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  • pjtaper
    pjtaper Posts: 3,020
    Elzar wrote:
    this ticket swapping business has happened before ....to me......twice at least....i'm 90% sure

    this would all be solved if they just print our name(s) on the tickets, it cant be that hard - it will prevent this ticket swapping at the box office and maybe reduce scalping.
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  • ereeper1
    ereeper1 Posts: 233
    Maybe 10c knew that this person was not coming.

    My wife has a friend with a very low number. Much better then mine and when we went together to get our tickets for Chicago 1 they didn't even have my wife's friend listed for tickets. After what seemed like forever they gave her tickets out of an envelope from a 10c member who bought tickets for the show, but they knew was unable to attend. I think it was 5th row. I will give 10c the benefit of the doubt on this one.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,232
    KO282453 wrote:
    4Powers20 wrote:
    this thread is pathetic. you are complaining about where in the first 10 rows you are sitting ??? Really? Maybe if we keep complaining 10club will stop doing tickets and we can all battle the scalpers on ticketmaster.

    be grateful you get to sit that close EVERY show. at the next show turn around and look at the nosebleeds and realize how fortunate you are.

    That is not what this thread is about, it's about false advertising if you imply a rows 1,2,9,10 are a lottery 10 Club upgrade, then make it so. Random allocation = bullshit lawyer talk for cover OUR ASS for doing what ever the F we want.


    again you are worried about being moved from row 3 to row 10. Get over it, or keep complaining and maybe they will end the tix completely and you will never get decent seats again.

    "false advertising" please.


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  • A satellite forever orbiting
    A satellite forever orbiting Posts: 1,888
    Elzar wrote:
    this ticket swapping business has happened before ....to me......twice at least....i'm 90% sure

    this would all be solved if they just print our name(s) on the tickets, it cant be that hard - it will prevent this ticket swapping at the box office and maybe reduce scalping.

    thats not how ticketmaster prints their tickets. but the 10c could seal the envelopes that have our names on them and give us sealed envelopes...that way, we know there were no swaps.
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  • Elzar
    Elzar Posts: 966
    A satellite forever orbiting wrote:
    Elzar wrote:
    this ticket swapping business has happened before ....to me......twice at least....i'm 90% sure

    this would all be solved if they just print our name(s) on the tickets, it cant be that hard - it will prevent this ticket swapping at the box office and maybe reduce scalping.

    thats not how ticketmaster prints their tickets. but the 10c could seal the envelopes that have our names on them and give us sealed envelopes...that way, we know there were no swaps.

    sounds good! lets do this!
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Elzar wrote:
    this ticket swapping business has happened before ....to me......twice at least....i'm 90% sure

    this would all be solved if they just print our name(s) on the tickets, it cant be that hard - it will prevent this ticket swapping at the box office and maybe reduce scalping.


    Wow! That's messed up.
    Taping the envelopes closed would help, unless it's TC doing it, but they typically hand a box of envelopes to the box office staff.


    WATCH OUT FOR THIS AT MSG!!!

    I'm not saying it will happen, but MSG has (or used to) have a strict "no closed envelope" policy. Only venue I've worked that I've seen that. Their house-envelopes don't even have a fold-over to close, and they won't allow them to be taped closed.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I'm not worried, i'll be happy no matter what, it's simply the principle of the matter. if your pissing down my back, don't tell me its raining. i get enough of that in the corporate world, don't need w/ my rock as well.
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Elzar wrote:
    this ticket swapping business has happened before ....to me......twice at least....i'm 90% sure

    this would all be solved if they just print our name(s) on the tickets, it cant be that hard - it will prevent this ticket swapping at the box office and maybe reduce scalping.


    Wow! That's messed up.
    Taping the envelopes closed would help, unless it's TC doing it, but they typically hand a box of envelopes to the box office staff.


    WATCH OUT FOR THIS AT MSG!!!

    I'm not saying it will happen, but MSG has (or used to) have a strict "no closed envelope" policy. Only venue I've worked that I've seen that. Their house-envelopes don't even have a fold-over to close, and they won't allow them to be taped closed.

    EXACTLY and people like me and you who have hook ups in there get whatever we want :mrgreen:
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,086
    i don't see the problem...

    your friend won the lottery, but was pushed backed (probably accidently or else i'm sure we would have heard many other complaints about this happening since the lottery was established). So the staff member switched the ticket to a lottery row that your friend would benefit from.

    one randomly allocated lottery ticket was switched with another randomly allocated lottery ticket.

    a mistake was made and handled in the most fair way possible.
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    mookeywrench wrote:
    i don't see the problem...

    your friend won the lottery, but was pushed backed (probably accidently or else i'm sure we would have heard many other complaints about this happening since the lottery was established). So the staff member switched the ticket to a lottery row that your friend would benefit from.

    one randomly allocated lottery ticket was switched with another randomly allocated lottery ticket.

    a mistake was made and handled in the most fair way possible.


    There's an assumption too that it was taken out of an envelope. Correct?

    I think the only thing that is solid here is that "winning" the lottery can indeed move people back, which would be nice if TC confirmed.
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  • UpSideDown
    UpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    so let me get this straight........

    We have a story about 2 ten club members here.

    One ended up in the front row

    The other ended up in the tenth row.

    What the F is the big deal?

    Who cares if the lottery can move somebody back to the 10th row...........cry me a river on that one. I haven't even made a 1st side section or floor yet.
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,086
    CJMST3K wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    i don't see the problem...

    your friend won the lottery, but was pushed backed (probably accidently or else i'm sure we would have heard many other complaints about this happening since the lottery was established). So the staff member switched the ticket to a lottery row that your friend would benefit from.

    one randomly allocated lottery ticket was switched with another randomly allocated lottery ticket.

    a mistake was made and handled in the most fair way possible.



    I think the only thing that is solid here is that "winning" the lottery can indeed move people back, which would be nice if TC confirmed.

    I would say if the 'pushing people back' scenario was the norm rather than the exception, then we would be hearing about it a lot more on the board as people on here aren't the most passive bunch.

    This was most likely a case of human error in allocation.
  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    As time goes on, PJ gets new fans. Some of which were toddlers in the early-mid 1990's and couldn't possibly purchase 10c memberships back then. Some simply become new fans later on. The pure seniority method creates a class system largely because of one's age and all but forbids someone who is younger, or joined later, from ever seeing the band from up close. The lottery system gives those people a chance that was never possible before of seeing the band up close. Without this, it's like a staunchy old gentleman's club and newcomers are dirt. I think the lottery opportunity is great. I truly hope that people with bad numbers, especially > 200,000 are given priority. I think the spirit is to give someone between 200,000 and 500,000 a chance never before a possibility. I would be disappointed if the spirit of this isn't being administered. I think it mostly is.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    pjtaper wrote:
    a friend gets front row, without the lottery, at EVERY SHOW, because he joined the 10C early, and he deserves to be there... got his tickets last night, 10th row... not third, where he should have been, because he "won" the lottery, as in 10th row... or 9th, 1st, or 2nd. they are lottery rows...
    What did the 10C do? Took tickets out of a front row lottery winner's envelope who didn't show up before us, it was maybe 5PM at the latest, switched the seats, my buddy got front row. He should have gotten third, not another fan's lottery winning ticket.
    MY FRIEND DID NOTHING WRONG, he offered his tickets to everyone, realizing how messed up it was...

    thanks for all the hatred in your posts, time to email the 10C, I won't respond IN THIS thread anymore, too much hatred from 10C ass kissers.

    My question is are the envelopes now marked for the winners? How did the person know who had won the lottery unless they went through a bunch of envelopes looking for front row. When I won the lottery (front row in front of Stone) in Camden 2008 my envelope didn't have any markings on it.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Looks like his job here is done ....
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  • pjpitt89
    pjpitt89 Posts: 1,877
    sorry, this just doesnt make sense to me. how can you get your tickets and say "wait wait this is 10th row, I'm always in row x (whatever he usually says he is), I can't get pushed back".

    How would the box office even know he is being honest, and just decide to upgrade him?

    You're saying I can get my tickets, regardless of where they are, and claim there has been a mistake made because of the lottery, I can say "hey I usually get row 3" and they will swap me? maybe its just me but I dont see how this could go down
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  • jordn6971
    jordn6971 Posts: 675
    Veddernarian wrote:
    As time goes on, PJ gets new fans. Some of which were toddlers in the early-mid 1990's and couldn't possibly purchase 10c memberships back then. Some simply become new fans later on. The pure seniority method creates a class system largely because of one's age and all but forbids someone who is younger, or joined later, from ever seeing the band from up close. The lottery system gives those people a chance that was never possible before of seeing the band up close. Without this, it's like a staunchy old gentleman's club and newcomers are dirt. I think the lottery opportunity is great. I truly hope that people with bad numbers, especially > 200,000 are given priority. I think the spirit is to give someone between 200,000 and 500,000 a chance never before a possibility. I would be disappointed if the spirit of this isn't being administered. I think it mostly is.

    Yeah and that's the problem I see with this situation. By someone being moved back from where they would normally be (row 3-4) they are taking away someone else's chance to win those tickets. Don't put someone with member number 50XXX in 10th row when someone with 400xxx could win it.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,259
    dear god, thank fuck i live in Europe - the GA shows bring none of this whining to the forefront.
  • jordn6971
    jordn6971 Posts: 675
    pjpitt89 wrote:
    sorry, this just doesnt make sense to me. how can you get your tickets and say "wait wait this is 10th row, I'm always in row x (whatever he usually says he is), I can't get pushed back".

    How would the box office even know he is being honest, and just decide to upgrade him?

    You're saying I can get my tickets, regardless of where they are, and claim there has been a mistake made because of the lottery, I can say "hey I usually get row 3" and they will swap me? maybe its just me but I dont see how this could go down

    The box office called the 10C and they looked up his member number.
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,052
    Solat13 wrote:
    pjtaper wrote:
    a friend gets front row, without the lottery, at EVERY SHOW, because he joined the 10C early, and he deserves to be there... got his tickets last night, 10th row... not third, where he should have been, because he "won" the lottery, as in 10th row... or 9th, 1st, or 2nd. they are lottery rows...
    What did the 10C do? Took tickets out of a front row lottery winner's envelope who didn't show up before us, it was maybe 5PM at the latest, switched the seats, my buddy got front row. He should have gotten third, not another fan's lottery winning ticket.
    MY FRIEND DID NOTHING WRONG, he offered his tickets to everyone, realizing how messed up it was...

    thanks for all the hatred in your posts, time to email the 10C, I won't respond IN THIS thread anymore, too much hatred from 10C ass kissers.

    My question is are the envelopes now marked for the winners? How did the person know who had won the lottery unless they went through a bunch of envelopes looking for front row. When I won the lottery (front row in front of Stone) in Camden 2008 my envelope didn't have any markings on it.
    My problem??

    Why couldnt the guy had just gone to the window, seen he ended up with 10th row, said "thank you" and walked the fuck away???????

    Instead, he complains, and someone else who had won 1st row tickets, gets screwed out of those tickets. Right?

    Or did I read that wrong....

    The person who ALWAYS gets in the first few rows, once again, ended up in the 1st few rows.....right???
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