I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
scb
i am with chadwick here
i do not LOVE to hate murderers
i Hate murderers
once you decide to take a human life
you SHOULD lose all rights to life
why do you care about these monsters?
they torture kids and kill them
they rape grandparents and kill them
they tie people up a cut off body parts
where do you want these people?
i try to be a decent person. offing a raving maniac should be entertainment.
we should sell popcorn and sodas at these fucking events where we run them down with trains.
i know i'd feel like a million bucks.
Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?
I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
everyone except for . . . well, I guess I should divert this comment for another thread.
you really have to think hard about it and wonder, the people against the death penalty who believe there is no excuse to kill but these people that kill do it with out any regard for human life and they must believe that it's o.k to take a life so ya gotta wonder is o.k to take from that person (the killer) what they have taken from someone else ? and whose responsibility is it to carry out this punishment in some country's the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death"
that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases.
I can't see anybody being correct in this debate except for their own personal view on the subject.
Godfather.
Just because criminals think it's okay does not mean that we then have to think it's okay.
I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
everyone except for . . . well, I guess I should divert this comment for another thread.
Everyone period. And I'll be happy to have this conversation with you in the other thread.
Death Row Inmate Gets Chance To Prove Innocence
by Kathy Lohr
- June 23, 2010
A man convicted of murder nearly two decades ago will get a chance to present his claim of innocence in a federal court Wednesday.
Troy Anthony Davis was convicted in 1991 of murdering a Savannah, Ga., police officer. Nine witnesses to the shooting, which took place late at night in a fast-food restaurant parking lot, pointed to Davis as the killer.
Davis received the death penalty, but several years later, his lawyers say, seven of the witnesses recanted or changed their testimony.
Since then, Davis has tried to get a court to listen to them. Three times, his execution was stopped. Now a federal judge in Savannah will finally hear their testimony.
"From the moment Mr. Davis surrendered himself, he's proclaimed his innocence and never wavered from that," Jason Ewart, one of Davis' attorneys, says.
Ewart says for the first time in nearly 50 years, the U.S. Supreme Court took a case filed directly to it and ordered a lower court to hear new evidence. Unlike in a criminal trial, the burden of proof falls on Davis to show he is innocent.
But one of the big questions is, what is the standard of proof? Ewart says the defense will not have to prove Davis is innocent beyond a reasonable doubt, just that "more likely than not" he's innocent.
The case has drawn widespread attention. Amnesty International started a petition drive protesting Davis' execution several years ago. Former President Jimmy Carter and Pope Benedict XVI are among those who've written letters on behalf of Davis.
Laura Moye, director of Amnesty's Death Penalty Abolition Campaign, says it will be an incredibly uphill battle for Davis to "clearly establish his innocence."
But, she says, there are too many unanswered questions to go forward with his execution. There is no DNA evidence and no weapon was ever found.
"With a life sentence you can always open the door if there is a question of innocence," she says. "With the death penalty, if you get it wrong, how can the state ever give that human life back?"
Neither the Georgia attorney general's office, representing the state in federal court, nor the retired Savannah prosecutor would comment.
J. Tom Morgan, former district attorney in Atlanta, says it's difficult to reverse a conviction based on statements from recanted witnesses and that's for good reason.
"Did seven people lie under oath the first go around? And what was their motivation for lying back then?" he asks. "And what is their motivation now for coming forward and changing their story?"
Even though the DA at the time had a solid case, Morgan says, questions raised now about the possibility of executing an innocent man could be put to rest easily if the Georgia Parole Board would commute the sentence to life without parole.
"Life without the possibility of parole is a death sentence," he says. "It just takes a little longer and the state is not the one responsible for pulling the plug."
There was a great deal of pressure two decades ago for Savannah police to find a suspect in the murder of officer Mark MacPhail. People who oppose the death penalty say this case demonstrates that prosecutors, eyewitnesses and courts can sometimes get it wrong.
But those who favor the death penalty say this is exactly the kind of crime that cries out for it. They say just because a court is hearing Davis' claim of innocence doesn't mean his conviction will be overturned. [Copyright 2010 National Public Radio]
............
Saw this story this morning and thought it was relevant. Thoughts?
Death Row Inmate Gets Chance To Prove Innocence
by Kathy Lohr
- June 23, 2010
............
Saw this story this morning and thought it was relevant. Thoughts?
I say let him prove his innocence or sit in the cell for the rest of his life. It's been 20 years. Let him sit for another 50 unless he can prove his innocence.
But I feel he should only get the basic necessities. No TV, no radio. Just food, bed, and a toilet.
I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?[/quote]
scb
that is how chadwick expresses his anger towards murderers
i understand that
he is a much better person than any murderer
don't you agree?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
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BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?
this makes no sense ... why do people constantly infer something that isn't there?
the efficiency and standards of a prison system are a separate issue altogether and have absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why many of us are against capital punishment ...
So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?
this makes no sense ... why do people constantly infer something that isn't there?
the efficiency and standards of a prison system are a separate issue altogether and have absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why many of us are against capital punishment ...
wow
unreal
i would like to know your knowledge/experience of a maximum security prison.
Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?
So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?
this makes no sense ... why do people constantly infer something that isn't there?
the efficiency and standards of a prison system are a separate issue altogether and have absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why many of us are against capital punishment ...
I was just asking a question, I didn't infer anything.
I don't think it's a separate issue at all. Keeping murderers in prison puts others at risk. It's a fact, you can't deny that. You can argue the level of risk and whether or not it is acceptable risk, but it certainly adds risk.
practically on a daily basis and for 30 odd years my dad was at war with these evil beasts.
he had his nuts kicked in so many time i can't count.
piss, shit, and cum is filled in milk cartons and thrown on officers.
officers are beat with industrial mop ringers to within an inch of their lives.
escorting monsters to take a shower every other day or to exercise every other day is a nightmare.
they are locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
do you think they are nice people?
they want to kill, rape, and torture until the day they die.
because dad was who he was, his and his family's lives were threatened almost on a daily basis.
the iowa state patrol surrounded our house once during a prison break.
the inmate wanted to rape our mother, gouge our eyes out and slice all our throats before burning our home to the ground.
do you believe the iowa state patrol and my dad were nice to this maniac when they caught up with him only a short distance from our home?
i would like to know your knowledge/experience of a maximum security prison.
uhhh ... again - what the heck does that have to do with anything? ... tell me how not believing in capital punishment is:
a) saying we want guards to be at risk and
b) saying prisons are safe or not safe
maybe if you explained why you think it's such a good thing or address the concerns people have posted instead of just figuring out a thousand ways you would kill someone - maybe we could have some insight into your opinion ... i look forward to that because up until then - you haven't said much ...
i would like to know your knowledge/experience of a maximum security prison.
uhhh ... again - what the heck does that have to do with anything? ... tell me how not believing in capital punishment is:
a) saying we want guards to be at risk and
b) saying prisons are safe or not safe
maybe if you explained why you think it's such a good thing or address the concerns people have posted instead of just figuring out a thousand ways you would kill someone - maybe we could have some insight into your opinion ... i look forward to that because up until then - you haven't said much ...
i've been wasting my days in this thread.
i am out.
have fun.
and be well.
I was just asking a question, I didn't infer anything.
I don't think it's a separate issue at all. Keeping murderers in prison puts others at risk. It's a fact, you can't deny that. You can argue the level of risk and whether or not it is acceptable risk, but it certainly adds risk.
you are infering that people who are opposed to capital punishment believe security guards should be at risk ... you are basically saying:
oppose capital punishment = ok for prison guards to be at risk
it's like me saying ... you like sharks? ... therefore you are ok with surfers dying from sharks ... they are two separate things ...
opposing capital punishment has nothing to do with our viewpoints on security at prisons ...
Death Row Inmate Gets Chance To Prove Innocence
by Kathy Lohr
- June 23, 2010
............
Saw this story this morning and thought it was relevant. Thoughts?
I say let him prove his innocence or sit in the cell for the rest of his life. It's been 20 years. Let him sit for another 50 unless he can prove his innocence.
But I feel he should only get the basic necessities. No TV, no radio. Just food, bed, and a toilet.
Are you saying you think they should revoke his death penalty sentence?
I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?
No. My cousin is a prison guard and my dad used to work at a prison and my friend got nearly killed in a prison riot. I think we need total prison reform. The death penalty doesn't get rid of violence in prisons anyway.
Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?
scb
that is how chadwick expresses his anger towards murderers
i understand that
he is a much better person than any murderer
don't you agree?
You didn't answer the question. I can't really comment about whether chadwick is a better person than any murderer - I don't know him, and it's not really for me to judge anyway. For all I know, he may be a murderer himself.
practically on a daily basis and for 30 odd years my dad was at war with these evil beasts.
he had his nuts kicked in so many time i can't count.
piss, shit, and cum is filled in milk cartons and thrown on officers.
officers are beat with industrial mop ringers to within an inch of their lives.
escorting monsters to take a shower every other day or to exercise every other day is a nightmare.
they are locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
do you think they are nice people?
they want to kill, rape, and torture until the day they die.
because dad was who he was, his and his family's lives were threatened almost on a daily basis.
the iowa state patrol surrounded our house once during a prison break.
the inmate wanted to rape our mother, gouge our eyes out and slice all our throats before burning our home to the ground.
do you believe the iowa state patrol and my dad were nice to this maniac when they caught up with him only a short distance from our home?
to bad the bastard lived.
I'm sorry that happened to your dad and your family. Must have made for quite a frightening childhood.
practically on a daily basis and for 30 odd years my dad was at war with these evil beasts.
he had his nuts kicked in so many time i can't count.
piss, shit, and cum is filled in milk cartons and thrown on officers.
officers are beat with industrial mop ringers to within an inch of their lives.
escorting monsters to take a shower every other day or to exercise every other day is a nightmare.
they are locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
do you think they are nice people?
they want to kill, rape, and torture until the day they die.
because dad was who he was, his and his family's lives were threatened almost on a daily basis.
the iowa state patrol surrounded our house once during a prison break.
the inmate wanted to rape our mother, gouge our eyes out and slice all our throats before burning our home to the ground.
do you believe the iowa state patrol and my dad were nice to this maniac when they caught up with him only a short distance from our home?
to bad the bastard lived.
I'm sorry that happened to your dad and your family. Must have made for quite a frightening childhood.
on the contrary.
i knew my brothers and i were protected by the ole man and our mom.
in fact, what it did do was instill great values and respect into each of us.
it taught us to not fuck around with the evils of mankind.
a bullet into the pea brain of evil is swift justice.
wait... i thought i left this thread :?
btw, childhood for us was amazing.
the only time we were affraid was when we would fight one another with crude blunt weaponry.
You didn't answer the question. I can't really comment about whether chadwick is a better person than any murderer - I don't know him, and it's not really for me to judge anyway. For all I know, he may be a murderer himself.
i will tell you what i murder.
i murder the green buds i inhale almost on a daily basis.
i can kill a bong hit faster than you can blink your innocent little eyes.
they are burnt to death as a sacrifice and inhaled for my soul's insight.
i do not kill flies, ants, or any other bugs.
no spiders are smashed in my home ever.
i would never harm an animal.
snakes and other reptiles are worshipped.
when a child molester or some low life is put to death
i sleep like a baby dreaming of cloud castles in the sky.
Comments
I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
In prison.
Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?
Just because criminals think it's okay does not mean that we then have to think it's okay.
Everyone period. And I'll be happy to have this conversation with you in the other thread.
Death Row Inmate Gets Chance To Prove Innocence
by Kathy Lohr
- June 23, 2010
A man convicted of murder nearly two decades ago will get a chance to present his claim of innocence in a federal court Wednesday.
Troy Anthony Davis was convicted in 1991 of murdering a Savannah, Ga., police officer. Nine witnesses to the shooting, which took place late at night in a fast-food restaurant parking lot, pointed to Davis as the killer.
Davis received the death penalty, but several years later, his lawyers say, seven of the witnesses recanted or changed their testimony.
Since then, Davis has tried to get a court to listen to them. Three times, his execution was stopped. Now a federal judge in Savannah will finally hear their testimony.
"From the moment Mr. Davis surrendered himself, he's proclaimed his innocence and never wavered from that," Jason Ewart, one of Davis' attorneys, says.
Ewart says for the first time in nearly 50 years, the U.S. Supreme Court took a case filed directly to it and ordered a lower court to hear new evidence. Unlike in a criminal trial, the burden of proof falls on Davis to show he is innocent.
But one of the big questions is, what is the standard of proof? Ewart says the defense will not have to prove Davis is innocent beyond a reasonable doubt, just that "more likely than not" he's innocent.
The case has drawn widespread attention. Amnesty International started a petition drive protesting Davis' execution several years ago. Former President Jimmy Carter and Pope Benedict XVI are among those who've written letters on behalf of Davis.
Laura Moye, director of Amnesty's Death Penalty Abolition Campaign, says it will be an incredibly uphill battle for Davis to "clearly establish his innocence."
But, she says, there are too many unanswered questions to go forward with his execution. There is no DNA evidence and no weapon was ever found.
"With a life sentence you can always open the door if there is a question of innocence," she says. "With the death penalty, if you get it wrong, how can the state ever give that human life back?"
Neither the Georgia attorney general's office, representing the state in federal court, nor the retired Savannah prosecutor would comment.
J. Tom Morgan, former district attorney in Atlanta, says it's difficult to reverse a conviction based on statements from recanted witnesses and that's for good reason.
"Did seven people lie under oath the first go around? And what was their motivation for lying back then?" he asks. "And what is their motivation now for coming forward and changing their story?"
Even though the DA at the time had a solid case, Morgan says, questions raised now about the possibility of executing an innocent man could be put to rest easily if the Georgia Parole Board would commute the sentence to life without parole.
"Life without the possibility of parole is a death sentence," he says. "It just takes a little longer and the state is not the one responsible for pulling the plug."
There was a great deal of pressure two decades ago for Savannah police to find a suspect in the murder of officer Mark MacPhail. People who oppose the death penalty say this case demonstrates that prosecutors, eyewitnesses and courts can sometimes get it wrong.
But those who favor the death penalty say this is exactly the kind of crime that cries out for it. They say just because a court is hearing Davis' claim of innocence doesn't mean his conviction will be overturned. [Copyright 2010 National Public Radio]
............
Saw this story this morning and thought it was relevant. Thoughts?
But I feel he should only get the basic necessities. No TV, no radio. Just food, bed, and a toilet.
So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?
scb
that is how chadwick expresses his anger towards murderers
i understand that
he is a much better person than any murderer
don't you agree?
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
this makes no sense ... why do people constantly infer something that isn't there?
the efficiency and standards of a prison system are a separate issue altogether and have absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why many of us are against capital punishment ...
unreal
i would like to know your knowledge/experience of a maximum security prison.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I was just asking a question, I didn't infer anything.
I don't think it's a separate issue at all. Keeping murderers in prison puts others at risk. It's a fact, you can't deny that. You can argue the level of risk and whether or not it is acceptable risk, but it certainly adds risk.
he had his nuts kicked in so many time i can't count.
piss, shit, and cum is filled in milk cartons and thrown on officers.
officers are beat with industrial mop ringers to within an inch of their lives.
escorting monsters to take a shower every other day or to exercise every other day is a nightmare.
they are locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
do you think they are nice people?
they want to kill, rape, and torture until the day they die.
because dad was who he was, his and his family's lives were threatened almost on a daily basis.
the iowa state patrol surrounded our house once during a prison break.
the inmate wanted to rape our mother, gouge our eyes out and slice all our throats before burning our home to the ground.
do you believe the iowa state patrol and my dad were nice to this maniac when they caught up with him only a short distance from our home?
to bad the bastard lived.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
uhhh ... again - what the heck does that have to do with anything? ... tell me how not believing in capital punishment is:
a) saying we want guards to be at risk and
b) saying prisons are safe or not safe
maybe if you explained why you think it's such a good thing or address the concerns people have posted instead of just figuring out a thousand ways you would kill someone - maybe we could have some insight into your opinion ... i look forward to that because up until then - you haven't said much ...
i've been wasting my days in this thread.
i am out.
have fun.
and be well.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
you are infering that people who are opposed to capital punishment believe security guards should be at risk ... you are basically saying:
oppose capital punishment = ok for prison guards to be at risk
it's like me saying ... you like sharks? ... therefore you are ok with surfers dying from sharks ... they are two separate things ...
opposing capital punishment has nothing to do with our viewpoints on security at prisons ...
Are you saying you think they should revoke his death penalty sentence?
No. My cousin is a prison guard and my dad used to work at a prison and my friend got nearly killed in a prison riot. I think we need total prison reform. The death penalty doesn't get rid of violence in prisons anyway.
You didn't answer the question. I can't really comment about whether chadwick is a better person than any murderer - I don't know him, and it's not really for me to judge anyway. For all I know, he may be a murderer himself.
I'm sorry that happened to your dad and your family. Must have made for quite a frightening childhood.
on the contrary.
i knew my brothers and i were protected by the ole man and our mom.
in fact, what it did do was instill great values and respect into each of us.
it taught us to not fuck around with the evils of mankind.
a bullet into the pea brain of evil is swift justice.
wait... i thought i left this thread :?
btw, childhood for us was amazing.
the only time we were affraid was when we would fight one another with crude blunt weaponry.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i will tell you what i murder.
i murder the green buds i inhale almost on a daily basis.
i can kill a bong hit faster than you can blink your innocent little eyes.
they are burnt to death as a sacrifice and inhaled for my soul's insight.
i do not kill flies, ants, or any other bugs.
no spiders are smashed in my home ever.
i would never harm an animal.
snakes and other reptiles are worshipped.
when a child molester or some low life is put to death
i sleep like a baby dreaming of cloud castles in the sky.
true fact.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
how are you wonderful people this morning?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
feeling good ... the sun shines and the sky is a sharp blue ...
a perfect day for mean crazy people hunting.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
you enjoy that ... i'll be with all the peacenik hippies sipping sun-brewed ice tea eating free range fried chicken ...
i really really love free range fried chicken
can i come?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
of course you can come ... if we can clear your mind of wanting to pitchfork murderers for 10 mins ... it will be well worth it ...
i'll even give you 11 minutes of no pitchforking maniacs
i hope we are smokin killer green festival blend???
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce