Show Announcement Method: It is what it is

U R A Crazy Breed

OceansJenny wrote:

You'll be back next tour. Pjtaper won't cancel his membership. We all know its true. You'll be cheery after the show is over. You'll buy tickets to the next one. Threat as much as you will, you know, I know, 10c knows everyone always comes back!

He'll be bahk!!

Evergreen

AA64768 wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

It is best not to ask questions that are critical of the band on here. PJ was able to announce 30 shows at once, and now they struggle to announce shows in 5 cities over a 6 week period. We just have to accept it. If I was from SLC and I decided to go to Seattle, and then find out they were coming to my city a month later, I would be pissed as hell. Especially when they had a hold at the SLC venue since April.

You can put me in that bucket. Unless they come to SLC again after this tour, this will be my last tour. Since there was no guarantee that they would come any closer to SLC than the West Coast, I shelled out the cash for San Diego tickets. I will end up spending around $250 just for the San Diego show after paying for gas, cheap motel, tickets...not to mention time off from work and time away from my wife and kids.

And now they announce a tour stop 20 minutes from my house?? I'll say it....the Ten Club sucks. Whoever plans the tour really sucks. Either they are trying to swindle people into attending multiple shows, or they haven't got a clue about how to plan a tour and market it to the loyal fan base.

I guess PJ just isn't a priority any more. It is clear that the fans are no longer a priority to the people who run the fan club. It would be one thing if they announced the East Coast leg in its entirety, then West Coast in its entirety. I wouldn't see anything to complain about there. But when I only have the time/budget to show, it would be nice to know that they are coming to my own freaking town before I spend money to go somewhere else.

Congrats, PJ/Ten Club. Well played. You'll get my money for two shows, and I'm sure I'll enjoy them, but I don't see how the bitter taste will go away any time soon.

I would LOVE San Diego tickets. I am going to Austin and visiting family, so I did not think I would be back in time. I did not buy 10c tickets and now I want to go.

Vedd Hedd

SolarWorld wrote:

benjs wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

We don't know what the process is... all we can do is guess. Maybe there's a reason... maybe not. We don't know.

I've only been a fan since '05, so sometimes it really does surprise me to hear about things like the Rumor Pit.. I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that communicating with this band was ever dissimilar to communicating with a wall.

When is it ever enough? What do you want from them? Their own personal phone numbers?

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

AA64768

OceansJenny wrote:

AA64768 wrote:

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You can put me in that bucket. Unless they come to SLC again after this tour, this will be my last tour.

You'll be back next tour. Pjtaper won't cancel his membership. We all know its true. You'll be cheery after the show is over. You'll buy tickets to the next one. Threat as much as you will, you know, I know, 10c knows everyone always comes back!

Nope. I'm done with the 10C. I just don't see the value. I went to the LV show in 2006 and have now spent $60 in membership fees since then. The only reason to be in the 10C is for tour tickets, since I can just download the Christmas singles anyway. (The magazine/artwork stuff...meh, not my cup of tea so it adds no value to the 10C membership for me.)

So $60 for membership plus $146 for a pair of tickets.....that's over $100 per ticket for a show. I can do much better price wise on Ticketmaster. And based on my seat location in Las Vegas with a 194### membership number, I'm not sure I'm doing any better than the general public, so I have a hard time seeing the benefit of the 10C. So, I'm out. Enjoy.

iOnlyownMymind

Swanton wrote:

I consider myself a huge Pearl Jam fan, but I'd fall into the casual fan compared to most of the people on these boards.

I stressed for multiple days trying to get tickets to the 10/30 Pearl Jam show. I got shut out of the presale and then shut out of Comcast until they opened up seats behind the stage. I got those tickets and was excited to be in the building during the last show in Philly and (likely) in The Spectrum.

Now they announce another show on 10/31. Shit.

It's great that they are giving a chance for more people to see them play, but it sucks that I worried about buying tickets to "the last night" when it's not the last night of the Philly swing. Most people probably don't care about stuff like this, but it bothers me.

I grew up in South Jersey but curently live in Houston. I plan to fly out Thursday night, see them on Friday, and then I was going to do the Halloween thing with my young nephews. Now I have to figure out if I want to try and score tickets again for Saturday night as well.

I'm sure their announcement method makes sense business wise, but we all have our individual story of how this affects us . . . for better or worse. I, for one, would have liked to know. I would have held out for the Saturday show and passed on the behind-the-stage tickets for Friday.

I'd consider myself lucky to be in the position of having to decide whether or not to go to a second show in a row or even getting the chance to go to one as I'm still waiting for a show in my general area.

benjs

Vedd Hedd wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

benjs wrote:

I've only been a fan since '05, so sometimes it really does surprise me to hear about things like the Rumor Pit.. I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that communicating with this band was ever dissimilar to communicating with a wall.

When is it ever enough? What do you want from them? Their own personal phone numbers?

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

Thanks Vedd Head
I think as well, conventionally, if a band were to sell out a venue and add a third (and fourth) date, it would be announced the day the first two sell out, maybe the day after. Not two weeks later. I don't think that's asking too much.

pjalive21

i am one who knows what goes into planning a tour or have been around those that do the tour planning, it isnt the easiest thing in the world but the way this band has decided to do this is lazy at best, for lack of a better term

why is it no other band has an issues announcing dates waaaay ahead of shows? i mean the email system is even worthless because you get the email days after the tickets went on sale

i hate to admit this guys but the way they are doing the announcing of the tour is not good and thats putting it nicely at best and that not including many parts of the US, so there arent many excuses for this

Vedd Hedd

Remember when they would send you the postcard, with all the tour dates listed? You just had to send your index card in with your check? You never had to log onto anything, never had to reschedule meetings, use sick days, etc. You were able to plan our your road trip.....

benjs

pjalive21 wrote:

i am one who knows what goes into planning a tour or have been around those that do the tour planning, it isnt the easiest thing in the world but the way this band has decided to do this is lazy at best, for lack of a better term

why is it no other band has an issues announcing dates waaaay ahead of shows? i mean the email system is even worthless because you get the email days after the tickets went on sale

i hate to admit this guys but the way they are doing the announcing of the tour is not good and thats putting it nicely at best and that not including many parts of the US, so there arent many excuses for this

Good to hear it from someone in the know!

pjalive21

benjs wrote:

Seriously, people? You're saying this guy's annoying because of a completely legitimate argument such as this? Give it a break, and stop drinking the Kool-Aid! I'm usually pretty quick to come to the band's defense, but unless they come out and give a great reason on why the announcements for these shows were held for so long, it's shocking to me that the band (company) can give the fans (customers) such a low level of service as this, when it's quite evident that people are ready to drop large amounts of money for them, and simply ask for KNOWLEDGE, for planning's sake, in advance! I can think of very few bands besides Pearl Jam who announce their tours in the absurd fashion that this one was announced in.

good post! just had to say it

Veddernarian

AA64768 wrote:

OceansJenny wrote:

AA64768 wrote:

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You can put me in that bucket. Unless they come to SLC again after this tour, this will be my last tour.

You'll be back next tour. Pjtaper won't cancel his membership. We all know its true. You'll be cheery after the show is over. You'll buy tickets to the next one. Threat as much as you will, you know, I know, 10c knows everyone always comes back!

Nope. I'm done with the 10C. I just don't see the value. I went to the LV show in 2006 and have now spent $60 in membership fees since then. The only reason to be in the 10C is for tour tickets, since I can just download the Christmas singles anyway. (The magazine/artwork stuff...meh, not my cup of tea so it adds no value to the 10C membership for me.)

So $60 for membership plus $146 for a pair of tickets.....that's over $100 per ticket for a show. I can do much better price wise on Ticketmaster. And based on my seat location in Las Vegas with a 194### membership number, I'm not sure I'm doing any better than the general public, so I have a hard time seeing the benefit of the 10C. So, I'm out. Enjoy.

This is the kind of post that gives me hope. In 2003, I was 251XXX and I think I sat behind 251XXW people at Irvine and San Diego. This guy can't be the 1st. I wonder, now, with 430,000 member numbers, and the holes between 1 and 430,000, where my 251XXX actually stands. Relative to the pack. I wonder how many "active" members there are. I would think there are lots of low # people, and maybe much less between 100,000 and 250,000. I would guess very recent additions, 300,000 - 450,000 would be pretty solid because they recently join. Wonder if people only join when they suspect a tour. Would make no sense.

OceansJenny

AA64768 wrote:

OceansJenny wrote:

AA64768 wrote:

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You can put me in that bucket. Unless they come to SLC again after this tour, this will be my last tour.

You'll be back next tour. Pjtaper won't cancel his membership. We all know its true. You'll be cheery after the show is over. You'll buy tickets to the next one. Threat as much as you will, you know, I know, 10c knows everyone always comes back!

Nope. I'm done with the 10C. I just don't see the value. I went to the LV show in 2006 and have now spent $60 in membership fees since then. The only reason to be in the 10C is for tour tickets, since I can just download the Christmas singles anyway. (The magazine/artwork stuff...meh, not my cup of tea so it adds no value to the 10C membership for me.)

So $60 for membership plus $146 for a pair of tickets.....that's over $100 per ticket for a show. I can do much better price wise on Ticketmaster. And based on my seat location in Las Vegas with a 194### membership number, I'm not sure I'm doing any better than the general public, so I have a hard time seeing the benefit of the 10C. So, I'm out. Enjoy.

Do as you wish, I'm sure you'll be kicking yourself if they ever do a show like the Vic again. Regardless, I was saying that you would be back for another show, 10c or not, because you said this would "be my last tour", which lead me to believe you were pissed enough about the sporadic tour date announcements that you denounced Pearl Jam tours all together.

SolarWorld

Vedd Hedd wrote:

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

Pearl Jam is not every other band, you would think diehards would know this by now. They do things they way they want to do them, they always have. Dont like it? The door is over there...

Vedd Hedd

SolarWorld wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

Pearl Jam is not every other band, you would think diehards would know this by now. They do things they way they want to do them, they always have. Dont like it? The door is over there...

So, If I dont like something, I have to leave??
I cant try to voice my opinion?

Thats a terrible system.

decides2dream

benjs wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

When is it ever enough? What do you want from them? Their own personal phone numbers?

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

Thanks Vedd Head
I think as well, conventionally, if a band were to sell out a venue and add a third (and fourth) date, it would be announced the day the first two sell out, maybe the day after. Not two weeks later. I don't think that's asking too much.

on this factor alone...i give em the benefit of the doubt. i am hoping/thinking that delay may've been due to negotiating extra 10c tix. and for that.....coolness.

for everything else tho, HELL YEA...it does all indeed suck. and i am well aware pj is a business, etc, etc.......but i fully agree, i just see no reason for piece-meal touring announcements. that said, it doesn't play too much into my tour choices, tho it would've if i didn't entirely give up the idea of oz, as oz and hawaii would definitely be a toss-up...now i am just hoping for hawaii! i tour and travel to see pj b/c i like to see multiple shows, i love travel, and love to combine the 2. i also am fortunate b/c they play my area annually, so i am never too concerned on 'missing out'....tho if i thought for a minute they would play the NYc vicinity i would've skipped philly entirely. that said....yea...i just don't get it.

SolarWorld

pjalive21 wrote:

i hate to admit this guys but the way they are doing the announcing of the tour is not good and thats putting it nicely at best and that not including many parts of the US, so there arent many excuses for this

Good for who? You? Other whiny bitches on here? The way Pearl Jam does things is good for THEM! They dont owe us anything. With a fanbase as large as theirs, they have to do things that benefit them first. And if that means closing dates whenever and however then so be it. They are in control, not some twits on a message board that makes up maybe 1% of their fanbase.

SolarWorld

Vedd Hedd wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

Pearl Jam is not every other band, you would think diehards would know this by now. They do things they way they want to do them, they always have. Dont like it? The door is over there...

So, If I dont like something, I have to leave??
I cant try to voice my opinion?

Thats a terrible system.

If your opinion makes sense great. But if you want to get all over the band for choosing to do things they way they want to do them, why are you here? It is what it is. This isnt '03, or any other year. Its '09 and this is how they tour now.

Rossum20

I think it is quite unfortunate how they have been planning these tours...they know how the fans are for this band (traveling to multiple shows at a time) and we have been begging them to just announce everything at once or in big chunks so we can make appropriate plans...this is not a ridiculous request.

Those of you telling people to shut up obviously haven't been inconvenienced this time around...I haven't either...but its only a matter of time with this system. I would have considered doing the Vancouver show as well, but I'm not going to change my flight now...its no big deal. However, if I lived in Phoenix, for example, and I splurged to see PJ in Philly because they weren't coming to my neck of the woods...only later to have them announce two shows in my backyard or somewhere closer,...I would be pissed.


I don't know...it just seems like a completely flawed way to put together a tour...unless of course they have done studies and found ticket sales to be much higher when they slowly leak the shows to generate buzz instead of spreading it thin all at once...its too bad really.

cincybearcat

SolarWorld wrote:

pjalive21 wrote:

i hate to admit this guys but the way they are doing the announcing of the tour is not good and thats putting it nicely at best and that not including many parts of the US, so there arent many excuses for this

Good for who? You? Other whiny bitches on here? The way Pearl Jam does things is good for THEM! They dont owe us anything. With a fanbase as large as theirs, they have to do things that benefit them first. And if that means closing dates whenever and however then so be it. They are in control, not some twits on a message board that makes up maybe 1% of their fanbase.

Good point. Why on earth would a socially responsible band like Pearl Jam want to think of their fanbase, especially their fan club members that have helped them along the way, when deciding how to do business?

You've changed my mind.

decides2dream

SolarWorld wrote:

pjalive21 wrote:

i hate to admit this guys but the way they are doing the announcing of the tour is not good and thats putting it nicely at best and that not including many parts of the US, so there arent many excuses for this

Good for who? You? Other whiny bitches on here? The way Pearl Jam does things is good for THEM! They dont owe us anything. With a fanbase as large as theirs, they have to do things that benefit them first. And if that means closing dates whenever and however then so be it. They are in control, not some twits on a message board that makes up maybe 1% of their fanbase.

interesting.
i don't think anyone is so unaware to not realize, pearl jam does things that work best for them, and sure...rightly so. no news there. however, beyond that....people have the right to express their opinions. and you know what? from past/recent alterations to how pj/10c handles many things, it sure does seem that they APPRECIATE our feedback and opinions. thus, this official message board is the perfect place for everyone to respectfully voice their pleasure AND displeasure, with how things are handled....from seniority seating, poster sales, etc, etc. so obviously, this "1% of the fanbase" does hold some value to em. obviously, at the end of the day...pearl jam is going to do what they want, what's best for them...as it should be. and as it should be for ourselves as well. i am sure pearl jam does value their fanbase, and therefore does want feedback. it's all good....give and take....