You know, I can kind of understand how you can support the death penalty. But I absolutely cannot understand how you could think there's something WRONG with a person who doesn't celebrate when people are put to death.
i guarantee all of you, that i personally would smoke 'em all with a wonderful instrument called a smith & wesson .357 magnum... it would be so beautiful to watch them cry before blowing their small brains apart.
in fact light and angels would be task upon me with trumpets blaring.
it is fact. and i love it.
no offense dude, but seriously, this is fucked up stuff. unfortunately, I think you may take that as a compliment.
and we think letting murderers live is fucked up
let us agree to disagree
I can see where people might think the "caught-redhanded scumbags that do terrible things" and are put to death is a good thing. I get it.
--however--
I cannot fathom on any level how (and you didnt answer my question last time, sO i assume you avoided it) anyone can support a barbaric system that has ever executed an innocent person. Again, if we have executed ONE innocent person, the sytem is SERIOUSLY FLAWED!
SO do you agree with the DP despite that we may have executed innocent lives?
but ok, you're gonna say, "no, this is just for the caught redhanded folks."
Too bad It just doenst work that way. The system sucks.
it's not a deterrant. It often costs more than prison. And there have been mistakes. Case closed. The state sanctioned DP system is flawed.
nothing is wrong with me, i just happen to have a different opinion from you on this issue.
like i've already mentioned, i feel the death penalty is inhumane, sick and barbaric. state-sanctioned murder is murder too. it's that simple. how any country can murder their own citizens, or anyone else for that matter, and still claim to be civilized is beyond me.
and i believe that any country that allows murderers to live out their days being housed and fed
is uncivilized
let us agree to disagree
Again, though I can kind of understand your support of the deathh penalty, I don't understand your argument that NOT killing someone is UNCIVILIZED. How is it uncivilized? :?
Again, though I can kind of understand your support of the deathh penalty, I don't understand your argument that NOT killing someone is UNCIVILIZED. How is it uncivilized? :?
I think keeping someone alive in prison for the rest of their life is far more barbaric than killing them. Anyone here ever had to put down a mortally wounded or dying pet? I have and it seemed a hell of a lot less cruel than watching them die slowly. I'll take a civilized bullet to the brain, if I get a choice.
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Ed, I think many people here have been pretty clear throughout this thread that our opposition to the death penalty isn't about sympathy for criminals, have we not?
days ago i asked if hitler, ss nazis, and dr. josef mengele = aka angel of death, should be executed if they were all alive today... i was not quite shocked by the answers..
it is true, i was not surprised by their responses.
can you believe it?
i guarantee all of you, that i personally would smoke 'em all with a wonderful instrument called a smith & wesson .357 magnum... it would be so beautiful to watch them cry before blowing their small brains apart.
in fact light and angels would be task upon me with trumpets blaring.
it is fact.
and i love it.
It's a fact, huh? I'm pretty sure the only fact here is that you really have absolutely no idea how you would react if you were in such a situation. Not only might you not even pull the trigger, but you might even cry like a little baby if you ever really killed anyone. As you should. I'd be willing to bet you're all talk, frankly.
Again, though I can kind of understand your support of the deathh penalty, I don't understand your argument that NOT killing someone is UNCIVILIZED. How is it uncivilized? :?
I think keeping someone alive in prison for the rest of their life is far more barbaric than killing them. Anyone here ever had to put down a mortally wounded or dying pet? I have and it seemed a hell of a lot less cruel than watching them die slowly. I'll take a civilized bullet to the brain, if I get a choice.
Okay, I agree that prison is worse than death, which is another reason I think it's more of a punishment. But I don't think this is what ed meant. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
so you would have felt pain if dahmer had been executed?
or gacy?
or hitler?
this may shock and/or surprise you, and even to some on my end of the capital punishment debate, but I personally found even Saddam Hussein's execution sickening. How it was carried out, and that it was carried out at all.
+1 Sickening is the perfect word.
if his execution was sickening
what word would you use to describe the million he murdered
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this may shock and/or surprise you, and even to some on my end of the capital punishment debate, but I personally found even Saddam Hussein's execution sickening. How it was carried out, and that it was carried out at all.
+1 Sickening is the perfect word.
if his execution was sickening
what word would you use to describe the million he murdered
Billy, Chad is a writer. You don't think he just says certain things for dramatic effect? While I know he supports the death penalty, he isn't out scalping people and wearing their skin. I'm the one doing that.
i love you my friend.
we are like twins.
i love words.
dramatic effect?
surely not me!
all in all it is fact.
scum bags should rot in a cold shallow and dark nameless tomb
this should probably have its own thread because it will get lost in the 59 pages of this thread....
here is one for you pro-DP types....is this case justified? Stoning to death for alleged adultry? even after having 99 lashes? does the punishment fit the crime? is the death penalty justified? if you say no, then what is the difference between this case and putting a bullet in someone's head as some of you seem to get aroused over? to me this is the most cruel, inhuman, and barbaric form of punishment and is a complete human rights abuse...
Iranian widow faces being stoned to death in days
Campaign hopes to save alleged adulterer from 'cruel and inhuman' death
Human rights groups, government officials and celebrities are appealing to Iran to halt death-by-stoning plans for a convicted adulterer.
The execution of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 43, who has already spent five years in prison and received 99 lashes for alleged adultery, would "disgust and appall the watching world", the British Government declared, according to a Thursday report in U.K. newspaper The Times.
New York-based Human Rights Watch said Iran should stop Ashtiani's and all death sentences.
"Death by stoning is always cruel and inhuman, and it is especially abhorrent in cases where judges rely on their own hunches instead of evidence to proclaim a defendant guilty," said Nadya Khalife, Middle East women's rights researcher at Human Rights Watch in a statement on its website. "Iran should immediately put a stop to this execution – and all executions."
Celebrities signing up to campaign for Ashtiani's release include Sir David Hare, the playwright, actress Emma Thompson, actress Juliette Binoche, fashion designer Katherine Hamnett and actor Colin Firth, The Times said.
Even American jail-bound actress Lindsay Lohan got in on the act. On Twitter, she posted a series of messages about the "cruel and inhuman" punishment and linked to a Wednesday Newsweek story about Ashtiani.
The Newsweek story said Ashtiani could be buried up to her breasts and stoned to death as early as this coming weekend.
She is being held in a local jail in the northern Iran town of Tabriz, the U.K.'s Daily Express reported.
In May 2006, a criminal court in East Azerbaijan province found Ashtiani guilty of having had an "illicit relationship" with two men following the death of her husband.
But that September, during the trial of a man accused of murdering her husband, another court reopened an adultery case based on events that allegedly took place before her husband died, the BBC reported.
Despite retracting a confession she said she had been forced to make under duress, Ashtiani was convicted of "adultery while being married" and sentenced to death by stoning.
Ashtiani, a mother of two, denies the charges. She has been in prison since 2006 and has already been given 99 lashes. She has lost appeals for clemency.
Under Iran's strict interpretation of Islamic law, sex before marriage is punishable by a hundred lashes, but married offenders are sentenced to death by stoning, the BBC reported.
'Nightmare'
Ashtiani's son Sajad, 22, and daughter Farideh, 17, told the London-based Guardian newspaper last week that their mother has been unjustly accused and already punished for something she did not do.
"She's innocent, she's been there for five years for doing nothing," Sajad told the Guardian. He described the imminent execution as barbaric. "Imagining her, bound inside a deep hole in the ground, stoned to death, has been a nightmare for me and my sister for all these years."
On Friday, protesters gathered outside the Iranian embassy in London to demand Ashtiani's release, the Guardian said.
Five years ago when Sakineh was flogged, Sajad was 17 and present in the punishment room, he told the Guardian. "They lashed her just in front my eyes, this has been carved in my mind since then."
Sajad and Farideh Ashtiani wrote a letter on June 26 asking the public, "Please help our mother return home!"
Mohammed Mostafaei, an Iranian lawyer who volunteered to represent Ashtiani when her sentence was announced a few months ago, called the planned stoning "an absolutely illegal sentence."
"Two of five judges who investigated Sakineh's case in Tabriz prison concluded that there's no forensic evidence of adultery," Mostafaei told the Guardian. "According to the law, death sentence and especially stoning needs explicit evidences and witnesses while in her case, surprisingly, the judge's knowledge was considered as enough," he said.
European Union Foreign Affairs chief Catherine Ashton told Iran in a letter that she was "deeply concerned" about Ashtiani and other pending executions, the Express reported.
Calling death by stoning "a particularly cruel method of execution which amounts to torture," Ashton said, "I call on Iran to halt these executions."
Amnesty International has contacted the Iranian government directly to appeal for clemency, the Express reported. The organization also offers support for Ashtiani on its website.
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It's a fact, huh? I'm pretty sure the only fact here is that you really have absolutely no idea how you would react if you were in such a situation. Not only might you not even pull the trigger, but you might even cry like a little baby if you ever really killed anyone. As you should. I'd be willing to bet you're all talk, frankly.
sure i would shed a tear for offing a nasty evil monster. (i cry and i do not care who knows it, men cry)
it is weeping for them i can do after blowing their brains out.
i have never killed a human being before so it is uncharted territory for me. (again, they are not human they just look like they are, i believe they are the devil.)
i would like to believe i am far from all talk.
i grew up with prison shit 24x7, for 30 long years i watched the iowa state penitentiary destroy my father who was employed by the state to watch over evil and good, not all convicts are cruel.
when a beast tortures and rapes and murders innocents they deserve a swift bullet to the skull.
call me goofy, call me crazy and nasty, say i am just as evil as the monster, i do not care.
i love love, i do not stand, i will not stand for cruel bullshit.
i suggest you fuckers get employed by a maximum security prison.
let me know if you are still employed after a few days of walking the yard alone or escorting the worst immates to shower or the exercise pens. you will soon discover what evil is all about.
24x7 they want to torture, rape, and kill.
hell, female guards get terrible letters from these maniacs on how they will be raped and tortured once the rioting starts up.
You know, I can kind of understand how you can support the death penalty. But I absolutely cannot understand how you could think there's something WRONG with a person who doesn't celebrate when people are put to death.
i do not need anyone to celebrate
i want murderers to be put to death
off topic
how do you feel when a dog is put down for mauling a child?
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i do not need anyone to celebrate
i want murderers to be put to death
off topic
how do you feel when a dog is put down for mauling a child?
off topic
do you folks use a fly swatter?
do you smash spiders?
these are very real questions and i would like real honest answers.
do you kill snails when snails are eating your garden?
Billy, Chad is a writer. You don't think he just says certain things for dramatic effect? While I know he supports the death penalty, he isn't out scalping people and wearing their skin. I'm the one doing that.
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You know, I can kind of understand how you can support the death penalty. But I absolutely cannot understand how you could think there's something WRONG with a person who doesn't celebrate when people are put to death.
i do not need anyone to celebrate
i want murderers to be put to death
off topic
how do you feel when a dog is put down for mauling a child?
I just think it was inappropriate to say that something is WRONG with people who feel sick upon seeing the execution of another person. Personally, I think it's more likely that something is wrong with someone who doesn't feel sick.
I'm opposed to animals being put down unless it's in the animal's best interest.
Billy, Chad is a writer. You don't think he just says certain things for dramatic effect? While I know he supports the death penalty, he isn't out scalping people and wearing their skin. I'm the one doing that.
this should probably have its own thread because it will get lost in the 59 pages of this thread....
here is one for you pro-DP types....is this case justified? Stoning to death for alleged adultry? even after having 99 lashes? does the punishment fit the crime? is the death penalty justified? if you say no, then what is the difference between this case and putting a bullet in someone's head as some of you seem to get aroused over? to me this is the most cruel, inhuman, and barbaric form of punishment and is a complete human rights abuse...
Iranian widow faces being stoned to death in days
Campaign hopes to save alleged adulterer from 'cruel and inhuman' death
Human rights groups, government officials and celebrities are appealing to Iran to halt death-by-stoning plans for a convicted adulterer.
The execution of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 43, who has already spent five years in prison and received 99 lashes for alleged adultery, would "disgust and appall the watching world", the British Government declared, according to a Thursday report in U.K. newspaper The Times.
New York-based Human Rights Watch said Iran should stop Ashtiani's and all death sentences.
"Death by stoning is always cruel and inhuman, and it is especially abhorrent in cases where judges rely on their own hunches instead of evidence to proclaim a defendant guilty," said Nadya Khalife, Middle East women's rights researcher at Human Rights Watch in a statement on its website. "Iran should immediately put a stop to this execution – and all executions."
Celebrities signing up to campaign for Ashtiani's release include Sir David Hare, the playwright, actress Emma Thompson, actress Juliette Binoche, fashion designer Katherine Hamnett and actor Colin Firth, The Times said.
Even American jail-bound actress Lindsay Lohan got in on the act. On Twitter, she posted a series of messages about the "cruel and inhuman" punishment and linked to a Wednesday Newsweek story about Ashtiani.
The Newsweek story said Ashtiani could be buried up to her breasts and stoned to death as early as this coming weekend.
She is being held in a local jail in the northern Iran town of Tabriz, the U.K.'s Daily Express reported.
In May 2006, a criminal court in East Azerbaijan province found Ashtiani guilty of having had an "illicit relationship" with two men following the death of her husband.
But that September, during the trial of a man accused of murdering her husband, another court reopened an adultery case based on events that allegedly took place before her husband died, the BBC reported.
Despite retracting a confession she said she had been forced to make under duress, Ashtiani was convicted of "adultery while being married" and sentenced to death by stoning.
Ashtiani, a mother of two, denies the charges. She has been in prison since 2006 and has already been given 99 lashes. She has lost appeals for clemency.
Under Iran's strict interpretation of Islamic law, sex before marriage is punishable by a hundred lashes, but married offenders are sentenced to death by stoning, the BBC reported.
'Nightmare'
Ashtiani's son Sajad, 22, and daughter Farideh, 17, told the London-based Guardian newspaper last week that their mother has been unjustly accused and already punished for something she did not do.
"She's innocent, she's been there for five years for doing nothing," Sajad told the Guardian. He described the imminent execution as barbaric. "Imagining her, bound inside a deep hole in the ground, stoned to death, has been a nightmare for me and my sister for all these years."
On Friday, protesters gathered outside the Iranian embassy in London to demand Ashtiani's release, the Guardian said.
Five years ago when Sakineh was flogged, Sajad was 17 and present in the punishment room, he told the Guardian. "They lashed her just in front my eyes, this has been carved in my mind since then."
Sajad and Farideh Ashtiani wrote a letter on June 26 asking the public, "Please help our mother return home!"
Mohammed Mostafaei, an Iranian lawyer who volunteered to represent Ashtiani when her sentence was announced a few months ago, called the planned stoning "an absolutely illegal sentence."
"Two of five judges who investigated Sakineh's case in Tabriz prison concluded that there's no forensic evidence of adultery," Mostafaei told the Guardian. "According to the law, death sentence and especially stoning needs explicit evidences and witnesses while in her case, surprisingly, the judge's knowledge was considered as enough," he said.
European Union Foreign Affairs chief Catherine Ashton told Iran in a letter that she was "deeply concerned" about Ashtiani and other pending executions, the Express reported.
Calling death by stoning "a particularly cruel method of execution which amounts to torture," Ashton said, "I call on Iran to halt these executions."
Amnesty International has contacted the Iranian government directly to appeal for clemency, the Express reported. The organization also offers support for Ashtiani on its website.
C'mon, man! This is a clear-cut case! She CONFESSED, after all! :roll:
i do not need anyone to celebrate
i want murderers to be put to death
off topic
how do you feel when a dog is put down for mauling a child?
off topic
do you folks use a fly swatter?
do you smash spiders?
these are very real questions and i would like real honest answers.
do you kill snails when snails are eating your garden?
Hasn't this question already been asked and answered? I avoid killing bugs if I can. If I do feel like they need to be killed - like the community of black widows that has kept me out of my back yard for the past year - then I prefer if someone else does it. And I still feel really bad.
Billy, Chad is a writer. You don't think he just says certain things for dramatic effect? While I know he supports the death penalty, he isn't out scalping people and wearing their skin. I'm the one doing that.
Frankly, I think the "I'm a writer" bullshit excuse is getting old.
how would it be in the animals best interest to be executed?
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how would it be in the animals best interest to be executed?
If they were sick or injured and in pain.
so if a healthy dog mauls a child
you would not "put it down"?
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well, you didn't exactly go to the prison for daycare, now, did you? Your Dad was there, not you. He just TOLD you about it. I know several maximum security prison guards, and they all love their jobs. And none of them are macho idiots, very soft spoken people. And yes, we have murderers and rapists and child molesters too. Of course it ain't all rosey, but it's not the picture you paint.
You talk about love for the human race like religious people talk about love for their god. That ain't love. That's fear. You hate these "monsters" because you fear them. You don't take time to understand the human brain, you just want to obliterate it the moment it malfunctions.
i grew up with prison shit 24x7, for 30 long years i watched the iowa state penitentiary destroy my father who was employed by the state to watch over evil and good, not all convicts are cruel.
when a beast tortures and rapes and murders innocents they deserve a swift bullet to the skull.
call me goofy, call me crazy and nasty, say i am just as evil as the monster, i do not care.
i love love, i do not stand, i will not stand for cruel bullshit.
i suggest you fuckers get employed by a maximum security prison.
let me know if you are still employed after a few days of walking the yard alone or escorting the worst immates to shower or the exercise pens. you will soon discover what evil is all about.
24x7 they want to torture, rape, and kill.
hell, female guards get terrible letters from these maniacs on how they will be raped and tortured once the rioting starts up.
quality times.
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Billy, Chad is a writer. You don't think he just says certain things for dramatic effect? While I know he supports the death penalty, he isn't out scalping people and wearing their skin. I'm the one doing that.
yet my words are fact.
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what would you do with it than?
and if it was your child and your dog?
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well, you didn't exactly go to the prison for daycare, now, did you? Your Dad was there, not you. He just TOLD you about it. I know several maximum security prison guards, and they all love their jobs. And none of them are macho idiots, very soft spoken people. And yes, we have murderers and rapists and child molesters too. Of course it ain't all rosey, but it's not the picture you paint.
You talk about love for the human race like religious people talk about love for their god. That ain't love. That's fear. You hate these "monsters" because you fear them. You don't take time to understand the human brain, you just want to obliterate it the moment it malfunctions.
i grew up with prison shit 24x7, for 30 long years i watched the iowa state penitentiary destroy my father who was employed by the state to watch over evil and good, not all convicts are cruel.
when a beast tortures and rapes and murders innocents they deserve a swift bullet to the skull.
call me goofy, call me crazy and nasty, say i am just as evil as the monster, i do not care.
i love love, i do not stand, i will not stand for cruel bullshit.
i suggest you fuckers get employed by a maximum security prison.
let me know if you are still employed after a few days of walking the yard alone or escorting the worst immates to shower or the exercise pens. you will soon discover what evil is all about.
24x7 they want to torture, rape, and kill.
hell, female guards get terrible letters from these maniacs on how they will be raped and tortured once the rioting starts up.
quality times.
ok dude, i paint a false picture.
whatever you want.
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You know, I can kind of understand how you can support the death penalty. But I absolutely cannot understand how you could think there's something WRONG with a person who doesn't celebrate when people are put to death.
I can see where people might think the "caught-redhanded scumbags that do terrible things" and are put to death is a good thing. I get it.
--however--
I cannot fathom on any level how (and you didnt answer my question last time, sO i assume you avoided it) anyone can support a barbaric system that has ever executed an innocent person. Again, if we have executed ONE innocent person, the sytem is SERIOUSLY FLAWED!
SO do you agree with the DP despite that we may have executed innocent lives?
but ok, you're gonna say, "no, this is just for the caught redhanded folks."
Too bad It just doenst work that way. The system sucks.
it's not a deterrant. It often costs more than prison. And there have been mistakes. Case closed. The state sanctioned DP system is flawed.
Again, though I can kind of understand your support of the deathh penalty, I don't understand your argument that NOT killing someone is UNCIVILIZED. How is it uncivilized? :?
I think keeping someone alive in prison for the rest of their life is far more barbaric than killing them. Anyone here ever had to put down a mortally wounded or dying pet? I have and it seemed a hell of a lot less cruel than watching them die slowly. I'll take a civilized bullet to the brain, if I get a choice.
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Ed, I think many people here have been pretty clear throughout this thread that our opposition to the death penalty isn't about sympathy for criminals, have we not?
It's a fact, huh? I'm pretty sure the only fact here is that you really have absolutely no idea how you would react if you were in such a situation. Not only might you not even pull the trigger, but you might even cry like a little baby if you ever really killed anyone. As you should. I'd be willing to bet you're all talk, frankly.
Okay, I agree that prison is worse than death, which is another reason I think it's more of a punishment. But I don't think this is what ed meant. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
if his execution was sickening
what word would you use to describe the million he murdered
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Same word.
we are like twins.
i love words.
dramatic effect?
surely not me!
all in all it is fact.
scum bags should rot in a cold shallow and dark nameless tomb
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here is one for you pro-DP types....is this case justified? Stoning to death for alleged adultry? even after having 99 lashes? does the punishment fit the crime? is the death penalty justified? if you say no, then what is the difference between this case and putting a bullet in someone's head as some of you seem to get aroused over? to me this is the most cruel, inhuman, and barbaric form of punishment and is a complete human rights abuse...
Iranian widow faces being stoned to death in days
Campaign hopes to save alleged adulterer from 'cruel and inhuman' death
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38140909/ns ... tn_africa/
Human rights groups, government officials and celebrities are appealing to Iran to halt death-by-stoning plans for a convicted adulterer.
The execution of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 43, who has already spent five years in prison and received 99 lashes for alleged adultery, would "disgust and appall the watching world", the British Government declared, according to a Thursday report in U.K. newspaper The Times.
New York-based Human Rights Watch said Iran should stop Ashtiani's and all death sentences.
"Death by stoning is always cruel and inhuman, and it is especially abhorrent in cases where judges rely on their own hunches instead of evidence to proclaim a defendant guilty," said Nadya Khalife, Middle East women's rights researcher at Human Rights Watch in a statement on its website. "Iran should immediately put a stop to this execution – and all executions."
Celebrities signing up to campaign for Ashtiani's release include Sir David Hare, the playwright, actress Emma Thompson, actress Juliette Binoche, fashion designer Katherine Hamnett and actor Colin Firth, The Times said.
Even American jail-bound actress Lindsay Lohan got in on the act. On Twitter, she posted a series of messages about the "cruel and inhuman" punishment and linked to a Wednesday Newsweek story about Ashtiani.
The Newsweek story said Ashtiani could be buried up to her breasts and stoned to death as early as this coming weekend.
She is being held in a local jail in the northern Iran town of Tabriz, the U.K.'s Daily Express reported.
In May 2006, a criminal court in East Azerbaijan province found Ashtiani guilty of having had an "illicit relationship" with two men following the death of her husband.
But that September, during the trial of a man accused of murdering her husband, another court reopened an adultery case based on events that allegedly took place before her husband died, the BBC reported.
Despite retracting a confession she said she had been forced to make under duress, Ashtiani was convicted of "adultery while being married" and sentenced to death by stoning.
Ashtiani, a mother of two, denies the charges. She has been in prison since 2006 and has already been given 99 lashes. She has lost appeals for clemency.
Under Iran's strict interpretation of Islamic law, sex before marriage is punishable by a hundred lashes, but married offenders are sentenced to death by stoning, the BBC reported.
'Nightmare'
Ashtiani's son Sajad, 22, and daughter Farideh, 17, told the London-based Guardian newspaper last week that their mother has been unjustly accused and already punished for something she did not do.
"She's innocent, she's been there for five years for doing nothing," Sajad told the Guardian. He described the imminent execution as barbaric. "Imagining her, bound inside a deep hole in the ground, stoned to death, has been a nightmare for me and my sister for all these years."
On Friday, protesters gathered outside the Iranian embassy in London to demand Ashtiani's release, the Guardian said.
Five years ago when Sakineh was flogged, Sajad was 17 and present in the punishment room, he told the Guardian. "They lashed her just in front my eyes, this has been carved in my mind since then."
Sajad and Farideh Ashtiani wrote a letter on June 26 asking the public, "Please help our mother return home!"
Mohammed Mostafaei, an Iranian lawyer who volunteered to represent Ashtiani when her sentence was announced a few months ago, called the planned stoning "an absolutely illegal sentence."
"Two of five judges who investigated Sakineh's case in Tabriz prison concluded that there's no forensic evidence of adultery," Mostafaei told the Guardian. "According to the law, death sentence and especially stoning needs explicit evidences and witnesses while in her case, surprisingly, the judge's knowledge was considered as enough," he said.
European Union Foreign Affairs chief Catherine Ashton told Iran in a letter that she was "deeply concerned" about Ashtiani and other pending executions, the Express reported.
Calling death by stoning "a particularly cruel method of execution which amounts to torture," Ashton said, "I call on Iran to halt these executions."
Amnesty International has contacted the Iranian government directly to appeal for clemency, the Express reported. The organization also offers support for Ashtiani on its website.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
sure i would shed a tear for offing a nasty evil monster. (i cry and i do not care who knows it, men cry)
it is weeping for them i can do after blowing their brains out.
i have never killed a human being before so it is uncharted territory for me. (again, they are not human they just look like they are, i believe they are the devil.)
i would like to believe i am far from all talk.
i grew up with prison shit 24x7, for 30 long years i watched the iowa state penitentiary destroy my father who was employed by the state to watch over evil and good, not all convicts are cruel.
when a beast tortures and rapes and murders innocents they deserve a swift bullet to the skull.
call me goofy, call me crazy and nasty, say i am just as evil as the monster, i do not care.
i love love, i do not stand, i will not stand for cruel bullshit.
i suggest you fuckers get employed by a maximum security prison.
let me know if you are still employed after a few days of walking the yard alone or escorting the worst immates to shower or the exercise pens. you will soon discover what evil is all about.
24x7 they want to torture, rape, and kill.
hell, female guards get terrible letters from these maniacs on how they will be raped and tortured once the rioting starts up.
quality times.
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i do not need anyone to celebrate
i want murderers to be put to death
off topic
how do you feel when a dog is put down for mauling a child?
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do you folks use a fly swatter?
do you smash spiders?
these are very real questions and i would like real honest answers.
do you kill snails when snails are eating your garden?
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I just think it was inappropriate to say that something is WRONG with people who feel sick upon seeing the execution of another person. Personally, I think it's more likely that something is wrong with someone who doesn't feel sick.
I'm opposed to animals being put down unless it's in the animal's best interest.
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C'mon, man! This is a clear-cut case! She CONFESSED, after all! :roll:
Hasn't this question already been asked and answered? I avoid killing bugs if I can. If I do feel like they need to be killed - like the community of black widows that has kept me out of my back yard for the past year - then I prefer if someone else does it. And I still feel really bad.
Frankly, I think the "I'm a writer" bullshit excuse is getting old.
how would it be in the animals best interest to be executed?
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If they were sick or injured and in pain.
so if a healthy dog mauls a child
you would not "put it down"?
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You talk about love for the human race like religious people talk about love for their god. That ain't love. That's fear. You hate these "monsters" because you fear them. You don't take time to understand the human brain, you just want to obliterate it the moment it malfunctions.
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Nope.
honestly, I feel compassion for both the human AND the animal. Animals were domesticated by stupid humans against their natural instinct to be so.
And most of these dogs are vicious to humans because of their "monster" owners. FACT.
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and if it was your child and your dog?
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ok dude, i paint a false picture.
whatever you want.
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