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  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 7,043
    nicknyr15 said:
    on2legs said:
    Please give us hint as to who the covert ticket broker is among us.  
    Yes please. 
    Sure as shit ain't me. I went 0-10 in the lottery😅BLACKLISTED (which was totally unrelated to my public stance on PJ Premium, I'm sure😏)
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,043
    In a coincidence as I was reading this thread SiriusXM PJ radio was playing the Albany 5/12/06 show where during encore break 1 Eddie comments on seeing the same fucking people in the front row again.
    And then differentiating between normal fans and the freaks who want to hear the rare weird songs. Then plays Rats.
    I love this! 🤣🤣🤣
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  • ally12ally12 Ottawa, ON, CAN Posts: 308
    edited May 12
    bootleg said:
    ally12 said:
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is N2 handled differently and for N2 everyone goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    And where is this common knowledge posted?  If it’s my first and only time ever trying for the rail how would I know any of this?
    No, no, I don’t know anything. I’m just asking if lining up at the venue doors prior to migrating over to the camp out location WAS a thing and the Facebook poster missed the info. 

    I’ve never tried to camp out back 2 back for shows, I would like to one day and just curious what the process is like post N1 show. 

    Now we know there were  2 lines and everyone miss understood each other. 

    Then I offered a suggestion on how to fix the issue, haha

    sorry for the confusion! 
    Post edited by ally12 on
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  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 412
    mace1229 said:
    This topic comes up every tour. I've never camped out in line so I don't have a personal experience, but I've read plenty of stories.
    And most of the bad stories seem to come from unofficial pre-lines and those who are camping out for the first time not know about said pre-lines. And why would they? Especially since many of the tours the band announces there are no official pre lines and no pre-lines will be honored, etc. But if you don't know about the unofficial secret pre-line and head to the GA line when the 10c told you to go line up, you get yelled at and accused of cutting.
    I have to say I'd be pretty pissed and probably non-compliant if I followed the official rules and did exactly as instructed by the band only to be told to go to the end of the line because I was hanging out at the wrong bar all night and didn't check in with the right, unaffiliated-with-the-band, guy.
    I know the GA campers don’t have a ton of fans here outside of those of us who do it and people who know us personally but this is why I don’t mind speaking up about it on social media. “I don’t do it but I’ve heard plenty of stories”. I heard stories too, but then I did it and saw it wasn’t anything like the rumors. Also I only started in 22 but to my knowledge the band has never sent any communication that pre-lines won’t be honored. The 10c has said unofficial numbering systems won’t be honored and I’ve seen plenty of emails that say camping isn’t allowed on the venue property. And again does everyone not do GA for other bands? Most have some kind of fan run pre-line and a lot of actual shenanigans to deal with. In fact to find the camping location at these venues I usually just look what people did for other artists with a camping community like Billie Eilish/Paramore/21 Pilots etc.
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,422
    This whole discussion would stop if they brought back the front row lottery. I am sure the rail hogs would still find a way to satisfy their thirst of being up front all the time but maybe every so often the band would see someone new there who is equally deserving of the ecstasy even if they may not have spent an entire day in a tent in front of the venue. It may smell better up front too :lol: How boring is it too to see the same freaking faces in every tour video? :|
  • gotthebottlegotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,499
    This whole discussion would stop if they brought back the front row lottery. I am sure the rail hogs would still find a way to satisfy their thirst of being up front all the time but maybe every so often the band would see someone new there who is equally deserving of the ecstasy even if they may not have spent an entire day in a tent in front of the venue. It may smell better up front too :lol: How boring is it too to see the same freaking faces in every tour video? :|
    Very boring
  • CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,096
    I say out all of them. It’s embarrassing that grown adults act this way. It shouldn’t matter that security would prefer to see familiar faces. Can’t imagine the band would be ok with people acting like pricks anytime someone new gets up front. Ridiculous. 
  • PJINFLAPJINFLA Posts: 823
    This whole discussion would stop if they brought back the front row lottery. I am sure the rail hogs would still find a way to satisfy their thirst of being up front all the time but maybe every so often the band would see someone new there who is equally deserving of the ecstasy even if they may not have spent an entire day in a tent in front of the venue. It may smell better up front too :lol: How boring is it too to see the same freaking faces in every tour video? :|
    I say out all of them. It’s embarrassing that grown adults act this way. It shouldn’t matter that security would prefer to see familiar faces. Can’t imagine the band would be ok with people acting like pricks anytime someone new gets up front. Ridiculous. 
    Great idea!!!
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  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 412
    This whole discussion would stop if they brought back the front row lottery. I am sure the rail hogs would still find a way to satisfy their thirst of being up front all the time but maybe every so often the band would see someone new there who is equally deserving of the ecstasy even if they may not have spent an entire day in a tent in front of the venue. It may smell better up front too :lol: How boring is it too to see the same freaking faces in every tour video? :|
    At every show so far this tour there have been people camping who were either doing their first show ever or first GA. Out of the 40 or so people on the rail any given night the regulars only make up a subset. 
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,422
    Chrrie said:
    This whole discussion would stop if they brought back the front row lottery. I am sure the rail hogs would still find a way to satisfy their thirst of being up front all the time but maybe every so often the band would see someone new there who is equally deserving of the ecstasy even if they may not have spent an entire day in a tent in front of the venue. It may smell better up front too :lol: How boring is it too to see the same freaking faces in every tour video? :|
    At every show so far this tour there have been people camping who were either doing their first show ever or first GA. Out of the 40 or so people on the rail any given night the regulars only make up a subset. 

    See, to me the thing is there shouldn't be "regulars" at the rail. It should be new people every night.
  • Vytis33Vytis33 Posts: 191
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 7,043
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    This is the way.
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    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • ally12ally12 Ottawa, ON, CAN Posts: 308
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I like this, would you know if they count up or down from 257? Would 256 be second in line? 

    I would imagine the band would keep the single file to the pit safety measure in place. 
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  • aisleseatsaisleseats Posts: 1,621
    edited May 12
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    That's how DMB does it now too. Of course, their rail mafia wasn't thrilled about it at first either. But it seems to be the safest and fairest way to go about it.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,421
    Looks like John's post has been taken down over in that Facebook group.
  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 412
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    That's how DMB does it now too. Of course, their rail mafia wasn't thrilled about it at first either. But it seems to be the safest and fairest way to go about it.
    Their rail mafia figured out you can enter the lottery as long as you have the link to the website because the system doesn’t check if the email address used actually won tickets. They’re all still up there. 
  • GhostChileGhostChile Posts: 1,153
    edited May 12
    I received an unexpected Setlist after a show last year, just after the show finished.
    I didnt ask for it, i just received by hand by a security guard. Actually he gave me one and gave my wife another one. Yes!

    Wow, i was more impressed by the people around us !

    Some offer 5.000 for a setlist, others wants to take pictures with us. We felt like celebrities for a while.

    My point? 

    I dont know. Im 45 and i dont care anymore about who got rail, who camp, who win, who gets a tambourine!

    But i did! 

    And some folks still care. So i respect them. Let them be. 
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  • Vytis33Vytis33 Posts: 191
    ally12 said:
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I like this, would you know if they count up or down from 257? Would 256 be second in line? 

    I would imagine the band would keep the single file to the pit safety measure in place. 
    258 would be second then 259 and so on.  Then everyone else with a GA ticket that didn’t show up to grab a wristband fills in GA whenever they get to the venue 
  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 11,723
    edited May 12
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

    Last year at Fenway I had friends who had never experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

    Post edited by GlowGirl on
  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 603
    Is it newer fans (the last few years) up front waiting in line for all of these shows? I can imagine folks who’ve been seeing them for years would be waiting in line for a band 15+ years past their prime… And if they are older, 40-50 year olds creating groups to game the system  every night to be up front is just sad and strange obsessive behavior. New flash- Ed doesn’t want to be your friend.
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 412
    GlowGirl said:
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

    Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

    That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day. 
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,829
    Wait, people are sleeping outside the arena for multiple nights now?

    Haha, yeah.  Things need to change.
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,869
    Is it newer fans (the last few years) up front waiting in line for all of these shows? I can imagine folks who’ve been seeing them for years would be waiting in line for a band 15+ years past their prime… And if they are older, 40-50 year olds creating groups to game the system  every night to be up front is just sad and strange obsessive behavior. New flash- Ed doesn’t want to be your friend.
    Not new fans based on what I’ve seen. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,235
    100 Pacer said:
    I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
    Now we're cooking
  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 412
    pjl44 said:
    100 Pacer said:
    I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
    Now we're cooking
    No no, we need to be outraged that a couple dozen people like lining up for GA not the fact that there’s someone in the community scalping tickets 
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,808
    Chrrie said:
    GlowGirl said:
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

    Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

    That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day. 
    Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows.  No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?  
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,774
    I think a GA pit lottery 'a la Springsteen would be a good way to go.

    Or, go back to reserved front floor with a lottery for the first 2 rows (says the dude with the 5-digit member number)
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,235
    Chrrie said:
    pjl44 said:
    100 Pacer said:
    I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
    Now we're cooking
    No no, we need to be outraged that a couple dozen people like lining up for GA not the fact that there’s someone in the community scalping tickets 
    Why not both? Deflect, deflect!
  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 11,723
    edited May 12
    JOEJOEJOE said:
    I think a GA pit lottery 'a la Springsteen would be a good way to go.

    Or, go back to reserved front floor with a lottery for the first 2 rows (says the dude with the 5-digit member number)
    What happens if someone gets the first number, but the person they are with gets the last number - it splits between them. Does their partner get to cut the line, or does the other person have to go to the back? I have never done a pit lottery for any show - so genuinely interested.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,235
    All of the overwrought explanations and attempted defenses are undermined by the fact that, again, the Ten Club themselves has had to publicly chastise you and say cut the shit
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