some fuckwad in the next county over shot and killed a 3 month old baby in front of state police yesterday. perfect candidate for execution.
I'm against the death penalty... but I might be able to overlook this guy's execution.
there's really no way for him to wriggle out of it...if he survives the gunshots he suffered from the police after he started firing on them. first, he said if the cops respond the the 911 call, he'll shoot his kid...that's pre-meditated murder, not a spur of the moment thing. second, he did it in front of the police...no dna evidence is needed, here.
personally, i really wish they had dropped him out of the helicopter when they were flying him to the hospital. oops, he slipped out.
I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.
But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.
I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.
But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.
that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.
that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.
the good thing is you don't need to ... all one has to look at are homicide rates in places where there is the death penalty vs. places where there isn't one ... you will see no effect to support the theory that capital punishment is a deterrent ...
that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.
the good thing is you don't need to ... all one has to look at are homicide rates in places where there is the death penalty vs. places where there isn't one ... you will see no effect to support the theory that capital punishment is a deterrent ...
yeah, good point. but i still think my statement holds water.
that story made me sad. I hope the fucker dies. Or lives and has his bearings about him so he remembers every goddamn day what he did to his defenseless son.
But what I DON'T hope for, is for other humans to decide that he needs to die.
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I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.
But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.
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In most states, Death Penalty sentences automatically trigger the appeals process... a process that can be argued all the way up to the Supreme Court. That is a lengthy process that costs taxpayers a lot of money (not including the costs of the incarceration awaiting appeals).
And there is always those exceptions...
Let me premise, I rarely source Wikipedia, but in this case, I haven't found an unbiased source regarding this case. It is the case of Cameron Todd Willingham, falsely executed in Texas for the arson fire that killed his 3 daughters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
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some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
and some will say he should live
i'd like to hear from the people who "truthfully" think this guy has a "right to life"
i understand i live in a state with no death penalty
and this is just hypothetical
I don't know if the guy has a right to life, but I do know that I have a right not to be forced to pay for an assassination. I want people like this locked up for life so that they can't hurt others, but I have no real desire to help finance a state-approved hit man to take someone's life. Killing a person is killing a person in my book. It doesn't matter whether I pay Joe the Schmoe on the corner to kill someone (I've paid for a hit) or pay my taxes and have them used to have someone kill Joe the Schmoe (I've paid for a hit.) It's the same thing. I'm not really into the get a killer-for-hire thing on any level.
I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.
But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.
that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.
some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
and some will say he should live
i'd like to hear from the people who "truthfully" think this guy has a "right to life"
i understand i live in a state with no death penalty
and this is just hypothetical
I don't know if the guy has a right to life, but I do know that I have a right not to be forced to pay for an assassination. I want people like this locked up for life so that they can't hurt others, but I have no real desire to help finance a state-approved hit man to take someone's life. Killing a person is killing a person in my book. It doesn't matter whether I pay Joe the Schmoe on the corner to kill someone (I've paid for a hit) or pay my taxes and have them used to have someone kill Joe the Schmoe (I've paid for a hit.) It's the same thing. I'm not really into the get a killer-for-hire thing on any level.
I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
scb
i am with chadwick here
i do not LOVE to hate murderers
i Hate murderers
once you decide to take a human life
you SHOULD lose all rights to life
why do you care about these monsters?
they torture kids and kill them
they rape grandparents and kill them
they tie people up a cut off body parts
where do you want these people?
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I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
scb
i am with chadwick here
i do not LOVE to hate murderers
i Hate murderers
once you decide to take a human life
you SHOULD lose all rights to life
why do you care about these monsters?
they torture kids and kill them
they rape grandparents and kill them
they tie people up a cut off body parts
where do you want these people?
i try to be a decent person.
offing a raving maniac should be entertainment.
we should sell popcorn and sodas at these fucking events where we run them down with trains.
scb
i am with chadwick here
i do not LOVE to hate murderers
i Hate murderers
once you decide to take a human life
you SHOULD lose all rights to life
why do you care about these monsters?
they torture kids and kill them
they rape grandparents and kill them
they tie people up a cut off body parts
where do you want these people?
no one here LOVES murderers ... saying so is almost as ludicrous as saying prisons were like some 5-star hedonistic resort ...
compassion for humanity is not strictly about individuals ... it is about people as a whole ... that compassion should be had for all, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation and yes criminals ... you paint a picture of the world that is black and white when in reality it is not ...
consider an army vet with ptsd ... he goes on a rampage in a school and kills a teacher and 3 kids ... is he really a monster? ... if so, who created him? ...
using violence to address violence rarely has a positive outcome ... again, it is this mentality that has led us to wars, genocide, concentration camps and the like ...
anyways - we're at that point where we are circling back to points made many pages ago ... it is just sad that people haven't listened ... i can appreciate someone who supports capital punishment however, i cannot appreciate someone who disagrees with an opposing viewpoint because of all the wrong reasons ...
if anyone is interested, there's a very good website out there that opposes the death penalty. they campaign on behalf of murder victims and their families.
their aim is "to put real faces on victim opposition to the death penalty by presenting photos and statements from survivors throughout the United States and around the world, along with photos of the murder victim and links to further information."
these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty. some of them have witnessed the dealth penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.
scb
i am with chadwick here
i do not LOVE to hate murderers
i Hate murderers
once you decide to take a human life
you SHOULD lose all rights to life
why do you care about these monsters?
they torture kids and kill them
they rape grandparents and kill them
they tie people up a cut off body parts
where do you want these people?
no one here LOVES murderers ... saying so is almost as ludicrous as saying prisons were like some 5-star hedonistic resort ...
compassion for humanity is not strictly about individuals ... it is about people as a whole ... that compassion should be had for all, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation and yes criminals ... you paint a picture of the world that is black and white when in reality it is not ...
consider an army vet with ptsd ... he goes on a rampage in a school and kills a teacher and 3 kids ... is he really a monster? ... if so, who created him? ...
using violence to address violence rarely has a positive outcome ... again, it is this mentality that has led us to wars, genocide, concentration camps and the like ...
anyways - we're at that point where we are circling back to points made many pages ago ... it is just sad that people haven't listened ... i can appreciate someone who supports capital punishment however, i cannot appreciate someone who disagrees with an opposing viewpoint because of all the wrong reasons ...
you really have to think hard about it and wonder, the people against the death penalty who believe there is no excuse to kill but these people that kill do it with out any regard for human life and they must believe that it's o.k to take a life so ya gotta wonder is o.k to take from that person (the killer) what they have taken from someone else ? and whose responsibility is it to carry out this punishment in some country's the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death"
that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases.
I can't see anybody being correct in this debate except for their own personal view on the subject.
the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death" that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases..
I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
scb
i am with chadwick here
i do not LOVE to hate murderers
i Hate murderers
once you decide to take a human life
you SHOULD lose all rights to life
why do you care about these monsters?
they torture kids and kill them
they rape grandparents and kill them
they tie people up a cut off body parts
where do you want these people?
exactly...
why does she care about these monsters?
good question.
the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death" that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases..
ugh. you stay classy, san diego.
actually that museum moved to L.A a few years ago, Hollywood area I think.
Be like me and remove the whole morality clause surrounding taking a life from the equation. Some folks are like rabid dogs. Does it really matter what bit them, or is it the end-result monster we need to worry about? Some people's lives take them down a truly unfortunate path from an early age and maybe they aren't to blame for their fucked up mental states or the harm they cause, but that doesn't erase the damage done or prevent them from doing it again. The rabid dogs should be removed from society forever. Nobody gives a bear a second chance. We as a society also need to focus on not creating so many rabid dogs in the first place, you know - find a cure rather than a lynch mob and then we won't have to shoot those poor foaming-mouth bastards so often.
In other words, you dumb mother fucking humans stop having babies you can't raise to be healthy, kind, productive members of this entire planet and various eco-systems. If you do that, I'll stop trying to kill everyone. :twisted:
I'm also a firm believer in frontier justice. If someone hurts a person I love, I don't need a court or anyone else to make sure "justice" is served. If it is important to me, I'll take care of it myself. I don't want some unbiased observer flipping a switch when I am perfectly capable of pulling a trigger.
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Be like me and remove the whole morality clause surrounding taking a life from the equation. Some folks are like rabid dogs. Does it really matter what bit them, or is it the end-result monster we need to worry about? Some people's lives take them down a truly unfortunate path from an early age and maybe they aren't to blame for their fucked up mental states or the harm they cause, but that doesn't erase the damage done or prevent them from doing it again. The rabid dogs should be removed from society forever. Nobody gives a bear a second chance. We as a society also need to focus on not creating so many rabid dogs in the first place, you know - find a cure rather than a lynch mob and then we won't have to shoot those poor foaming-mouth bastards so often.
In other words, you dumb mother fucking humans stop having babies you can't raise to be healthy, kind, productive members of this entire planet and various eco-systems. If you do that, I'll stop trying to kill everyone. :twisted:
I'm also a firm believer in frontier justice. If someone hurts a person I love, I don't need a court or anyone else to make sure "justice" is served. If it is important to me, I'll take care of it myself. I don't want some unbiased observer flipping a switch when I am perfectly capable of pulling a trigger.
very outstanding...
frontier justice.
incredible.
i applaud your beliefs.
Be like me and remove the whole morality clause surrounding taking a life from the equation. Some folks are like rabid dogs. Does it really matter what bit them, or is it the end-result monster we need to worry about? Some people's lives take them down a truly unfortunate path from an early age and maybe they aren't to blame for their fucked up mental states or the harm they cause, but that doesn't erase the damage done or prevent them from doing it again. The rabid dogs should be removed from society forever. Nobody gives a bear a second chance. We as a society also need to focus on not creating so many rabid dogs in the first place, you know - find a cure rather than a lynch mob and then we won't have to shoot those poor foaming-mouth bastards so often.
In other words, you dumb mother fucking humans stop having babies you can't raise to be healthy, kind, productive members of this entire planet and various eco-systems. If you do that, I'll stop trying to kill everyone. :twisted:
I'm also a firm believer in frontier justice. If someone hurts a person I love, I don't need a court or anyone else to make sure "justice" is served. If it is important to me, I'll take care of it myself. I don't want some unbiased observer flipping a switch when I am perfectly capable of pulling a trigger.
great point
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there's really no way for him to wriggle out of it...if he survives the gunshots he suffered from the police after he started firing on them. first, he said if the cops respond the the 911 call, he'll shoot his kid...that's pre-meditated murder, not a spur of the moment thing. second, he did it in front of the police...no dna evidence is needed, here.
personally, i really wish they had dropped him out of the helicopter when they were flying him to the hospital. oops, he slipped out.
But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.
that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.
the good thing is you don't need to ... all one has to look at are homicide rates in places where there is the death penalty vs. places where there isn't one ... you will see no effect to support the theory that capital punishment is a deterrent ...
yeah, good point. but i still think my statement holds water.
that story made me sad. I hope the fucker dies. Or lives and has his bearings about him so he remembers every goddamn day what he did to his defenseless son.
But what I DON'T hope for, is for other humans to decide that he needs to die.
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In most states, Death Penalty sentences automatically trigger the appeals process... a process that can be argued all the way up to the Supreme Court. That is a lengthy process that costs taxpayers a lot of money (not including the costs of the incarceration awaiting appeals).
And there is always those exceptions...
Let me premise, I rarely source Wikipedia, but in this case, I haven't found an unbiased source regarding this case. It is the case of Cameron Todd Willingham, falsely executed in Texas for the arson fire that killed his 3 daughters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't know if the guy has a right to life, but I do know that I have a right not to be forced to pay for an assassination. I want people like this locked up for life so that they can't hurt others, but I have no real desire to help finance a state-approved hit man to take someone's life. Killing a person is killing a person in my book. It doesn't matter whether I pay Joe the Schmoe on the corner to kill someone (I've paid for a hit) or pay my taxes and have them used to have someone kill Joe the Schmoe (I've paid for a hit.) It's the same thing. I'm not really into the get a killer-for-hire thing on any level.
and you didn't even know it.
keep up the amazing work.
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uselessness does not reason in its skull.
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fuck i'd do it for free.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
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i am sad
holy shit
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I am tired; my heart is
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btw, it's true.
and i been to heavy equipment school back in the day.
oddly enough, i can fire up and move an earth mover
in this case
a face & skull mover.
this tragic event makes me sad.
very much a nightmare.
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I am tired; my heart is
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no more forever."
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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scb
i am with chadwick here
i do not LOVE to hate murderers
i Hate murderers
once you decide to take a human life
you SHOULD lose all rights to life
why do you care about these monsters?
they torture kids and kill them
they rape grandparents and kill them
they tie people up a cut off body parts
where do you want these people?
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i try to be a decent person.
offing a raving maniac should be entertainment.
we should sell popcorn and sodas at these fucking events where we run them down with trains.
i know i'd feel like a million bucks.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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no one here LOVES murderers ... saying so is almost as ludicrous as saying prisons were like some 5-star hedonistic resort ...
compassion for humanity is not strictly about individuals ... it is about people as a whole ... that compassion should be had for all, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation and yes criminals ... you paint a picture of the world that is black and white when in reality it is not ...
consider an army vet with ptsd ... he goes on a rampage in a school and kills a teacher and 3 kids ... is he really a monster? ... if so, who created him? ...
using violence to address violence rarely has a positive outcome ... again, it is this mentality that has led us to wars, genocide, concentration camps and the like ...
anyways - we're at that point where we are circling back to points made many pages ago ... it is just sad that people haven't listened ... i can appreciate someone who supports capital punishment however, i cannot appreciate someone who disagrees with an opposing viewpoint because of all the wrong reasons ...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
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state-sanctioned murder is murder too. it's that simple. how any country can murder their own citizens and still claim to be civilized is beyond me.
as far as i'm concerned
evil should die.
simple shit.
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I am tired; my heart is
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their aim is "to put real faces on victim opposition to the death penalty by presenting photos and statements from survivors throughout the United States and around the world, along with photos of the murder victim and links to further information."
these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty. some of them have witnessed the dealth penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.
http://www.mvfhr.org/victims-stories
that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases.
I can't see anybody being correct in this debate except for their own personal view on the subject.
Godfather.
exactly...
why does she care about these monsters?
good question.
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I am tired; my heart is
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actually that museum moved to L.A a few years ago, Hollywood area I think.
Godfather.
In other words, you dumb mother fucking humans stop having babies you can't raise to be healthy, kind, productive members of this entire planet and various eco-systems. If you do that, I'll stop trying to kill everyone. :twisted:
I'm also a firm believer in frontier justice. If someone hurts a person I love, I don't need a court or anyone else to make sure "justice" is served. If it is important to me, I'll take care of it myself. I don't want some unbiased observer flipping a switch when I am perfectly capable of pulling a trigger.
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very outstanding...
frontier justice.
incredible.
i applaud your beliefs.
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
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great point
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