render unto cesar that which is cesars. Meaning follow the law.
That's not my interpretaion. Seems to me he's saying leave earthly pursuits to the earth while spiritual matters belong with the spritual/'God'/Jesus. It says nothing about the law.
(100) 'They showed Jesus a gold piece and said to him: Caesar’s men demand tribute from us. He said to them: What belongs to Caesar, give to Caesar; what belongs to God, give to God; and what is mine, give it to me.'
Ooh... another good point. I learn a lot on the MT.
render unto cesar that which is cesars. Meaning follow the law.
That's not my interpretaion. Seems to me he's saying leave earthly pursuits to the earth while spiritual matters belong with the spritual/'God'/Jesus. It says nothing about the law.
(100) 'They showed Jesus a gold piece and said to him: Caesar’s men demand tribute from us. He said to them: What belongs to Caesar, give to Caesar; what belongs to God, give to God; and what is mine, give it to me.'
Ooh... another good point. I learn a lot on the MT.
the Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.
I'm not at all saying this guy is right, I'm just pointing you in the direction you sought. I think we're all learning a bit on this subject. Maybe it deserves its own thread. We can for the Death Penalty Trilogy of threads!
I don't know; I still tend to think they are. I'd like to see this research that supposedly shows otherwise.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "that which is Cesar's" was not enacted in the name of Jesus. The death penalty in the United States, however, is enacted in the name of each of the citizens of the United States. I think it's the moral and Christian responsibility of the people of the U.S. to stand up and say Not in my name.
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the Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.
I'm not at all saying this guy is right, I'm just pointing you in the direction you sought. I think we're all learning a bit on this subject. Maybe it deserves its own thread. We can for the Death Penalty Trilogy of threads!
I don't know; I still tend to think they are. I'd like to see this research that supposedly shows otherwise.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "that which is Cesar's" was not enacted in the name of Jesus. The death penalty in the United States, however, is enacted in the name of each of the citizens of the United States. I think it's the moral and Christian responsibility of the people of the U.S. to stand up and say Not in my name.
Thanks for the info. I'm still skeptical.
Haha! I totally thought of starting another thread about it - or about Jesus and the law in general. The Death Penalty Trilogy?
the Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.
I'm not at all saying this guy is right, I'm just pointing you in the direction you sought. I think we're all learning a bit on this subject. Maybe it deserves its own thread. We can for the Death Penalty Trilogy of threads!
That's just one skewered interpretation, though it sounds like bollocks to me. The fact that he may not have made reference to any specific laws does not mean that he supported them.
And did the Biblical Jesus really not disobey the law? I'd say the complete opposite was true.
it's actually really not that funny. commy raises a good point. i've seen inconsistencies in some peoples posts here, compared to what they say in other threads.
so many people who support the death penalty are blind to their own logical inconsistencies. they have no problem whining and moaning about the government having control in other matters, but when government tries to assume the greatest power that that any government can claim to have, the power to murder its own citizens, they are blinded, and can't see the inconsistency of supporting the death penalty and how that contradicts their otherwise freedom principles.
no government acting genuinely as a servant of the people should be allowed to have that kind of power.
it's actually really not that funny. commy raises a good point. i've seen inconsistencies in some peoples posts here, compared to what they say in other threads.
so many people who support the death penalty are blind to their own logical inconsistencies. they have no problem whining and moaning about the government having control in other matters, but when government tries to assume the greatest power that that any government can claim to have, the power to murder its own citizens, they are blinded, and can't see the inconsistency of supporting the death penalty and how that contradicts their otherwise freedom principles.
no government acting genuinely as a servant of the people should be allowed to have that kind of power.
tricky situation cause if the government were not involved in any way there might be a lot of lynch mob Justis on the streets.
my most favorite thread ever, has turned into jesus and god and heaven and hell.
nice job.
where are the biblical figures moses and noah?
would noah drown an evil preditor who was molesting and torturing children on his ship?
throw the fucker overboard?
moses?
would he beat a rapist serial killer maniac with his walking stick
and crush their head with his inscribed stone tablets?
these question are haunting.
i personally, will not sleep tonight.
I think you two maybe should start drinking. that might be the problem.
don't be a stranger there, bill.
you are invited too.
mr. bill pumpkin you are about to get shitty.
we have moses, noah, the godfather, myself and jesus gathered around the picnic table.
we like good drink, good food, and good conversation.
jesus says i can smoke myself silly if i want to.
jesus likes me more than some evil dog shit fucker.
it's just the way it is.
I think you two maybe should start drinking. that might be the problem.
don't be a stranger there, bill.
you are invited too.
mr. bill pumpkin you are about to get shitty.
we have moses, noah, the godfather, myself and jesus gathered around the picnic table.
we like good drink, good food, and good conversation.
jesus says i can smoke myself silly if i want to.
jesus likes me more than some evil dog shit fucker.
it's just the way it is.
see that's what you pro DP folk don't understand. i have lost someone who was infinitely precious to me at the hands of another, and i can tell you, i don't need to lay there at night an imagine what they went through. i'm already living every single day without them. it's hard enough as it is without torturing myself further. nothing will ever bring them back. the life of the person that killed my brother is not considered an equal trade for him, and never will be. some total stranger assuming that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up, has no clue. how about asking us what we want. there's a thought.
it's actually really not that funny. commy raises a good point. i've seen inconsistencies in some peoples posts here, compared to what they say in other threads.
so many people who support the death penalty are blind to their own logical inconsistencies. they have no problem whining and moaning about the government having control in other matters, but when government tries to assume the greatest power that that any government can claim to have, the power to murder its own citizens, they are blinded, and can't see the inconsistency of supporting the death penalty and how that contradicts their otherwise freedom principles.
no government acting genuinely as a servant of the people should be allowed to have that kind of power.
There's a clear diference that anyone with a shred of common sense should be able to see.
So if you rape a 13-year-old girl should you get the death penalty?
You're referring to Polanski? Personally, I think the Swiss did the right thing. He already served time in prison and since then has committed no similar offence, but has gone on to produce a bunch of acclaimed movies as well as get married and raise a family. I don't see how dragging up a 33 year old case would help anyone, the girl included, who has expressed her wish to see the case dropped. This is just a case of revenge on the part of the U.S authorities over the fact that he fled the country after the dodgy dealings of the corrupt judge in charge of the original case.
Chad I don't drink but if we ever hook up I'll have a few with you my friend !
Godfather.
i don't drink either.
very very rarely.
and yes i would share a bottle of whiskey with you.
or wine.
sit around the campfire and get shitty.
It's funny you say this. I have thought of this many times, of what it would be like to hook up with certain people on the train, chill by a fire, and catch a little buzz chewing the fat.
Some night i'd like to hang with:
Chad
Ed
Triumphantangel
commy
gimmie
prfctlefts
scb
g under p
norm
Godfather
Byrnzie
unsung
Jeanwah
Probably forgot a few that i'd like to meet, that's off the top of my head. Fuck, probably turn out to be a big ass fucking brawl anyways.
So if you rape a 13-year-old girl should you get the death penalty?
You're referring to Polanski? Personally, I think the Swiss did the right thing. He already served time in prison and since then has committed no similar offence, but has gone on to produce a bunch of acclaimed movies as well as get married and raise a family. I don't see how dragging up a 33 year old case would help anyone, the girl included, who has expressed her wish to see the case dropped. This is just a case of revenge on the part of the U.S authorities over the fact that he fled the country after the dodgy dealings of the corrupt judge in charge of the original case.
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Ooh... another good point. I learn a lot on the MT.
do you ?
Godfather.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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what can i say billy.. i like to watch. and this thread is itself akin to a slow slow torture. and i dont know about you but i love a little pain.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
the Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.
I'm not at all saying this guy is right, I'm just pointing you in the direction you sought. I think we're all learning a bit on this subject. Maybe it deserves its own thread. We can for the Death Penalty Trilogy of threads!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I do. Don't you?
Thanks for the info. I'm still skeptical.
Haha! I totally thought of starting another thread about it - or about Jesus and the law in general. The Death Penalty Trilogy?
.....this shit never happens to me.....
That's just one skewered interpretation, though it sounds like bollocks to me. The fact that he may not have made reference to any specific laws does not mean that he supported them.
And did the Biblical Jesus really not disobey the law? I'd say the complete opposite was true.
we already have...it's called obama
Godfather.
so many people who support the death penalty are blind to their own logical inconsistencies. they have no problem whining and moaning about the government having control in other matters, but when government tries to assume the greatest power that that any government can claim to have, the power to murder its own citizens, they are blinded, and can't see the inconsistency of supporting the death penalty and how that contradicts their otherwise freedom principles.
no government acting genuinely as a servant of the people should be allowed to have that kind of power.
tricky situation cause if the government were not involved in any way there might be a lot of lynch mob Justis on the streets.
Godfather.
nice job.
where are the biblical figures moses and noah?
would noah drown an evil preditor who was molesting and torturing children on his ship?
throw the fucker overboard?
moses?
would he beat a rapist serial killer maniac with his walking stick
and crush their head with his inscribed stone tablets?
these question are haunting.
i personally, will not sleep tonight.
good luck.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Godfather.
very very rarely.
and yes i would share a bottle of whiskey with you.
or wine.
sit around the campfire and get shitty.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
problem...nahhhhhhh
Godfather.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
you are invited too.
mr. bill pumpkin you are about to get shitty.
we have moses, noah, the godfather, myself and jesus gathered around the picnic table.
we like good drink, good food, and good conversation.
jesus says i can smoke myself silly if i want to.
jesus likes me more than some evil dog shit fucker.
it's just the way it is.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
sounds like a good time
Godfather.
No one is suggesting that the government not be involved in any way.
I'm so sorry you lost your brother. :(
:shock:
There's a clear diference that anyone with a shred of common sense should be able to see.
You're referring to Polanski? Personally, I think the Swiss did the right thing. He already served time in prison and since then has committed no similar offence, but has gone on to produce a bunch of acclaimed movies as well as get married and raise a family. I don't see how dragging up a 33 year old case would help anyone, the girl included, who has expressed her wish to see the case dropped. This is just a case of revenge on the part of the U.S authorities over the fact that he fled the country after the dodgy dealings of the corrupt judge in charge of the original case.
Just my two-cents worth.
It's funny you say this. I have thought of this many times, of what it would be like to hook up with certain people on the train, chill by a fire, and catch a little buzz chewing the fat.
Some night i'd like to hang with:
Chad
Ed
Triumphantangel
commy
gimmie
prfctlefts
scb
g under p
norm
Godfather
Byrnzie
unsung
Jeanwah
Probably forgot a few that i'd like to meet, that's off the top of my head. Fuck, probably turn out to be a big ass fucking brawl anyways.
Agree