the death penalty

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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    This is a fun thread today. :D
  • ed243421 wrote:
    why all the anger here?

    let me be clear one last time. there is no anger here. just passion for life, the right to it, and the love of my fellow human being, no matter how flawed.
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    Paul David wrote:
    you want to kill people and you're calling US angry? that would be comical if it wasn't so ridiculous.

    ed243421 wrote:
    why all the anger here?
    these are our opinions
    i believe mine
    you, yours
    i understand opinions can be changed
    but at this point in time
    this is where we are at
    and to get angry at someone
    because they do not believe what you do
    tells me that the angered ones
    are insecure in their own beliefs

    i no longer consider murderers people
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Paul David wrote:
    The imaginary world where the movie Moinority Report, or our guarantee that a person is 100% guilty IS NOT HERE.

    and that's it, isn't it?


    Thats all I need man.

    I cant imagine how many lives and families have been ruined by an innocent person being put on death row.
    I know, please dont say "well, guess how many lives have been ruined by an axe murderer!" Because I am aware of that too, and it is horribly sadening.

    What scares me is when i'm an innocent person and an axe murderer takes my head off.

    --but--

    What scares me even more is when i'm an innocent person and a lawyer, judge, random jury, and my government takes my head off.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    ed243421 wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    you want to kill people and you're calling US angry? that would be comical if it wasn't so ridiculous.

    ed243421 wrote:
    why all the anger here?
    these are our opinions
    i believe mine
    you, yours
    i understand opinions can be changed
    but at this point in time
    this is where we are at
    and to get angry at someone
    because they do not believe what you do
    tells me that the angered ones
    are insecure in their own beliefs

    i no longer consider murderers people

    Are you willing to consider wrongfully accused murderers people?
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    Paul David wrote:
    I can't reconcile "rights end where reality begins". Is that what you would have had African Americans believe in the 50's?

    I'd like to hear your explanation of just how human beings have a choice in their mental illnesses.

    I think African Americans of today would understand exactly what I mean. Their “rights” afford them equal treatment in the eyes of our law enforcement and court systems, but that isn’t how reality works. I didn't say that's how it should be. I said that's how it is.

    And I have my share of mental illness, that’s why I speak about it. Also, my job puts me in contact with those dealing with it. Some, like myself, are usually able to make healthy decisions even when their instincts are screaming at them to act differently. I know guys in management positions that wake up every night from horrible combat related nightmares, severe PTSD. Somehow they keep it together. Some can’t control themselves at all.
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  • Paul David wrote:
    I even think what they did to Saddam was disgusting. Do you think GWB deserves the same for all his crimes against humanity? How about all of the innocent lives he snuffed out for the greater American good?

    any of the pro death penalty folks here have any thoughts on this?
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    ed243421 wrote:
    johnny
    what facts do you have other than the numbers they have sold you?

    Just a few in case you were interested:

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty ... id=1101084

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

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    http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/deathpenalty.htm

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/

    This msnbc article was very good all the way around. In fact, It had me wondering about the future of the DP.
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