Show Announcement Method: It is what it is

benjs

decides2dream wrote:

benjs wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

Thanks Vedd Head
I think as well, conventionally, if a band were to sell out a venue and add a third (and fourth) date, it would be announced the day the first two sell out, maybe the day after. Not two weeks later. I don't think that's asking too much.

on this factor alone...i give em the benefit of the doubt. i am hoping/thinking that delay may've been due to negotiating extra 10c tix. and for that.....coolness.

for everything else tho, HELL YEA...it does all indeed suck. and i am well aware pj is a business, etc, etc.......but i fully agree, i just see no reason for piece-meal touring announcements. that said, it doesn't play too much into my tour choices, tho it would've if i didn't entirely give up the idea of oz, as oz and hawaii would definitely be a toss-up...now i am just hoping for hawaii! i tour and travel to see pj b/c i like to see multiple shows, i love travel, and love to combine the 2. i also am fortunate b/c they play my area annually, so i am never too concerned on 'missing out'....tho if i thought for a minute they would play the NYc vicinity i would've skipped philly entirely. that said....yea...i just don't get it.

Hadn't thought about the negotiating extra 10C tickets, but you're probably right, come to think of it. But this is the kind of thing I'm having trouble comprehending - when they added these two dates, how come they couldn't have simply stated that that was the delay in the announcement? The perception of a band that takes care of its fan-base is dying for me (and before people say it, please don't tell me "don't renew", or "good, I'll take your 10C number", it's just obnoxious), and simple statements such as one stating that negotiating 10C tickets was the hold-up behind the announcement would really put smiles on a lot of peoples' faces, myself included.

decides2dream

benjs wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

benjs wrote:

Thanks Vedd Head
I think as well, conventionally, if a band were to sell out a venue and add a third (and fourth) date, it would be announced the day the first two sell out, maybe the day after. Not two weeks later. I don't think that's asking too much.

on this factor alone...i give em the benefit of the doubt. i am hoping/thinking that delay may've been due to negotiating extra 10c tix. and for that.....coolness.

for everything else tho, HELL YEA...it does all indeed suck. and i am well aware pj is a business, etc, etc.......but i fully agree, i just see no reason for piece-meal touring announcements. that said, it doesn't play too much into my tour choices, tho it would've if i didn't entirely give up the idea of oz, as oz and hawaii would definitely be a toss-up...now i am just hoping for hawaii! i tour and travel to see pj b/c i like to see multiple shows, i love travel, and love to combine the 2. i also am fortunate b/c they play my area annually, so i am never too concerned on 'missing out'....tho if i thought for a minute they would play the NYc vicinity i would've skipped philly entirely. that said....yea...i just don't get it.

Hadn't thought about the negotiating extra 10C tickets, but you're probably right, come to think of it. But this is the kind of thing I'm having trouble comprehending - when they added these two dates, how come they couldn't have simply stated that that was the delay in the announcement? The perception of a band that takes care of its fan-base is dying for me (and before people say it, please don't tell me "don't renew", or "good, I'll take your 10C number", it's just obnoxious), and simple statements such as one stating that negotiating 10C tickets was the hold-up behind the announcement would really put smiles on a lot of peoples' faces, myself included.

who in the hell knows, really? :P
i am going to think that all the buzz and build-up about these shows was also semi-purposeful....and win-win for the radio stations, for pearl jam...and for the closing of the spectrum.

if i have learned nothing else from my tenure as a pj fan, it is to expect the unexpected, to not expect everything to appear logical in it'[s course....but that deep down, i do still believe they care a great deal about their fans and do a lot for us. if that ever alters, whether simply in my own mind or for real...i am sure i will make appropriate choices then.

SolarWorld

cincybearcat wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

pjalive21 wrote:

i hate to admit this guys but the way they are doing the announcing of the tour is not good and thats putting it nicely at best and that not including many parts of the US, so there arent many excuses for this

Good for who? You? Other whiny bitches on here? The way Pearl Jam does things is good for THEM! They dont owe us anything. With a fanbase as large as theirs, they have to do things that benefit them first. And if that means closing dates whenever and however then so be it. They are in control, not some twits on a message board that makes up maybe 1% of their fanbase.

Good point. Why on earth would a socially responsible band like Pearl Jam want to think of their fanbase, especially their fan club members that have helped them along the way, when deciding how to do business?

You've changed my mind.

They do think of us, they have a fun club, we get access to tickets, a newsletter or two, some free music. What else do you want. Should they call your boss and ask for your time off as well?

Veddernarian

Remember in 2003, added shows = no 10C Tix availability whatsoever. Simply having 10c tix available for the 27th and 31st is a plus over 2003. Remember in 2000? 10c tickets for 1 show per tour. All of this flying around was based on Ticketmaster purchases with 10c purchases being 1 of the shows. That is an improvement too. And what about up the sides seating in 06 vs. rear floor in 03. These are all hints that 10c does try to listen and make improvements for fans. Some things may not be totally in their control. I think their hearts are in the right place.

AA64768

OceansJenny wrote:

Do as you wish, I'm sure you'll be kicking yourself if they ever do a show like the Vic again. Regardless, I was saying that you would be back for another show, 10c or not, because you said this would "be my last tour", which lead me to believe you were pissed enough about the sporadic tour date announcements that you denounced Pearl Jam tours all together.

Yes, you are correct. What I meant was that it will be my last tour as a 10C member. When they come back to SLC in 11 more years, I will happily give my money to Ticketmaster or whoever when public tickets go on sale. But I'm done with the 10C bullcrap, and I won't be traveling out of state to see them ever again.

I just cannot believe how utterly stupid this ticketing policy is. Not only am I not allowed to get a refund on the SD tix, I am forced to travel to SD to pick up the tickets in person rather than sending someone else to use my tickets. And all of that was fine because I agreed to it before buying the tickets, but announcing a tour stop on my front lawn seems like it should be grounds for a refund or at least selling them to someone else.

At the very least, they could announce that a stop in SLC (or wherever else) is being considered, but is not confirmed.

Anyway...................

SolarWorld

Veddernarian wrote:

Remember in 2003, added shows = no 10C Tix availability whatsoever. Simply having 10c tix available for the 27th and 31st is a plus over 2003. Remember in 2000? 10c tickets for 1 show per tour. All of this flying around was based on Ticketmaster purchases with 10c purchases being 1 of the shows. That is an improvement too. And what about up the sides seating in 06 vs. rear floor in 03. These are all hints that 10c does try to listen and make improvements for fans. Some things may not be totally in their control. I think their hearts are in the right place.

People also don't realize Ten Club doesn't book the damn tour, they are just the messenger. Take your beefs up with Curtis Management people.

pjtaper

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Pearl Jam and always will, I just wish they didn't have to keep taking advantage of us diehards...
Hey 10C, can I transfer my Chicago tix for some Cali or Salt Lake tix? If these shows were announced normally, as in pre 2004, I'd be hitting all the west coast ones... YOU AREN'T TRICKING ME INTO BUYING MORE TIX, JUST LESS :(

benjs

SolarWorld wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Good for who? You? Other whiny bitches on here? The way Pearl Jam does things is good for THEM! They dont owe us anything. With a fanbase as large as theirs, they have to do things that benefit them first. And if that means closing dates whenever and however then so be it. They are in control, not some twits on a message board that makes up maybe 1% of their fanbase.

Good point. Why on earth would a socially responsible band like Pearl Jam want to think of their fanbase, especially their fan club members that have helped them along the way, when deciding how to do business?

You've changed my mind.

They do think of us, they have a fun club, we get access to tickets, a newsletter or two, some free music. What else do you want. Should they call your boss and ask for your time off as well?

If there was a business that had a suggestion box for its customers and simply moved the papers from that box to the shredder, I'd avoid that business at all costs. Like it or not, this message board, by the fact that it's moderated heavily, IS a big suggestion box, and our ideas ARE going directly to the shredder. I don't think it's much to ask that they consider our ideas, nor do I think they'd be offended by that, as no good business would!

lastexit78

This is getting really old. I've been a fan and member since 92 and something need to be done. I bought a pair of fan club tickets to Seattle not knowing about Portland and now I get the shaft. Anyway I could get a refund on my Seattle tickets so I can go to Portland instead? As long as the band is announcing shows in this stupid manner I think all fan club seats should be transferable to other shows and perhaps even refundable.

Swanton

iOnlyownMymind wrote:

I'd consider myself lucky to be in the position of having to decide whether or not to go to a second show in a row or even getting the chance to go to one as I'm still waiting for a show in my general area.

Well, I feel lucky that I got tickets to the 10/30 show. No doubt there.

But it's not just luck. I had to decide to take off a day from work from my office (and hardly get any vacation time) and fly from Houston to Philly. I have family in town so hotel is not an issue but it's still a major commitment on my part. I'm glad I have some disposable income to do it (no children at the moment), but the trip plus tickets will be expensive.

mfc2006

lastexit78 wrote:

This is getting really old. I've been a fan and member since 92 and something need to be done. I bought a pair of fan club tickets to Seattle not knowing about Portland and now I get the shaft. Anyway I could get a refund on my Seattle tickets so I can go to Portland instead? As long as the band is announcing shows in this stupid manner I think all fan club seats should be transferable to other shows and perhaps even refundable.

i doubt it. but there's no harm in calling/emailing them to find out.

Veddernarian

My past experience would indicate the suggestions in this message board are not going to the shredder. I've seen many implemented. Not all can be implemented. I would argue that almost all of them are at least being read and considered.

SolarWorld

If the comments are unreasonable, yes they go to the shredder.

Vedd Hedd

SolarWorld wrote:

If your opinion makes sense great. But if you want to get all over the band for choosing to do things they way they want to do them, why are you here? It is what it is. This isnt '03, or any other year. Its '09 and this is how they tour now.

Well, see you later guys, I have to leave.

I also have to leave america, because I disagree with some of the things that are policy.

decides2dream

benjs wrote:

If there was a business that had a suggestion box for its customers and simply moved the papers from that box to the shredder, I'd avoid that business at all costs. Like it or not, this message board, by the fact that it's moderated heavily, IS a big suggestion box, and our ideas ARE going directly to the shredder. I don't think it's much to ask that they consider our ideas, nor do I think they'd be offended by that, as no good business would!

our ideas and/or suggestions do NOT end up in the shredder. do note many rcent 10c changes:

-random lottery for rows 1-2, 9-10
- pre-orders for posters this tour
- wristbands for posters in past tour
- bootlegs available as DLs and CDs

they DO listen, and they DO make changes, when they can and sure...when they want to. so it is definitely a great idea to share thoughts here, respectfully....and who knows what will happen?


i do agree tho, those who travel to see pj simply b/c they want to see pj, in the end...less $$$ in pj's pocket. as someone said above, they'd have done all the west coast dates, but instead, only doing a few shows b/c they went with other tickets further from home. i would never travel far from home *just* to see pearl jam, but i am also fortunate that they always come somewhere close to home, regularly. that said, i still travel for shows b/c i WANT to....but yea, even for that...it's nice to know what ALL the choices are, make more informed decisions, and sure...may hit up more shows b/c better budgeting of your resources....both time and $$$.

cincybearcat

SolarWorld wrote:

They do think of us, they have a fun club, we get access to tickets, a newsletter or two, some free music. What else do you want. Should they call your boss and ask for your time off as well?

Yeah, 'cause that's exactly what were talking about here. Man, your arguments get more and more ridiculous. That should give you a hint to stop posting for a bit.

And guess what? This tour so far...the way they are doing things...hasn't affected me...yet. I just certainly can see it from the perspective of others here that have been affected.

At the end of the day, it's just a band and just some concerts, so far bigger fish to fry. But I think it's reasonable for people to vent their frustrations and concerns here.

4Powers20

if you are on this board you should know what is going on. We all know 2010 will be a tour year. If you are like me you wanted to see them this year so when shows were announced you made a decision and bought tix. I bought tix to both Chicago shows. I cant wait. Had I known that philly shows were going to happen would I have bought tix to chi? probably not. But I did am excited. So then philly got announced. WE ALL KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HALLOWEEN SHOW. It has been talked about here for months, way before the 1st philly shows went on sale. So if you are on the boards you should have known what was going on. yes. could the 10c do a better job lettings know what "plans" are going down, in some cases, probably yes.

My point is you were happy when you bought tix for that show, dont be mad because more shows got added. no one is taking away your tix. In the instances when you planned to travel only to have shows closer to you added, well, it sucks but you were ready to travel...so travel, enjoy it.

AndySlash

decides2dream wrote:

i do agree tho, those who travel to see pj simply b/c they want to see pj, in the end...less $$$ in pj's pocket.

Not really. PJ wll still get money, just not from your pocket (or whoever-is-traveling's pocket). It's not like these shows aren't going to sell out or at least near-sell out.

I agree that the piecemeal tour announcements have got to stop. I've never seen any other band do this as often as Pearl Jam have in the last few years.

Is there an explanation? If so I'd like to know. Does the DIY nature of PJ operations extend to tour planning, where only so much can be accomplished at any given time? Is it contractual stuff with venues? Even if the excuse was "crowd control" (i.e. making sure it isn't the same people in front of them each night or the potential for more fans to take spots that already traveling fans may be less inclined to try for), I'd be more forgiving simple because there's at least an explanation.

decides2dream

AndySlash wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i do agree tho, those who travel to see pj simply b/c they want to see pj, in the end...less $$$ in pj's pocket.

Not really. PJ wll still get money, just not from your pocket. It's not like these shows aren't going to sell out or at least near-sell out.

I agree that the piecemeal tour announcements have got to stop. I've never seen any other band do this as often as Pearl Jam have in the last few years.

Is there an explanation? If so I'd like to know. Does the DIY nature of PJ operations extend to tour planning, where only so much can be accomplished at any given time? Is it contractual stuff with venues? Even if the excuse was "crowd control" (i.e. making sure it isn't the same people in front of them each night or the potential for more fans to take spots that already traveling fans may be less inclined to try for), I'd be more forgiving simple because there's at least an explanation.

true.
you're right, i meant from each individual's pocket. absolutely tho, if nothing else....it's obvious that overall, they choose cities they know they can sell out, easily and quickly, over and over again. thus why it's nice to see them offering up some lovin' to places like portland and salt lake city.

an explanation?







seriously, i LOVe 10c, but yea....i don't expect that.....and yes, the bizarro way of tour announcements nowadays is probably the most irksome thing imo.

AndySlash

decides2dream wrote:

an explanation?

I know, right?!


Shame so many of us feel this way, though. It's an easily remediable problem.