Who cares if the lottery can move somebody back to the 10th row...........cry me a river on that one. I haven't even made a 1st side section or floor yet.
your friend won the lottery, but was pushed backed (probably accidently or else i'm sure we would have heard many other complaints about this happening since the lottery was established). So the staff member switched the ticket to a lottery row that your friend would benefit from.
one randomly allocated lottery ticket was switched with another randomly allocated lottery ticket.
a mistake was made and handled in the most fair way possible.
I think the only thing that is solid here is that "winning" the lottery can indeed move people back, which would be nice if TC confirmed.
I would say if the 'pushing people back' scenario was the norm rather than the exception, then we would be hearing about it a lot more on the board as people on here aren't the most passive bunch.
This was most likely a case of human error in allocation.
As time goes on, PJ gets new fans. Some of which were toddlers in the early-mid 1990's and couldn't possibly purchase 10c memberships back then. Some simply become new fans later on. The pure seniority method creates a class system largely because of one's age and all but forbids someone who is younger, or joined later, from ever seeing the band from up close. The lottery system gives those people a chance that was never possible before of seeing the band up close. Without this, it's like a staunchy old gentleman's club and newcomers are dirt. I think the lottery opportunity is great. I truly hope that people with bad numbers, especially > 200,000 are given priority. I think the spirit is to give someone between 200,000 and 500,000 a chance never before a possibility. I would be disappointed if the spirit of this isn't being administered. I think it mostly is.
Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
a friend gets front row, without the lottery, at EVERY SHOW, because he joined the 10C early, and he deserves to be there... got his tickets last night, 10th row... not third, where he should have been, because he "won" the lottery, as in 10th row... or 9th, 1st, or 2nd. they are lottery rows...
What did the 10C do? Took tickets out of a front row lottery winner's envelope who didn't show up before us, it was maybe 5PM at the latest, switched the seats, my buddy got front row. He should have gotten third, not another fan's lottery winning ticket.
MY FRIEND DID NOTHING WRONG, he offered his tickets to everyone, realizing how messed up it was...
thanks for all the hatred in your posts, time to email the 10C, I won't respond IN THIS thread anymore, too much hatred from 10C ass kissers.
My question is are the envelopes now marked for the winners? How did the person know who had won the lottery unless they went through a bunch of envelopes looking for front row. When I won the lottery (front row in front of Stone) in Camden 2008 my envelope didn't have any markings on it.
sorry, this just doesnt make sense to me. how can you get your tickets and say "wait wait this is 10th row, I'm always in row x (whatever he usually says he is), I can't get pushed back".
How would the box office even know he is being honest, and just decide to upgrade him?
You're saying I can get my tickets, regardless of where they are, and claim there has been a mistake made because of the lottery, I can say "hey I usually get row 3" and they will swap me? maybe its just me but I dont see how this could go down
As time goes on, PJ gets new fans. Some of which were toddlers in the early-mid 1990's and couldn't possibly purchase 10c memberships back then. Some simply become new fans later on. The pure seniority method creates a class system largely because of one's age and all but forbids someone who is younger, or joined later, from ever seeing the band from up close. The lottery system gives those people a chance that was never possible before of seeing the band up close. Without this, it's like a staunchy old gentleman's club and newcomers are dirt. I think the lottery opportunity is great. I truly hope that people with bad numbers, especially > 200,000 are given priority. I think the spirit is to give someone between 200,000 and 500,000 a chance never before a possibility. I would be disappointed if the spirit of this isn't being administered. I think it mostly is.
Yeah and that's the problem I see with this situation. By someone being moved back from where they would normally be (row 3-4) they are taking away someone else's chance to win those tickets. Don't put someone with member number 50XXX in 10th row when someone with 400xxx could win it.
"There was a band playing in my head, and I felt like getting high"
sorry, this just doesnt make sense to me. how can you get your tickets and say "wait wait this is 10th row, I'm always in row x (whatever he usually says he is), I can't get pushed back".
How would the box office even know he is being honest, and just decide to upgrade him?
You're saying I can get my tickets, regardless of where they are, and claim there has been a mistake made because of the lottery, I can say "hey I usually get row 3" and they will swap me? maybe its just me but I dont see how this could go down
The box office called the 10C and they looked up his member number.
"There was a band playing in my head, and I felt like getting high"
a friend gets front row, without the lottery, at EVERY SHOW, because he joined the 10C early, and he deserves to be there... got his tickets last night, 10th row... not third, where he should have been, because he "won" the lottery, as in 10th row... or 9th, 1st, or 2nd. they are lottery rows...
What did the 10C do? Took tickets out of a front row lottery winner's envelope who didn't show up before us, it was maybe 5PM at the latest, switched the seats, my buddy got front row. He should have gotten third, not another fan's lottery winning ticket.
MY FRIEND DID NOTHING WRONG, he offered his tickets to everyone, realizing how messed up it was...
thanks for all the hatred in your posts, time to email the 10C, I won't respond IN THIS thread anymore, too much hatred from 10C ass kissers.
My question is are the envelopes now marked for the winners? How did the person know who had won the lottery unless they went through a bunch of envelopes looking for front row. When I won the lottery (front row in front of Stone) in Camden 2008 my envelope didn't have any markings on it.
My problem??
Why couldnt the guy had just gone to the window, seen he ended up with 10th row, said "thank you" and walked the fuck away???????
Instead, he complains, and someone else who had won 1st row tickets, gets screwed out of those tickets. Right?
Or did I read that wrong....
The person who ALWAYS gets in the first few rows, once again, ended up in the 1st few rows.....right???
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
this ticket swapping business has happened before ....to me......twice at least....i'm 90% sure
this would all be solved if they just print our name(s) on the tickets, it cant be that hard - it will prevent this ticket swapping at the box office and maybe reduce scalping.
some people don't show up for their tickets.... so this wouldn't work... :?
Why couldnt the guy had just gone to the window, seen he ended up with 10th row, said "thank you" and walked the fuck away???????
Instead, he complains, and someone else who had won 1st row tickets, gets screwed out of those tickets. Right?
Or did I read that wrong....
The person who ALWAYS gets in the first few rows, once again, ended up in the 1st few rows.....right???
We're making assumptions... which make an ass out of.... u ... and.... umption?
-Did they take tickets from a stack of "problem solving tickets" or from someone else's envelope? There's always tickets to help solve things quickly, and this may have been part of that, unless someone saw them looking thru individual envelopes.
-Did the person the OP is referring to ask for front row? Maybe they only asked for tickets where others with their member number were seated... and they decided to give him front row anyway. No way to know, and no reason to assume the MEMBER screwed anyone. He may have just asked the box office if he can sit with the other members in his number.
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*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Why couldnt the guy had just gone to the window, seen he ended up with 10th row, said "thank you" and walked the fuck away???????
Instead, he complains, and someone else who had won 1st row tickets, gets screwed out of those tickets. Right?
Or did I read that wrong....
The person who ALWAYS gets in the first few rows, once again, ended up in the 1st few rows.....right???
We're making assumptions... which make an ass out of.... u ... and.... umption?
-Did they take tickets from a stack of "problem solving tickets" or from someone else's envelope? There's always tickets to help solve things quickly, and this may have been part of that, unless someone saw them looking thru individual envelopes.
-Did the person the OP is referring to ask for front row? Maybe they only asked for tickets where others with their member number were seated... and they decided to give him front row anyway. No way to know, and no reason to assume the MEMBER screwed anyone. He may have just asked the box office if he can sit with the other members in his number.
He could have taken his envelope, said "thank you", walked the fuck away, seen he ended up in the 10th row, put the envelope in his pocket, and gone on with his day.
Right?
No problems
No hassles
No other envelopes being involved
Just take your envelope, say "thank you" and walk the fuck away.....With your 10th row tickets
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
The other part of this story that doesn't fly right with me is that the person then offered his tix - the new front row pair to everybody. Does that mean if someone with 451xxx with tix in the 3rd wings section on Stone's side would have offered him tix, your friend would have traded front row with him and wound up sitting much worse than the 10th row seats he originally got? Or was he trying to find someone in the first 5 rows to trade front row with?
For the original topic, I don't think we can assume that the tickets were taken from another member, they could have been from the band's allotment of seats.
That is why it's called a lottery. Some people are luckier than others and can be on a winning streak. And if you do win the lottery, why should your name be 'taken out of the bag'? If you win a tiny amount at lotto, should you not be able to have a chance again (maybe to win big money?). Lottery.
My brother and i have had probably about 20 sets of tickets that were lottery eligible, not a win between us. I completely agree that people should be removed from the lottery if they have already won. Plus there is just something wrong about someone going to one show and winning, and those of us who go to many never winning. Where is the loyalty? For a band that supports our current socialist administration, they should be all for giving everyone a shot, spreading the wealth around. The left is always about equal outcome for everyone, instead of equal opportunity for everyone.
your friend won the lottery, but was pushed backed (probably accidently or else i'm sure we would have heard many other complaints about this happening since the lottery was established). So the staff member switched the ticket to a lottery row that your friend would benefit from.
one randomly allocated lottery ticket was switched with another randomly allocated lottery ticket.
a mistake was made and handled in the most fair way possible.
your friend won the lottery, but was pushed backed (probably accidently or else i'm sure we would have heard many other complaints about this happening since the lottery was established). So the staff member switched the ticket to a lottery row that your friend would benefit from.
one randomly allocated lottery ticket was switched with another randomly allocated lottery ticket.
a mistake was made and handled in the most fair way possible.
To be fair, lets say the guy who the OP is referring to normally got 1st or 2nd Row before the lottery was added.
Ok, he got pushed back 2 rows...
Now "winning" the lottery pushes him back to Row 10?
So, he's now pushed back 9 rows. It would just be nice to know this is TC's policy, that's all. It's the principal of it.
I swear I remember a thread that the mods explained how the lottery works and that that winning the lottery could not get you further back, only forward - people that would have been in row 3 could win row 1 or 2, but not 9 or 10.
also I think it applies to that specific show - meaning if a member 'normally gets row 3' doesn't necessarily mean for any particular show that will hold true. for the person in question, they would have had to look at his member number and place him in sequence with all the others for that show to see where he should have eneded up.
maybe he got the 10th row tickets because of an honest mistake?
Oh whaaaa he would have had to sit in 10th row. I would be so excited if I could get in 10th row. I got 3rd row at an ED show with the random seating they had set up and I wish PJ would go to random seating. It was a great experience and I wish more people got the chance to be in the front. Personally I think 10club should flip the tickets so that the whinny brats that always get first row are in the back and the new people that actually still like the band get the front row. Being in the 10 Club longer does NOT make you a bigger fan and it does NOT make you more deserving then other members. The elitism and misplaced sense of entitlement that some people with low numbers have is just the antithesis of everything Pearl Jam stands for.
The reason the main stream is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin-
mistakes happen. suck it up and realize that at LEAST 95% of people in that audience will NEVER see pj that close. sucks for you that you got farther (further?) back than used to...but you have to realize that your complaining is really fucked up to those of us who never have and may never win the lottery. it's not about US hating. here's a heads up. the 10c is run by human beings. and by the way...shit happens.
another btw haha just because you have the $$ and were of age to purchase a membership does not make you any more or less deserving. but it's ok, i think they are working on a cure for foot in mouth syndrome.
Said friend gets row 3 every show he goes to . Cause he is a 10c he's now in the "lottery" and gets pushed back. Now said friend bitches and complains cause he was downgraded cause he won the lottery(bit odd if you ask me). So now ticket window girl switches those 10th row seats with front row seats cause another member didn't show up yet before 5 pm
1. Why is a member with that low of a number even in the lottery. Can't 10c exclude really low numbers from the lottery so things like this don't happen
2. I woulda bitched and complained if I got downgraded 7 rows back and knowing damn well I sit in row 3 for every show I go to.
3. Why wouldn't ticket window girl just put said row 3 member back in row 3 and not row 1
4. So cause front row lottery winner didn't show up by 5pm they get screwed out. Where does it say you have to show up by 5pm to get front row lottery seats. I'd like to know why ticket window girl thought this. Is this a rule that we(fans) don't know bout. If this is some unwritten rule by the ticket window people, that's bull shit and someone needs to look into that.
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I got 3rd row at an ED show with the random seating they had set up and I wish PJ would go to random seating. It was a great experience and I wish more people got the chance to be in the front.
You do get spoiled sitting in a certain area. And everyone has valid points. Seniority should reward long-time supporters. Young fans should have a chance and not get penalized for being young and not being born in the early 90s.
Personally, I usually get great seats, but I was "moved back" if you will for the Ed shows at the Ryman due to the random nature, but I didn't get pissy. It made me appreciate the work that the 10C put into it. And it was pretty cool when I met a young guy who just got into PJ in 2008 who got front row and had the time of his life that night.
People bitch to bitch, I understand that, but I will certainly not complain with whatever seats I get. If I "win" the lottery and get moved back, c'est la vie!
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We have a story about 2 ten club members here.
One ended up in the front row
The other ended up in the tenth row.
What the F is the big deal?
Who cares if the lottery can move somebody back to the 10th row...........cry me a river on that one. I haven't even made a 1st side section or floor yet.
I would say if the 'pushing people back' scenario was the norm rather than the exception, then we would be hearing about it a lot more on the board as people on here aren't the most passive bunch.
This was most likely a case of human error in allocation.
My question is are the envelopes now marked for the winners? How did the person know who had won the lottery unless they went through a bunch of envelopes looking for front row. When I won the lottery (front row in front of Stone) in Camden 2008 my envelope didn't have any markings on it.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
How would the box office even know he is being honest, and just decide to upgrade him?
You're saying I can get my tickets, regardless of where they are, and claim there has been a mistake made because of the lottery, I can say "hey I usually get row 3" and they will swap me? maybe its just me but I dont see how this could go down
Yeah and that's the problem I see with this situation. By someone being moved back from where they would normally be (row 3-4) they are taking away someone else's chance to win those tickets. Don't put someone with member number 50XXX in 10th row when someone with 400xxx could win it.
The box office called the 10C and they looked up his member number.
Why couldnt the guy had just gone to the window, seen he ended up with 10th row, said "thank you" and walked the fuck away???????
Instead, he complains, and someone else who had won 1st row tickets, gets screwed out of those tickets. Right?
Or did I read that wrong....
The person who ALWAYS gets in the first few rows, once again, ended up in the 1st few rows.....right???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Ok, he got pushed back 2 rows...
Now "winning" the lottery pushes him back to Row 10?
So, he's now pushed back 9 rows. It would just be nice to know this is TC's policy, that's all. It's the principal of it.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
some people don't show up for their tickets.... so this wouldn't work... :?
We're making assumptions... which make an ass out of.... u ... and.... umption?
-Did they take tickets from a stack of "problem solving tickets" or from someone else's envelope? There's always tickets to help solve things quickly, and this may have been part of that, unless someone saw them looking thru individual envelopes.
-Did the person the OP is referring to ask for front row? Maybe they only asked for tickets where others with their member number were seated... and they decided to give him front row anyway. No way to know, and no reason to assume the MEMBER screwed anyone. He may have just asked the box office if he can sit with the other members in his number.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Right?
No problems
No hassles
No other envelopes being involved
Just take your envelope, say "thank you" and walk the fuck away.....With your 10th row tickets
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
My brother and i have had probably about 20 sets of tickets that were lottery eligible, not a win between us. I completely agree that people should be removed from the lottery if they have already won. Plus there is just something wrong about someone going to one show and winning, and those of us who go to many never winning. Where is the loyalty? For a band that supports our current socialist administration, they should be all for giving everyone a shot, spreading the wealth around. The left is always about equal outcome for everyone, instead of equal opportunity for everyone.
this
silly bastards. i should be so lucky to get 10th row.
if there's anything i hate, it's a false sense of entitlement. :twisted:
+1
I swear I remember a thread that the mods explained how the lottery works and that that winning the lottery could not get you further back, only forward - people that would have been in row 3 could win row 1 or 2, but not 9 or 10.
also I think it applies to that specific show - meaning if a member 'normally gets row 3' doesn't necessarily mean for any particular show that will hold true. for the person in question, they would have had to look at his member number and place him in sequence with all the others for that show to see where he should have eneded up.
maybe he got the 10th row tickets because of an honest mistake?
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering too. And somehow they couldn't give away front row tix?
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
lame
mistakes happen. suck it up and realize that at LEAST 95% of people in that audience will NEVER see pj that close. sucks for you that you got farther (further?) back than used to...but you have to realize that your complaining is really fucked up to those of us who never have and may never win the lottery. it's not about US hating. here's a heads up. the 10c is run by human beings. and by the way...shit happens.
another btw haha just because you have the $$ and were of age to purchase a membership does not make you any more or less deserving. but it's ok, i think they are working on a cure for foot in mouth syndrome.
i hope they stick you in the back row at every show you go to from now on.
Said friend gets row 3 every show he goes to . Cause he is a 10c he's now in the "lottery" and gets pushed back. Now said friend bitches and complains cause he was downgraded cause he won the lottery(bit odd if you ask me). So now ticket window girl switches those 10th row seats with front row seats cause another member didn't show up yet before 5 pm
1. Why is a member with that low of a number even in the lottery. Can't 10c exclude really low numbers from the lottery so things like this don't happen
2. I woulda bitched and complained if I got downgraded 7 rows back and knowing damn well I sit in row 3 for every show I go to.
3. Why wouldn't ticket window girl just put said row 3 member back in row 3 and not row 1
4. So cause front row lottery winner didn't show up by 5pm they get screwed out. Where does it say you have to show up by 5pm to get front row lottery seats. I'd like to know why ticket window girl thought this. Is this a rule that we(fans) don't know bout. If this is some unwritten rule by the ticket window people, that's bull shit and someone needs to look into that.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
You do get spoiled sitting in a certain area. And everyone has valid points. Seniority should reward long-time supporters. Young fans should have a chance and not get penalized for being young and not being born in the early 90s.
Personally, I usually get great seats, but I was "moved back" if you will for the Ed shows at the Ryman due to the random nature, but I didn't get pissy. It made me appreciate the work that the 10C put into it. And it was pretty cool when I met a young guy who just got into PJ in 2008 who got front row and had the time of his life that night.
People bitch to bitch, I understand that, but I will certainly not complain with whatever seats I get. If I "win" the lottery and get moved back, c'est la vie!