Immigration

onelongsong wrote:

all americans are immigrants; but i agree with most of what you say. here in arizona we have laws to protect us. you have to prove you're in this country legally; anyone rendering aid to an illegal goes to jail. if an EMT comes to a scene of an accident and offers aid to an illegal; they go to jail. the law says you leave them to die or go to jail. these are propositions the tax payers voted in because they are tired of paying for these people. as more states have bigger problems they will enact laws too.

onelongsong wrote:

all americans are immigrants;

CorporateWhore wrote:

Our ancestors were immigrants. They were also treated skeptically, as they should've been. They weren't americans and needed to prove that they wanted to be americans and weren't still "Irish" or "Polish" or "Italian." American.

melodious wrote:

not that I agree with anything says about fences and borders, but my question is Why do you find it so important to build these damn fence? Why don't you spend money on helping our children learn free thinking? while you all talk about constraints, your future is at stake...

now....a right-winger told me that he feels borders should be in place becasue of distribution of resources...and another point was that it's against human rights to allow people to come into country undocumented becasue of their uncertification, they have no ablility to benefit or thrive...meaning as illegal stauts the only work available is menial...you don't see non documented doctors or pharmacists, aye????


love ya jammers; thanks for talking about my favorite subject...well it's not a favorite, but most definitely passionate; second to cannabis...1st to humantiy....

CorporateWhore wrote:

I've said some things about immigration that some on this board have been disgusted by. I would like to have further discussion of this issue. I've said that immigration should be lessened because the baggage that third world immigrants are bringing with them is detrimental to our economy and government.

It is my view that illegal immigration, as well as legal immigration from most third world countries, is hurting the United States immensely.

The vast majority of immigrants from third world countries (especially south america) are at or around the poverty line. They come to America with little if any education and immediately begin receiving various government services. 40 percent of all illegal immigrants are working for cash and not paying taxes.

They also tend toward crime more than real americans: 75 percent of the people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

They're hard workers? In Los Angeles (where many illegal aliens live), less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare. How the hell are they on welfare when they don't pay taxes and are not citizens? We let them. Maybe if we kicked them off it, they'd tell all their friends not to come.

What happens to a social welfare system that allows massive immigration from third world countries whose people are poor and uneducated? That social welfare system collapses. Our system cannot handle this burden. It was one thing in the early 1900s when our system wasn't as full of welfare and entitlements as it is now.

You need to increase the number of rich people paying taxes while you increase immigration from poor countries. In 1990, hispanics accounted for 9 percent of the population. Today, they account for 14.4 percent. This is all from immigration folks.

I'm not being a xenophobe - I'm putting out the simple fact that we cannot afford to pay for all of these people's medical expenses, welfare needs, and education.

This country is going down the tubes and the Republicans and Democrats are pulling us down.

sponger wrote:

I hate to sound cliche, but immigration as we know it is the slave trade. Immigrants have no workers' rights. They can't form unions, they can't sue an employer for rights violations, contract violations...etc. So, employers pay them whatever they feel like paying them and treat them however they feel like treating them.

The result is the median wage being kept below the inflation rate, contributing to the gaps between the social classes. And that's where I see the problem.

And people say that illegals are filling jobs that Americans don't want. I think the ansewr to that is that they're jobs that Americans don't want to do for the wages that employers want to pay because they can always hire an illegal to do it cheaper.

And when we purchase services or products from businesses that employ illegals, we put money into the pockets of people who send a lot of that money back to Mexico instead of recirculating it back into our economy.

This, of course, slows the market, which in turn creates an across-the-board wage reduction while business owners pocket the profits from lower salary expenses, thus contributing to the gap between the classes.