Show Announcement Method: It is what it is

jimed14

taper is still bent out of shape that he got busted for pot possesion at Bonnaroo and had to fly back to Tennessee for the court appearance. He'll always hate the south.

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cincybearcat

I'm kinda surpised to see so many people that are OK with the way tours are being announced lately.

Personally, I think it sucks. Not knowing if they'll play your area so you have to decide to travel or not...then adding shows at a much later date to the city you are traveling to...while it makes sense to them to ensure sellouts, it sucks having all that travel cost and then knowing for an incremental amount more you could have seen another show and made it that much more worth it.

So, I'll keep trying to hit the shows I can, but they are making it very hard to do so. There is no way you can say that the current method is "fan friendly"...it's the opposite.

SolarWorld

Bearsfirehawk wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Bearsfirehawk wrote:

The way the shows are announced is utter chaos. They could let the people attend the proper shows if they only did things more organized. Its like a circus now, Shows, rumors shows, more rumors, do I buy Wed Tix, when thats a bad day for me, but no Tuesday shows which would be awesome, oh wait, now theres a Tuesday show, to late, cant go, already took extra days off for Wed. Its kids stuff. This needs to stop. THIS IS NOT THE WAY ITS ALWAYS BEEN. They used to announce the whole tour at once and there was no choas. Im sorry, but this is a major flaw in the 10C way of doing thing. Bear 135xxx

If people stopped and thought about how concert tours are planned, maybe even do a little research on the subject they would not post uninformed rants such as yours.

I guess seeing them on damm near every tour since inception makes me uninformed. How much has the world changed since the days of Binuaral? NOT THAT MUCH that we cant announce more shows at once. Thanks for being an uninformed tool yourself.

You cant announce shows that have not been confirmed. Concert dates and announcements themselves are like little transactions. Money and rights etc are exchanged sometimes. People that then have those rights can choose to annoucement them how they want, AL la radio shows who then give away tickets.

Things change ALL THE TIME. If you really think "not that much" has changed since '00 than you need more help than I can give you.

Flagg

SolarWorld wrote:

You cant announce shows that have not been confirmed. Concert dates and announcements themselves are like little transactions. Money and rights etc are exchanged sometimes. People that then have those rights can choose to annoucement them how they want, AL la radio shows who then give away tickets.

Things change ALL THE TIME. If you really think "not that much" has changed since '00 than you need more help than I can give you.

First off, it was 2003 not 2000.

And again, why can almost every other band do it?

pjtaper

jimed14 wrote:

taper is still bent out of shape that he got busted for pot possesion at Bonnaroo and had to fly back to Tennessee for the court appearance. He'll always hate the south.

http://forum.expressobeans.com/viewtopi ... =2&t=39244

ALWAYS!!!!!!!

benjs

SolarWorld wrote:

Bearsfirehawk wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

If people stopped and thought about how concert tours are planned, maybe even do a little research on the subject they would not post uninformed rants such as yours.

I guess seeing them on damm near every tour since inception makes me uninformed. How much has the world changed since the days of Binuaral? NOT THAT MUCH that we cant announce more shows at once. Thanks for being an uninformed tool yourself.

You cant announce shows that have not been confirmed. Concert dates and announcements themselves are like little transactions. Money and rights etc are exchanged sometimes. People that then have those rights can choose to annoucement them how they want, AL la radio shows who then give away tickets.

Things change ALL THE TIME. If you really think "not that much" has changed since '00 than you need more help than I can give you.

Couldn't they do what was done on the EV legs for unconfirmed shows?

SolarWorld

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm kinda surpised to see so many people that are OK with the way tours are being announced lately.

Personally, I think it sucks. Not knowing if they'll play your area so you have to decide to travel or not...then adding shows at a much later date to the city you are traveling to...while it makes sense to them to ensure sellouts, it sucks having all that travel cost and then knowing for an incremental amount more you could have seen another show and made it that much more worth it.

So, I'll keep trying to hit the shows I can, but they are making it very hard to do so. There is no way you can say that the current method is "fan friendly"...it's the opposite.

Im not "OK" with it, it would be great if they could just announce everything at once but that is just not how Pearl Jam tours anymore. If they want the best deal for them, which they have every right to do so, then they close deals one by one or in groups. I'm going to bet the radio stations in Portland, Vancouver and Philly they were hyping this announcement for weeks are owned by the same company. That said company had the rights to announce those shows because Kelly set up the deal that way. It is what it is! I dont understand why people just dont get it. They think they choose this way because they want to fuck the fans... its crazy.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

SolarWorld wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

maybe instead of playing the same cities 4 nights in a row, they should tour like a real band. If they really want to expand their fanbase, they are gonna have to hit the road. what happened to the band that would play a fucking bathroom if they had to?

Hmmmm, maybe it's not '91 anymore? Do you really think they do it to piss you off??

yes, Stone Gossard and i have a long standing feud.

mfc2006

hmm..i thought he did nothing wrong. it was just a ticket. right, taper? oh well....
what's done is done.

here's my take...

i'm beyond happy that they're returning to TX for ACL. (i think most of you know that b/c i'm always talking about it!) i'd love for them to come back in 2010 & play in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio...anywhere in the state would be fine with me. But, I am so pumped to see them in Oct. I haven't seen them since the Riot Act tour..and that's just too long. they do have a ton of fans in Texas...and they know it.

I wish we could fly out & catch another show for this tour, but we're saving every cent for a house. i'm a huge fan of ACL & have gone the last 3 years. once we're done w/ grad school & move away, we'll probably still come back every year that we can. the festival is a blast & the people are wonderful. so to everyone going to the other shows...ENJOY!!! i know that i'll be grinning from ear to ear when they take the stage in Austin.

OceansJenny

SolarWorld wrote:

Bearsfirehawk wrote:

The way the shows are announced is utter chaos. They could let the people attend the proper shows if they only did things more organized. Its like a circus now, Shows, rumors shows, more rumors, do I buy Wed Tix, when thats a bad day for me, but no Tuesday shows which would be awesome, oh wait, now theres a Tuesday show, to late, cant go, already took extra days off for Wed. Its kids stuff. This needs to stop. THIS IS NOT THE WAY ITS ALWAYS BEEN. They used to announce the whole tour at once and there was no choas. Im sorry, but this is a major flaw in the 10C way of doing thing. Bear 135xxx

If people stopped and thought about how concert tours are planned, maybe even do a little research on the subject they would not post uninformed rants such as yours.

THANK YOU! No one thinks about the business side... sorry, Pearl Jam are a business, like it or not.

SolarWorld

Flagg wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

You cant announce shows that have not been confirmed. Concert dates and announcements themselves are like little transactions. Money and rights etc are exchanged sometimes. People that then have those rights can choose to annoucement them how they want, AL la radio shows who then give away tickets.

Things change ALL THE TIME. If you really think "not that much" has changed since '00 than you need more help than I can give you.

First off, it was 2003 not 2000.

And again, why can almost every other band do it?

Again, if you think not much has changed since 2003 you need more help than I can give you.\

And again, Pearl Jam makes their own deals now. In '03 and before I'm sure they were paying someone to line up a tour. Pearl Jam has always liked to have control over everything they can if possible. If it makes more sense for them to make and close deals on their own why are you going to hold that against them? Do you think they all sit down with Kelly and say, "Man our fans hate it when we announce touring this way" "Lets keep doing it though, just to piss them off." "Yeah! Good idea!"

:roll:

bootlegger10

ComeToTX wrote:

we didn't want you here anyway! why would you come to an amazing festival for one band?

So they can see the one band they care to see who hasn't come to their state in 6 years and counting on their own. That's why.

pjtaper is 100% okay in his post. You all should be pissed at the way this tour has been announced. THere is a thread where the SLC show was rumored back in April. They couldn't have confirmed it 3 weeks ago with the Philly, Seattle and LA shows? They could have. But they didn't. A total joke. This is coming from a person who is seeing the bad 8 times this year, and who the delayed show announcements did not affect (except for costing me a one-way flight that was $50 less than what I have to pay now for one-stop flight).

cincybearcat

SolarWorld wrote:

I dont understand why people just dont get it. They think they choose this way because they want to fuck the fans... its crazy.

Ummm...it doesn't matter if they didn't CHOOSE to do it this way to f the fans over...but that is the result in a lot of cases.

The other funny thing is, they end up making it harder for locals to get ticketsin a bunch of cases since they create a situation where some people travel when they wouldn't have done so.

I get that this is the way they are going to do things. I just think it sucks for the fans.

mfc2006

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm kinda surpised to see so many people that are OK with the way tours are being announced lately.

i'm not ok with it. i think it makes sense to announce all of the shows at once. but we don't know why they're doing it this way. maybe they booked a few shows & then decided to look into booking more b/c they wanted to play more. who knows?

my point was that it isn't 1991 anymore & they probably won't ever tour they way they used to b/c of how their lives have changed. yes, it sucks for us fans b/c the announcements are so spotty. but what can we do about it? it's their tour.

benjs

OceansJenny wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Bearsfirehawk wrote:

The way the shows are announced is utter chaos. They could let the people attend the proper shows if they only did things more organized. Its like a circus now, Shows, rumors shows, more rumors, do I buy Wed Tix, when thats a bad day for me, but no Tuesday shows which would be awesome, oh wait, now theres a Tuesday show, to late, cant go, already took extra days off for Wed. Its kids stuff. This needs to stop. THIS IS NOT THE WAY ITS ALWAYS BEEN. They used to announce the whole tour at once and there was no choas. Im sorry, but this is a major flaw in the 10C way of doing thing. Bear 135xxx

If people stopped and thought about how concert tours are planned, maybe even do a little research on the subject they would not post uninformed rants such as yours.

THANK YOU! No one thinks about the business side... sorry, Pearl Jam are a business, like it or not.

I like that they are a business - they are solid musicians whose collective creativity helps brighten up my day, and adds a lot to my life.. to me, that means they are deserving of a large paycheque. However, there are ways to run businesses that optimize both customer satisfaction and profits, and I would go as far as to say that these are directly proportional. That said, I feel they're missing the boat in many ways.. take Philly (obviously what this thread is about) for example.. all they had to do was announce the shows when the first two sold out, rather than taking their sweet time!

bootlegger10

benjs wrote:

OceansJenny wrote:

benjs wrote:

First of all, nowhere had I insinuated that I know anything about scheduling a band's tour - all I suggested was that the bands whose touring schedules I follow simply do not release their schedules the way Pearl Jam chooses to. It's like handing us one piece of a puzzle at a time, and telling us each time that it's done.
Second, I'm pretty sure that I wrote that I feel they could dig themselves out of a hole by simply giving us a good reason on why the delay for these show announcements.
Finally - I didn't think I was BITCHING AND MOANING, as you stated so eloquently.. this is a discussion board, and if we all believed one thing, this place wouldn't exist. It's our abilities to discuss topical matters civilly that differentiates between discussing, debating, arguing, and bitching.

I wasn't saying you were bitching and moaning, I said that if Pearl Jam announced their 10/31 show and canceled it, there would be bitching and moaning. Thats obvious.

IT MAKES SENSE NOT TO RELEASE ALL FOUR DATES AT ONCE. Why does no one realize this?

I posted this in another thread:
I think they release some shows at the same venue before others is to see the interest. If the first 1 or 2 sell out, they can add more. If they release all 4 at once and they don't sell well, they'd have to cancel some. Announcing dates later > canceling shows.

Remember people, they are catering to people who want to go to one show, not ALL FOUR! Sheesh! I know they're not sitting there going "Ok so how do we plan this so people who want to come from out of town to all of the shows are able to get as many tickets as they want with the best seats possible?" PLEASE.

My bad with my misinterpreting the bitching and moaning - I apologize for that.
Regarding staggering the release of the dates - I realize (and I think most people realize) that it makes sense not to release all four dates at once from a financial stand-point. For a band that clearly recognizes they have a fan-base that is willing to travel for them, however, and considering the shows have been sold out for weeks now, why have they been taking their sweet time for these?

It is best not to ask questions that are critical of the band on here. PJ was able to announce 30 shows at once, and now they struggle to announce shows in 5 cities over a 6 week period. We just have to accept it. If I was from SLC and I decided to go to Seattle, and then find out they were coming to my city a month later, I would be pissed as hell. Especially when they had a hold at the SLC venue since April.

G Force

Adios.

Ryan_WFC

The irony is if they waited until they had all the details finalized for all tour shows, the same people complaining about the one-at-a-time announcements would be saying, "Why does 10-C never tell us anything" when rumors and ticket links started surfacing.

They're damned either way. Personally I have faith that they're doing it this way for a valid reason.

corduroykelly

Later!

cincybearcat

mfc2006 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm kinda surpised to see so many people that are OK with the way tours are being announced lately.

i'm not ok with it. i think it makes sense to announce all of the shows at once. but we don't know why they're doing it this way. maybe they booked a few shows & then decided to look into booking more b/c they wanted to play more. who knows?

my point was that it isn't 1991 anymore & they probably won't ever tour they way they used to b/c of how their lives have changed. yes, it sucks for us fans b/c the announcements are so spotty. but what can we do about it? it's their tour.

Seems liek they've gone the way of Maddona...short tours...multiple dates in 1 city...of course, her tours are announced all together and in advance, so maybe she's better at it then them, but there just getting started with this new touring plan...;)