have been innocent. Damien Echols might be dead soon too.
I was not on death row and never have been, thanks for asking? :? :roll: ... but i'll tell you what, being held by the police that day (and missing a concert that night because of it), made me feel completely vulnerable. Shoddy police work, inability to find a legitimate suspect, if I had a previous record, my race... anything could have contributed to a different outcome even though I was nowhere near that neighbor who died.
I assumed everone that is executed by the state is on what is called "death row". Either way, he's dead now, and might have been innocent. Damien Echols might be dead soon too.
Not neccesarily. Most civilized countries have stopped it. The U.S is not a civilized country, and remains on the same moral level as Iran and China. The death penalty is barbaric and pointless, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who supports it is an immoral, shallow hypocrite.
For the record, I avoid killing bugs, slugs, snails, and chipmunks. Hell, I would even rather let a flower grow than pick it.
I agree with Scb, I would put down a dog if it was in pain and inevitably dying. That's it.
So I answered your questions.
Here's some for you:
1. Are you aware of the case of the West Memphis 3? Will you be so happy if/when Damien Echols is executed?
if you arent aware of the story, answer here first, then google it. He and three others were convicted of murdering and torturing 3 eight year old boys.
2. Lets say you are in a convenience store buying something, when all of a sudden someone comes in and strangles the clerk and kills him. You are left standing there and someone calls the police. Then you are implicated. Then some old person with poor vision says you matched the description of the person entering the store. Holy shit, now you're on Death Row! Still like the Death Penalty? I doubt it.
Oh goodie...we get to make up stories now.
Typical post from you. You jump into a thread with a snide remark.
Seriously pal, you really need to quit with the trolling.
Not neccesarily. Most civilized countries have stopped it. The U.S is not a civilized country, and remains on the same moral level as Iran and China. The death penalty is barbaric and pointless, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who supports it is an immoral, shallow hypocrite.
i never once claimed the u.s. was not barbaric.
speaking of savage type bullshit.
i vote for barbarism in this regard.
my ancestors were barbarians, so crude bullshit pretty much gives me an erection.
i have tamed down to only enjoying it when evil maniacs are put down.
For the record, I avoid killing bugs, slugs, snails, and chipmunks. Hell, I would even rather let a flower grow than pick it.
I agree with Scb, I would put down a dog if it was in pain and inevitably dying. That's it.
So I answered your questions.
Here's some for you:
1. Are you aware of the case of the West Memphis 3? Will you be so happy if/when Damien Echols is executed?
if you arent aware of the story, answer here first, then google it. He and three others were convicted of murdering and torturing 3 eight year old boys.
2. Lets say you are in a convenience store buying something, when all of a sudden someone comes in and strangles the clerk and kills him. You are left standing there and someone calls the police. Then you are implicated. Then some old person with poor vision says you matched the description of the person entering the store. Holy shit, now you're on Death Row! Still like the Death Penalty? I doubt it.
Oh goodie...we get to make up stories now.
haha, you're funny. Maybe you could add something of substance...
notice noboy answered either question because they are very nice analogies of how poorly the system is and how sad the DP can be.
He does it all the time, and thinks it's clever because the mods never seem to notice. And when anyone calls him out on it he gets all defensive.
How is saying I would not put the dog down anything but a direct answer??
That's not what you said. This is...
It depends on the circumstances and I'm sure it would be a tough situation regardless. I'd probably give the dog away. But thankfully I don't have a kid or a dog so I'm not going to be in that situation.
However, I will take you at your word. You wouldn't put the dog down. Just give it away and hope it doesn't kill another child?
How is saying I would not put the dog down anything but a direct answer??
That's not what you said. This is...
It depends on the circumstances and I'm sure it would be a tough situation regardless. I'd probably give the dog away. But thankfully I don't have a kid or a dog so I'm not going to be in that situation.
However, I will take you at your word. You wouldn't put the dog down. Just give it away and hope it doesn't kill another child?
ya
bill and scb
you would give a violent dog, who has attacked a child, away to someone
what the fuck kind of answer is that
Now you're all about killing dogs too?? What the fuck kind of answer is that?!
Like I said, exactly what you do with a violent dog after you decide to not kill it depends on the circumstances. If it's just dangerous to kids, give it to a person who doesn't have kids. If it's dangerous to adults too, give it to someone who can keep it away from society. In reality, most dogs who behave violently were either cornered or were doing what they were trained to do. Don't corner it and train it to behave differently and you won't have a problem.
Something of substance like making up a ridiculous scenario to try and prove your point? No thanks. I've seen a lot of good reasons mentioned for not having the death penalty, yours...not one of them.
Really? The WM3 is a ridiculous scenario? Really?? And poor eye witnesses - that NEVER happens! Really?? :roll:
giving away a vicious dog must be the answer.
maybe we can give away an evil predator to another society.
sounds like a wonderful idea.
So now you're all about killing animals too, Mr. Nature Lover?
fuck no im not about killing animals.
however, i am interested in the deaths of evil maniacs.
hitler, nazis, dr. mengele... they should have worn a bullet upside their skulls.
if a vicious dog is tearing ppl apart for no damn reason i guess the dog is in trouble.
a child poking the dog in the eye does not give grounds for death when said dog bites.
a stupid wild ass dog attacking and mauling ppl is different.
giving away a vicious dog must be the answer.
maybe we can give away an evil predator to another society.
sounds like a wonderful idea.
So now you're all about killing animals too, Mr. Nature Lover?
fuck no im not about killing animals.
however, i am interested in the deaths of evil maniacs.
hitler, nazis, dr. mengele... they should have worn a bullet upside their skulls.
if a vicious dog is tearing ppl apart for no damn reason i guess the dog is in trouble.
a child poking the dog in the eye does not give grounds for death when said dog bites.
a stupid wild ass dog attacking and mauling ppl is different.
What about bears? In the last couple of weeks they've killed 5 bears in my city for coming in to town looking for food and showing no fear of people. Bears are certainly violent. Should they be killed too?
What about bears? In the last couple of weeks they've killed 5 bears in my city for coming in to town looking for food and showing no fear of people. Bears are certainly violent. Should they be killed too?
what about this
what about that
what about
what about
how about this or that
fuck me runnin....................
bears are innocent wild animals.
dog are pretty much like that too.
it comes down to human-beings being stupid, ball-less, and lazy.
a bear and a child molester are 2 different things.
i love bears.
i despise child preditors.
people killing bears for getting into trash cans and whatnot should be shot themselves.
mankind has become soft and full of shit.
in reference to the west memphis 3
with a case this fucked up by police mistakes
i would never execute
in fact
as stated before
only the easy one's should fry
it's not for every murder case
a confession
caught in the act
video proof
cell phone gps proof
any real proof
some murders do go unsolved
but to those who use this case as an anti-dp example
what do you say when there is a video of a murder that clearly shows the identity of the killer?
i know, i know
nobody should die
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
so you can excuse a child-murderer if someone tells you he is insane?
and what if the murderer is a normal sane person?
do you excuse him?
"it's carried out in the name of something supposedly 'good', 'decent', and 'just'"??
i don't see it that way
i believe it's carried out in the name of something "horrible, "indecent, and "unjust"
the murder itself
and a tradgedy for the murderer???
so you would have felt pain if dahmer had been executed?
or gacy?
or hitler?
you do know hitler was a child once too
atta was a child once
should we forgive him for 9-11?
i think it's hypocritical to worry about everything that is wrong with the human race
and support and give excuses to murderers who have clearly decided that they no longer want to be a part of it
Firstly, I made no mention of excusing anybody. As for Hitler being a child once, so was Reagan, and George W. Bush. They are all responsible for mass killings from the comfort of their armchairs. Do I think the crimes of such individuals warrant murder becoming a legitimate form of justice? Nope. We should never allow ourselves to be dragged down to their level. If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone, including us.
Someone attending an execution in the U.S, sitting there smugly, and sanctimoniously clutching a Bible whilst someone's life is snuffed out in front of them is no less depraved to me than Dahmer calmly dispatching his victims.
"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"
murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"
murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder
so let me get this straight....
murder= deliberately ending the life of another.
capital punishment is deliberately ending the life of another.
so by your definition those two things are different??????
the definition of capital punishment is fucking murder.
how the hell can you not see that?
it is an undisputable and undeniable FACT.
both processes result in the END OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S LIFE!!
it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that one out now does it?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
give it away to someone who doesn't have kids and you are honest with them. if they are able to handle it, then fine. that's what the fuck kind of answer it is. a responsible one. not one that just kills something that is inconvenient for me.
How is saying I would not put the dog down anything but a direct answer??
That's not what you said. This is...
It depends on the circumstances and I'm sure it would be a tough situation regardless. I'd probably give the dog away. But thankfully I don't have a kid or a dog so I'm not going to be in that situation.
However, I will take you at your word. You wouldn't put the dog down. Just give it away and hope it doesn't kill another child?
ya
bill and scb
you would give a violent dog, who has attacked a child, away to someone
what the fuck kind of answer is that
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"
murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder
so let me get this straight....
murder= deliberately ending the life of another.
capital punishment is deliberately ending the life of another.
so by your definition those two things are different??????
the definition of capital punishment is fucking murder.
how the hell can you not see that?
it is an undisputable and undeniable FACT.
it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that one out now does it?
bill
can't we just agree to disagree without becoming angry
you say
both processes result in the END OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S LIFE!!
i say
when someone murders
their rights to be a human being has ended
you see it one way
i see it another
we are just talking here
trying to make sense of it
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"
murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder
so let me get this straight....
murder= deliberately ending the life of another.
capital punishment is deliberately ending the life of another.
so by your definition those two things are different??????
the definition of capital punishment is fucking murder.
how the hell can you not see that?
it is an undisputable and undeniable FACT.
it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that one out now does it?
bill
can't we just agree to disagree without becoming angry
you say
both processes result in the END OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S LIFE!!
i say
when someone murders
their rights to be a human being has ended
you see it one way
i see it another
we are just talking here
trying to make sense of it
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"
murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder
so let me get this straight....
murder= deliberately ending the life of another.
capital punishment is deliberately ending the life of another.
so by your definition those two things are different??????
the definition of capital punishment is fucking murder.
how the hell can you not see that?
it is an undisputable and undeniable FACT.
it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that one out now does it?
bill
can't we just agree to disagree without becoming angry
you say
both processes result in the END OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S LIFE!!
i say
when someone murders
their rights to be a human being has ended
you see it one way
i see it another
we are just talking here
trying to make sense of it
no i am not agreeing to disagree.
it is black and white
both are the direct ending of a human being's life.
period. end of sentence, end of paragraph, end of story, ok?????
you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away.
if a bull gores someone during the "running of the bulls" is the bull no longer a bull?
you sound like a 7 year old asking all of these ridiculous questions.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
[no i am not agreeing to disagree.
it is black and white
both are the direct ending of a human being's life.
period. end of sentence, end of paragraph, end of story, ok?????
you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away.
if a bull gores someone during the "running of the bulls" is the bull no longer a bull?
you sound like a 7 year old asking all of these ridiculous questions.[/quote]
wow
ok
you do know that we execute some murderers here in this country, right
i did not invent this
so, let me get this right,
i am no longer allowed to think on my own
should i check with you on every decision i make
or just those involving laws?
"you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away"
isn't this what we do when we execute a murderer?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
I've been trying to for days. I just don't think you will ever understand my stance, nor will I yours.
Bottom line for me is I don't see the point in the death penalty. What does it do? It costs more money for the taxpayer......it is PROVEN not to deter people from committing crimes that call for the DP.......I think making someone live in jail for the rest of their natural life is a very suitable punishment. It ain't club med, as you've well described. So why give the murderer the "easy" way out? Make the sick fuck suffer with Big Bubba in the shower for 30 years. Or put him in a mental institution if he belongs there. Whichever. The main issue is protection of society.
If you've got an animal behind bars, you don't need to shoot it so it won't bite you.
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I assumed everone that is executed by the state is on what is called "death row". Either way, he's dead now, and might have been innocent. Damien Echols might be dead soon too.
I was not on death row and never have been, thanks for asking? :? :roll: ... but i'll tell you what, being held by the police that day (and missing a concert that night because of it), made me feel completely vulnerable. Shoddy police work, inability to find a legitimate suspect, if I had a previous record, my race... anything could have contributed to a different outcome even though I was nowhere near that neighbor who died.
Yep, I misread your last post. Sorry about that.
Not neccesarily. Most civilized countries have stopped it. The U.S is not a civilized country, and remains on the same moral level as Iran and China. The death penalty is barbaric and pointless, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who supports it is an immoral, shallow hypocrite.
Typical post from you. You jump into a thread with a snide remark.
Seriously pal, you really need to quit with the trolling.
speaking of savage type bullshit.
i vote for barbarism in this regard.
my ancestors were barbarians, so crude bullshit pretty much gives me an erection.
i have tamed down to only enjoying it when evil maniacs are put down.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
He does it all the time, and thinks it's clever because the mods never seem to notice. And when anyone calls him out on it he gets all defensive.
And before that I said:
AND
For God's sake, man, try to keep up!
Now you're all about killing dogs too?? What the fuck kind of answer is that?!
Like I said, exactly what you do with a violent dog after you decide to not kill it depends on the circumstances. If it's just dangerous to kids, give it to a person who doesn't have kids. If it's dangerous to adults too, give it to someone who can keep it away from society. In reality, most dogs who behave violently were either cornered or were doing what they were trained to do. Don't corner it and train it to behave differently and you won't have a problem.
So now you're all about killing animals too, Mr. Nature Lover?
Really? The WM3 is a ridiculous scenario? Really?? And poor eye witnesses - that NEVER happens! Really?? :roll:
however, i am interested in the deaths of evil maniacs.
hitler, nazis, dr. mengele... they should have worn a bullet upside their skulls.
if a vicious dog is tearing ppl apart for no damn reason i guess the dog is in trouble.
a child poking the dog in the eye does not give grounds for death when said dog bites.
a stupid wild ass dog attacking and mauling ppl is different.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
What about bears? In the last couple of weeks they've killed 5 bears in my city for coming in to town looking for food and showing no fear of people. Bears are certainly violent. Should they be killed too?
what about that
what about
what about
how about this or that
fuck me runnin....................
bears are innocent wild animals.
dog are pretty much like that too.
it comes down to human-beings being stupid, ball-less, and lazy.
a bear and a child molester are 2 different things.
i love bears.
i despise child preditors.
people killing bears for getting into trash cans and whatnot should be shot themselves.
mankind has become soft and full of shit.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
with a case this fucked up by police mistakes
i would never execute
in fact
as stated before
only the easy one's should fry
it's not for every murder case
a confession
caught in the act
video proof
cell phone gps proof
any real proof
some murders do go unsolved
but to those who use this case as an anti-dp example
what do you say when there is a video of a murder that clearly shows the identity of the killer?
i know, i know
nobody should die
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"
murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
murder= deliberately ending the life of another.
capital punishment is deliberately ending the life of another.
so by your definition those two things are different??????
the definition of capital punishment is fucking murder.
how the hell can you not see that?
it is an undisputable and undeniable FACT.
both processes result in the END OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S LIFE!!
it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that one out now does it?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
now THIS is funny. You spent the first 40-odd pages asking US different scenarios of why people should be allowed to live. How ironic.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
bill
can't we just agree to disagree without becoming angry
you say
both processes result in the END OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S LIFE!!
i say
when someone murders
their rights to be a human being has ended
you see it one way
i see it another
we are just talking here
trying to make sense of it
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
it is black and white
both are the direct ending of a human being's life.
period. end of sentence, end of paragraph, end of story, ok?????
you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away.
if a bull gores someone during the "running of the bulls" is the bull no longer a bull?
you sound like a 7 year old asking all of these ridiculous questions.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it is black and white
both are the direct ending of a human being's life.
period. end of sentence, end of paragraph, end of story, ok?????
you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away.
if a bull gores someone during the "running of the bulls" is the bull no longer a bull?
you sound like a 7 year old asking all of these ridiculous questions.[/quote]
wow
ok
you do know that we execute some murderers here in this country, right
i did not invent this
so, let me get this right,
i am no longer allowed to think on my own
should i check with you on every decision i make
or just those involving laws?
"you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away"
isn't this what we do when we execute a murderer?
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DENY SOMEONE ELSE'S RIGHT TO LIFE. SIMPLE AS FUCKING THAT. And I'm not yelling, just making sure people read it, mmkay?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
yep. and it's wrong. he's saying it in the sense that we SHOULDN'T be doing it.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Godfather.
let's do a bong or many
this debate sucks thc worm balls... which is not half bad
torture sucks
violence sucks
it all sucks
someone somewhere has to do the dirty work
it's not a holiday cruise fighting criminals
whatever it takes, god damn, dude
again... let them do their jobs
do not these extreme maniacs make you ill?
are you not releaved when they pass on?
holy shit
unbelievable
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
yep.
nope.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
The problem is that we all DO have to make that kind of call, when we vote.
please help me understand.
please...
i will return after a bowl and a water break.
i never drink water within 300 feet of this system.
brb, love u bro and a hug
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Bottom line for me is I don't see the point in the death penalty. What does it do? It costs more money for the taxpayer......it is PROVEN not to deter people from committing crimes that call for the DP.......I think making someone live in jail for the rest of their natural life is a very suitable punishment. It ain't club med, as you've well described. So why give the murderer the "easy" way out? Make the sick fuck suffer with Big Bubba in the shower for 30 years. Or put him in a mental institution if he belongs there. Whichever. The main issue is protection of society.
If you've got an animal behind bars, you don't need to shoot it so it won't bite you.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
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St. Paul 2014