the death penalty

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mikepegg44 wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

I understand your point about the absolute certainty of a crime before such a punishment, but with your below scenario, you're basically allowing the criminal to set their own punishment and in most instances, it's what they want. Death in such a scenario is not a punishment as they have no care for their or anyone else's life, but life in prison is a punishment no one would want.

mikepegg44 wrote:

which just reinforces the value. I am worth so much that no amount of restitution will make up for it, the only thing that pays that bill is your life.
Now that doesn't mean that I am for it in practice however. because of the possibility of innocent men being convicted in an imperfect justice system, it should only be used on those that confess to a murder and there is irrefutable evidence to support that confession.

that is quite an assumption. there are plenty of people on death row trying as hard as they can to stay alive through appeals. They may have to live in prison, but they still get to live.

But do you agree that the death penalty is a shorter punishment at least? Without it, a person spends the rest of the their life - say, 40 years, in prison. With it, the person spends a shorter time - say, 10 years, in prison. Death comes at the end for both - just one has to stay in prison longer.

chadwick

scb wrote:

chadwick wrote:

nazi ss and that entire crew should have been tossed into a volcano.
wait...
scratch that.
that would make the volcano ill.

take 'em out back behind the barn.

:twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: :shock: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil:
nice work fellows

Question: Do you think the Nazis believed their actions were acceptable since there was a reason behind them and they were sanctioned by the state?

nazi ss are pussies.
zero respect is for them in my wide scale of views.
hammer down.

ever shoot a melon or jug of water with a high power rifle or shotgun?
it is fantastic, like a nazi ss soldier's head exploding.
quite nice and calming to the nerves.
similar to sipping hot tea with lemon & honey on a sunday morning.

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chadwick wrote:

ok ok ok.
time for a talking to.

dog shit is in prison.
dog shit is in a cell 23 hours per day because dog shit can't behave.
dog shit is loonier than a cartoon.
dog shit is beyond mean and nasty.

correctional officers are trying to make a living and protect society from dog shit.

are you following me so far?
still, do not stop using your brain.. stay with me here, ok?
ok, good.

while getting dog shit ready for his stroll to exercise or shower, dog shit fights and throws poop and piss on all the guards and stabs one with a filed down toothbrush and kicks one guard square in the balls.
now the cert team is called in. "Correctional Emergency Response Team."

even before the cert team shows up, both prisoner and guard(s) have broken bones, blood loss, which is fantastic in the modern day of HIV warfare. ankles are snapped. noses are fucked. eyeballs get poked. it is a bitch.
this is a daily event. different convicts of course. but the same ones over and over never learn.

cell removal:
classic events in the making.
straight violence at the highest in most cases.

pepper spray is eaten for breakfast.
electrical shock does zero to dog shit.

"nice exercise pen, do you like stripping off all your clothes, shitting on the pen flooring and snearing it all over you and then refuse to come out so we have to come get your WORLD CHAMPION WRESTLING ASS?"

nice homemade knives jammed into other dog shit's gut. they like killing each other a lot.
nice sharp steel into a guards neck.

yet on the outside in society where we all function nicely, they are the exact same.

i see zero reason in keeping dog shit going.

CERT team? Isn't that redundant?

gimmesometruth27

i'm not going to go back and re-review all 47 pages of this thread and i am not sure if this has been posted, but here is a page that shows that the murder rate is less in non-death penalty states than in death penalty states...so the deterrence argument seemingly does not hold water...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterre ... rder-rates

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

my former roommate was a corrections officer at a supermax prison in southern illinois and he read through this thread and he said in his 14 years of experience this type of thing happend a handful of times, but not nearly the frequency you are saying.

Very interesting. Thanks for that insight! :thumbup:

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chadwick wrote:

scb wrote:

chadwick wrote:

nazi ss and that entire crew should have been tossed into a volcano.
wait...
scratch that.
that would make the volcano ill.

take 'em out back behind the barn.

:twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: :shock: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil:
nice work fellows

Question: Do you think the Nazis believed their actions were acceptable since there was a reason behind them and they were sanctioned by the state?

nazi ss are pussies.
zero respect is for them in my wide scale of views.
hammer down.

ever shoot a melon or jug of water with a high power rifle or shotgun?
it is fantastic, like a nazi ss soldier's head exploding.
quite nice and calming to the nerves.
similar to sipping hot tea with lemon & honey on a sunday morning.

I know you want everyone to see how good and flowery you can be with words and all, but could you just once also show us that you are capable of answering a direct question?

chadwick

i dwell on flowers and bong hits.
i do not dwell on nazi ss.

gimmesometruth27

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

my former roommate was a corrections officer at a supermax prison in southern illinois and he read through this thread and he said in his 14 years of experience this type of thing happend a handful of times, but not nearly the frequency you are saying.

Very interesting. Thanks for that insight! :thumbup:

he would talk about how him and the other co's had to do cell extractions and how some of the co's would beat the guy mercilessly with batons and riot shields and hammerfists and elbows so they did not break their hands. all of these cell extractions had to be videotaped and he said that they were instructed to shake the camera so that it was impossible to tell what was going on. he said he never had a problem with the prisoners because he treated them like humans. the ones that got attacked and had problems with many of the inmates were assholes to them and tended to be a little overzealous with the beatings when doing cell extractions. he told me one time he thought that asshole superguards made all of the other decent guards less safe, and i believed him when he said that. just recently that prison has gotten in some serious trouble and had a few lawsuits filed due to beating prisioners. i looked and my former roommate was not named in the suits, but some people that i met through him were named in the cases.

chadwick

i wish you folks could meet my brother, Dustin.
i talked with my little brother last night on the phone for a good 45 minutes.
he is my hero.
my other brother Ryan, is also my hero.
we are best friends.
we love each other.
we love our dad.

we are solid as stone, us four.
evil shit sucks monkey nuts.

thank god i knew how to run a machine gun @ age 2.



R.I.P. Dad and Ryan.

chadwick

i'd like to add that my dad was respected by both immates and staff.
dad was beyond fantastic.
when he died the I.S.P. skipped a beat.
it was emotional for the entire institution.
some warden hugged me with tears in his eyes as he gave me the state flag.

my dad rocks, fuck ya'll, it's time to kill dog shit.

JonnyPistachio

chadwick wrote:

thank god i knew how to run a machine gun @ age 2.

I just gotta ask...umm, huh?

chadwick

JonnyPistachio wrote:

chadwick wrote:

thank god i knew how to run a machine gun @ age 2.

I just gotta ask...umm, huh?

i slipped up, i meant 12.
that was a typo earlier.

JonnyPistachio

chadwick wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

chadwick wrote:

thank god i knew how to run a machine gun @ age 2.

I just gotta ask...umm, huh?

i slipped up, i meant 12.
that was a typo earlier.

haha, I was wondering if it was a typo. I just thought how great it would be if someone got a pic of you firing a machine gun at 2 years old...you'd be more famous than the bong baby.

chadwick

JonnyPistachio wrote:

haha, I was wondering if it was a typo. I just thought how great it would be if someone got a pic of you firing a machine gun at 2 years old...you'd be more famous than the bong baby.

fuck, dude.
i have photo albums fulla gun bullshit.
bong baby is a light weight candy ass hippy.
:twisted: :idea: :arrow: :idea: :crazy:
this thread feels like home.
i think i like this a lot.

technically i was younger than 12.
how old are 3rd graders?

OnTheEdge

I gotta laugh at all the comments about chadwick being angry. Let it all out chadwick, you'll feel better

Why does somebody have to be angry to kill a lowlife murdering scumbag that doesn't deserve to dream,eat,sleep,read a book,etc... Why do people feel so sympathetic towards these people? Are you afraid GOD won't except you into heaven if you think such thoughts. I really can't figure it out. Some of you talk like you have all the answers. SCB, how do you know that somebody will not feel at peace if their loved ones killer was executed. I have heard quite the opposite on documentaries on tv.

gimmesometruth27

OnTheEdge wrote:

I gotta laugh at all the comments about chadwick being angry. Let it all out chadwick, you'll feel better

Why does somebody have to be angry to kill a lowlife murdering scumbag that doesn't deserve to dream,eat,sleep,read a book,etc... Why do people feel so sympathetic towards these people? Are you afraid GOD won't except you into heaven if you think such thoughts. I really can't figure it out. Some of you talk like you have all the answers. SCB, how do you know that somebody will not feel at peace if their loved ones killer was executed. I have heard quite the opposite on documentaries on tv.

i am not scb but i would like to address your question for one second, review this thread. there have been several posts saying that the surviving family members forgive the murderers and do not wish to see them put to death. i can show you intervies and documentaries saying this as well. i think for those of us that are not neanderthal mouthbreathers we realize that taking a life is not going to bring the other victim back, and that two wrongs do not make a right.

chadwick

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

I gotta laugh at all the comments about chadwick being angry. Let it all out chadwick, you'll feel better

Why does somebody have to be angry to kill a lowlife murdering scumbag that doesn't deserve to dream,eat,sleep,read a book,etc... Why do people feel so sympathetic towards these people? Are you afraid GOD won't except you into heaven if you think such thoughts. I really can't figure it out. Some of you talk like you have all the answers. SCB, how do you know that somebody will not feel at peace if their loved ones killer was executed. I have heard quite the opposite on documentaries on tv.

i am not scb but i would like to address your question for one second, review this thread. there have been several posts saying that the surviving family members forgive the murderers and do not wish to see them put to death. i can show you intervies and documentaries saying this as well. i think for those of us that are not neanderthal mouthbreathers we realize that taking a life is not going to bring the other victim back, and that two wrongs do not make a right.

um, it's berzerker not neanderthal mouthbreather.
neanderthal mouthbreathers are for light weight work like clubbing and rock fucking.
berzerkers... we sail seas by star navigation, crush heads, and write poetry for Odin.

ed243421

this is for scb and the other anti-death-penalty folk

could you kill someone if they attacked you and you felt it would be your only way to survive?
would you?
my guess is that you would, if needed to

then why is it that you feel that if it was YOUR life that was in danger of being taken, the person can die?

but for all the other murderers in this world, they should rot in prison.

is it hypocritical to be against the dp and defend yourself with a weapon if attacked?


once again
this is not about "bringing someone back"
the murderer has done things that prevent that

gimmesometruth27

ed243421 wrote:

this is for scb and the other anti-death-penalty folk

could you kill someone if they attacked you and you felt it would be your only way to survive?
would you?
my guess is that you would, if needed to

then why is it that you feel that if it was YOUR life that was in danger of being taken, the person can die?

but for all the other murderers in this world, they should rot in prison.

is it hypocritical to be against the dp and defend yourself with a weapon if attacked?


once again
this is not about "bringing someone back"
the murderer has done things that prevent that

your question has absolutely no relevence to the death penalty. killing someone to defend yourself and a state murdering someone for revenge are two completely different things. it is not even the same sport, let alone the same league. in the first case you can be found innocent and that the murder would have been justified as self defense. you might not even have to go to court in that case. in my mind capital punishment is not self defense and is therefore not justifiable at any time. but what the hell, i will indulge your question...

i could kill someone with my bare hands to protect myself, my friends or my loved ones if i were under attack. but i would much rather defuse the situation if i could. if i did kill an attacker i would have been provoked to act and if it were my only way of getting out of the situation with my own life then i would do it. if it were him or me that was going to die, trust me, it would not be me. that said i do not carry weapons, and i think people that do are weak. weapons give people the confidence to be billy badass and act like thugs because they have a lethal weapon at their disposal if things get out of hand....just my opinion. i think murderers should spend the rest of their existance in prison. it is not my responsibility to lobby or make the case for revenge murder on behalf of the state.

ed243421

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

this is for scb and the other anti-death-penalty folk

could you kill someone if they attacked you and you felt it would be your only way to survive?
would you?
my guess is that you would, if needed to

then why is it that you feel that if it was YOUR life that was in danger of being taken, the person can die?

but for all the other murderers in this world, they should rot in prison.

is it hypocritical to be against the dp and defend yourself with a weapon if attacked?


once again
this is not about "bringing someone back"
the murderer has done things that prevent that

your question has absolutely no relevence to the death penalty. killing someone to defend yourself and a state murdering someone for revenge are two completely different things. it is not even the same sport, let alone the same league. in the first case you can be found innocent and that the murder would have been justified as self defense. you might not even have to go to court in that case. in my mind capital punishment is not self defense and is therefore not justifiable at any time. but what the hell, i will indulge your question...

i could kill someone with my bare hands to protect myself, my friends or my loved ones if i were under attack. but i would much rather defuse the situation if i could. if i did kill an attacker i would have been provoked to act and if it were my only way of getting out of the situation with my own life then i would do it. if it were him or me that was going to die, trust me, it would not be me. that said i do not carry weapons, and i think people that do are weak. weapons give people the confidence to be billy badass and act like thugs because they have a lethal weapon at their disposal if things get out of hand....just my opinion. i think murderers should spend the rest of their existance in prison. it is not my responsibility to lobby or make the case for revenge murder on behalf of the state.

"if it were him or me that was going to die, trust me, it would not be me"

i can't trust you because many people who think that way get murdered anyways
and IF you were one of the many people murdered
IF it was you
you would want him to live a life

seriously, i'm confused to how anti dp people think

you can kill in SELF defense
but if you are murdered, we should not kill?