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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    chadwick wrote:
    wait for it...

    are you ready?

    what is a fact is that the death penalty will always exist as long as maniacs exist.
    this is a fact.
    argue it all you want.
    at some point, some state, somewhere, will have a hot seat for evil to fry in or take a needle up the vein.

    it does not bother me in the least.

    I don't actually think that's true.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    chadwick wrote:
    dad was a prison guard for 30 odd years up until the day he died.

    Do you mind if I ask how your dad died?
  • Satyagraha
    Satyagraha Posts: 19
    I oppose the death penalty in all situations


    Howa' bout we just don't kill people. ok?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Satyagraha wrote:
    I oppose the death penalty in all situations


    Howa' bout we just don't kill people. ok?

    Well I think we all must agree with someone with such a great avatar! :mrgreen:
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    This is a dead end question... define "maniac" please. Most industrialized, modern nations in the world do not have the death penalty and have lower crime/murder rates...
    chadwick wrote:
    wait for it...

    are you ready?

    what is a fact is that the death penalty will always exist as long as maniacs exist.
    this is a fact.
    argue it all you want.
    at some point, some state, somewhere, will have a hot seat for evil to fry in or take a needle up the vein.

    it does not bother me in the least.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    see heres the thing... and this is about saddam hussein. the united states of america were happy to support this genocidal maniac while they thought he was in their pocket. but when he overstepped the boundaries he became the enemy. absolutely what he subjected the iraqi people to was heinous. but when they hung him, it sickened me and i wept for ALL humanity.

    i will never understand mankind's desire for vengeance. and nothing, not even the murder of one of my children will get me to support the vengeance murder of another human.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I'm giving this thread the "kicking a dead horse"call....no pun intended. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Godfather. wrote:
    I'm giving this thread the "kicking a dead horse"call....no pun intended. :lol:

    Godfather.
    i agree.
    i am officially done here.
    have fun.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    :roll: :lol:
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    indeed it is. hypocrisy at it's finest.

    How so?
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  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    catefrances wrote:
    see heres the thing... and this is about saddam hussein. the united states of america were happy to support this genocidal maniac while they thought he was in their pocket. but when he overstepped the boundaries he became the enemy. absolutely what he subjected the iraqi people to was heinous. but when they hung him, it sickened me and i wept for ALL humanity.

    i will never understand mankind's desire for vengeance. and nothing, not even the murder of one of my children will get me to support the vengeance murder of another human.

    I have been ignoring this thread and was surprised so many continued on in it but here is my last tid bit.

    I knew once they caught him they would kill him by letting the Iraq Government hand down the sentence. They didn't want the world to blame the USA for one and it seemed for once they were making an civilized decision to let the government make it's own choices. We all know better. That man was fucking evil to the core but even I was saddened to see him hang. It just added one more notch against humanity and all of us. It reflected upon the world and many nations and politicians roared a huge outcry at this outcome.

    He knew they were going to kill him and that's why he didn't comply with any authorities and spat in there faces the whole way. It just goes to show though that one less evil person has yet to make it a better place. More people are dying in that country still and many innocent as well as US and coalition soldiers, journalists etc. No good came from his death. Much good came from his overthrown regime but only briefly.

    I do understand why they did it though. It's a hard situation to condemn or accept.
  • mikalina
    mikalina Posts: 7,206
    Death for Thompson..... Ohio executes !!!!!

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Taking a life to show some sort of misguided punishment which is supposed to protect the sanctity of life isn't hypocrisy?
    cincybearcat wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    indeed it is. hypocrisy at it's finest.

    How so?
    CONservative governMENt

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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Taking a life to show some sort of misguided punishment which is supposed to protect the sanctity of life isn't hypocrisy?
    cincybearcat wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    indeed it is. hypocrisy at it's finest.

    How so?


    doesn't it reinforce the value of life?

    if you take someone's stuff you get punished with a few years, you assault someone you get punished, but the only punishment that fits taking a life, is in deed getting yours taken from you. I would say it isn't hypocrisy at all, but more so a statement on how much another person's life is worth.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    No because you're not teaching anyone the value of life, but simply reinforcing if you take one, you may lose your own. That's not the same lesson at all. And the people who typically commit crimes deemed worthy of such punishment don't value their own life - so no lesson or societal moral code is set. It sets forth the notion of not caring about the punishment, which also cheapens life as a whole, not properly reinforcing the idea that life is good, so don't take it away. It merely amounts to a punishment system based upon vengeance and convenience.
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    indeed it is. hypocrisy at it's finest.

    How so?


    doesn't it reinforce the value of life?

    if you take someone's stuff you get punished with a few years, you assault someone you get punished, but the only punishment that fits taking a life, is in deed getting yours taken from you. I would say it isn't hypocrisy at all, but more so a statement on how much another person's life is worth.[/quote]
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    who are you guy's trying to convince ? in a state if a majority votes for it then it is what it is right ?
    and once that bullet is fired or the switch is thrown or the plunger pushed to the bottom it is what it is because the larger majority wanted it that way,if you want it changed then vote in that direction.
    there now wasn't that ez........bad horse ! :D

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Taking a life to show some sort of misguided punishment which is supposed to protect the sanctity of life isn't hypocrisy?
    cincybearcat wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    indeed it is. hypocrisy at it's finest.

    How so?

    Not really. You are removing someone that has proven to be a killer from having the opportunity to take more lives.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Just because something is agreed upon by a majority or is popular/populist in nature, doesn't make it good and ok. It's no different from saying Brittney Spears is the greatest musician/singer ever because she sold more records than person x.
    Godfather. wrote:
    who are you guy's trying to convince ? in a state if a majority votes for it then it is what it is right ?
    and once that bullet is fired or the switch is thrown or the plunger pushed to the bottom it is what it is because the larger majority wanted it that way,if you want it changed then vote in that direction.
    there now wasn't that ez........bad horse ! :D

    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Just because something is agreed upon by a majority or is popular/populist in nature, doesn't make it good and ok. It's no different from saying Brittney Spears is the greatest musician/singer ever because she sold more records than person x.
    Godfather. wrote:
    who are you guy's trying to convince ? in a state if a majority votes for it then it is what it is right ?
    and once that bullet is fired or the switch is thrown or the plunger pushed to the bottom it is what it is because the larger majority wanted it that way,if you want it changed then vote in that direction.
    there now wasn't that ez........bad horse ! :D

    Godfather.

    I'll agree with that, but lets take a break from this death talk.
    http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entert ... es#slide=1

    Enjoy.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    Godfather. wrote:
    who are you guy's trying to convince ? in a state if a majority votes for it then it is what it is right ?
    and once that bullet is fired or the switch is thrown or the plunger pushed to the bottom it is what it is because the larger majority wanted it that way,if you want it changed then vote in that direction.
    there now wasn't that ez........bad horse ! :D

    Godfather.
    this is a state issue and every state has a provision for or against it in their state constitution. it is not like you can change it with a single vote. this sort of thing is done with legislation, or decree by the state governor, not voting.
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