Same folks up front

Go Animal · May 13

pjl44 said:

Spoken said:

pjhawks said:

DD123593 said:

pjhawks said:

Chrrie said:

GlowGirl said:

Vytis33 said:

I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best. Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband. Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city. Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in. Then everyone else files in numerically after that. Simple.

I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day.

Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows. No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?

Hustle costs nothing

Except how much is hustle and how much gaming the system? Again no way the same people legitimately win lottery for ga for every show. The odds, even sharing tickets, are astronomical that a set of say 40-50 people could get 10 to 20 winners in a lottery of what maybe 500 a show? For every show? Puh-leeze. So just winning the lottery than manipulating the line to get rail every show? So I’ll stand by my comment those people are entitled and selfish

I’ve been told in the past that GA attendees slip off their paper plastic bracelets after they are already in the pit, and get them to people who didn’t score GA tixx.
Pretty sh*tty.

Man I was doing this at Korn shows 25 years ago. Oldest trick in the book.

Korn, with Bizkit opening, circa '97😅👋

Vedder4Prez · May 13

pjl44 said:

Spoken said:

pjhawks said:

DD123593 said:

pjhawks said:

Chrrie said:

GlowGirl said:

Vytis33 said:

I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best. Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband. Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city. Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in. Then everyone else files in numerically after that. Simple.

I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day.

Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows. No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?

Hustle costs nothing

Except how much is hustle and how much gaming the system? Again no way the same people legitimately win lottery for ga for every show. The odds, even sharing tickets, are astronomical that a set of say 40-50 people could get 10 to 20 winners in a lottery of what maybe 500 a show? For every show? Puh-leeze. So just winning the lottery than manipulating the line to get rail every show? So I’ll stand by my comment those people are entitled and selfish

I’ve been told in the past that GA attendees slip off their paper plastic bracelets after they are already in the pit, and get them to people who didn’t score GA tixx.
Pretty sh*tty.

Man I was doing this at Korn shows 25 years ago. Oldest trick in the book.

Exactly what I witnessed from the rail fans in Nashville. Then would squeeze them in. Happened with some of the famous faces from all of the shows. Then they all cover for each if questioned.

That’s what makes me the maddest of all of this

JojoRice · May 13

Spartanacus · May 13

Spurs14 said:

GlowGirl said:
With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance.

Not everyone has the time (a full day+) to do that. Jobs and life get in the way, especially considering the demographic of the fan base nowadays.

Springsteen system is the way. Still requires a bit of a commitment, but far less. That or scrap GA, bring back seated floor and lotto the first 15 rows.

Why not have the best of both worlds? Up front floor seats with about 80-90% going to the lucky random Ten Clubbers, and you'll have to allot for maybe 10-20% to VIPs.

I'm not sure about 15 rows, but maybe 5 or 10, depending on the size of the floor. Then have a traditional GA section behind them where they're not constrained by a chair. Then if there's still space on a big floor, have seats again...and do on, all the way up to the rafters.

So essentially, for large floor shows (The Forum) there will be 3 different areas: 10-15 rows of seats up front, a middle GA section, and then floor seats behind them. For the small floor shows (Hard Rock, Hollywood) just do 5 rows of seats up front, and a GA section behind them.

mcgruff10 · May 13

It would be nice to bring back seating once again after 14 years. Keep rows 1/2 and 9/10 random as before. Different faces up front and no waiting for hours/days in a line. Just my humble opinion.

JimmyV · May 13

One night GA, one night seated on these designed two night stand tours would be fun. Especially with a true lottery for rows 1/2 and 9/10. But I think those days are gone.

ekim997 · May 13

Have they ever done “in the round” shows? Any downside to it? Seems like that could solve a lot of problems.

If entire floor is GA, rail spots are basically doubled. Can even do GA close to the stage and seating behind it on both sides. Or just entire floor GA. The worst seats in the house would be better with the stage in the center.

Saw Metallica in the round in Philly a few years back. When we walked in, one side of the floor was packed, other wide open so we just went over there and had a great spot. Was also up top for a Roger waters show like that and view was great. I’m sure there are some downsides but I can’t think of any

MayDay10 · May 13

JimmyV said:

One night GA, one night seated on these designed two night stand tours would be fun. Especially with a true lottery for rows 1/2 and 9/10. But I think those days are gone.

I feel like at this point, the ship has sailed on a reserved floor. This is probably the way from now-on.

I do implore them to implement the stated lottery/draw system for an abbreviated GA line experience though.

Loujoe · May 13

JimmyV said:

One night GA, one night seated on these designed two night stand tours would be fun. Especially with a true lottery for rows 1/2 and 9/10. But I think those days are gone.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJKvE3tMIPs&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

Chrrie · May 13

pjhawks said:

DD123593 said:

pjhawks said:

Chrrie said:

GlowGirl said:

Vytis33 said:

I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best. Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband. Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city. Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in. Then everyone else files in numerically after that. Simple.

I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day.

Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows. No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?

Hustle costs nothing

Except how much is hustle and how much gaming the system? Again no way the same people legitimately win lottery for ga for every show. The odds, even sharing tickets, are astronomical that a set of say 40-50 people could get 10 to 20 winners in a lottery of what maybe 500 a show? For every show? Puh-leeze. So just winning the lottery than manipulating the line to get rail every show? So I’ll stand by my comment those people are entitled and selfish

Gaming the system? You’re aware that anyone can list tickets on fan to fan right? I won GA for one show, and got the rest from seat trades or Ticketmaster links.

MayDay10 · May 13

How many of the 'seat trades' and fan to fan are to and from people within the group who camp out all the time? (cartel)

People look, search, beg, borrow, and steal for GA tickets and most times come up short.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · May 13

MayDay10 said:

How many of the 'seat trades' and fan to fan are to and from people within the group who camp out all the time? (cartel)

People look, search, beg, borrow, and steal for GA tickets and most times come up short.

The people who come here and BEG are my favorite. Same people, every tour. They have no shame. 40-50 year old so called "adults" just flat out begging. Then they just disappear until the next tour.

MayDay10 · May 13

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

MayDay10 said:

How many of the 'seat trades' and fan to fan are to and from people within the group who camp out all the time? (cartel)

People look, search, beg, borrow, and steal for GA tickets and most times come up short.

The people who come here and BEG are my favorite. Same people, every tour. They have no shame. 40-50 year old so called "adults" just flat out begging. Then they just disappear until the next tour.

I really want to go soooo bad. I have never seen the band before and I want to bring my son who has allergies and the pollen has been bad....

but only looking for premium seat. GA or better. Preferably front row with drinks included. Nothing in the 100s, 200s, 300s, or floor.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · May 13

MayDay10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

MayDay10 said:

How many of the 'seat trades' and fan to fan are to and from people within the group who camp out all the time? (cartel)

People look, search, beg, borrow, and steal for GA tickets and most times come up short.

The people who come here and BEG are my favorite. Same people, every tour. They have no shame. 40-50 year old so called "adults" just flat out begging. Then they just disappear until the next tour.

I really want to go soooo bad. I have never seen the band before and I want to bring my son....

but only looking for premium seat. GA or better. Preferably front row with drinks included. Nothing in the 100s, 200s, 300s, or floor.

The begging is just so childish and pathetic. Again, they have no shame. They are not the least bit embarrassed.

After 10-15 years of watching how the fans have behaved with this whole GA system? I would LOVE to see the band just get rid of it completely. Just go back to some lottery rows. Rows 1-2, 9-10 or maybe the 1st 5 rows. Then everyone else is back to relying on their 10club number.

And I have the highest 10 club number of any living member. I have purposely let my number expire at least 5 times. I'm trying to be the 1st member to get to 1,000,000.

Shaggy · May 13

bigbiggzy said:

Haven’t perused this thread…
If any kind soul would be so obliged…I’d be grateful…

Any advice for getting up front?

I was fortunate enough to score GA. Taking my oldest son… 17.

Assuming be in line a few hours before they open the doors?? 🤷‍♂️

Any advice?

I took my 15yo to his first GA show in 2023. Best advice? Just enjoy it. Don't waste hours standing around just to be in the crush of everyone. Get there a little early, pick a spot near Mike and enjoy the show.

My son asked me why we couldn't move closer. I told him that those people waited for hours to be there and we should respect our place in line. I added, if you want to try to get up front, go for it. He did. Many nice people let him thru and up to the rail. He came back at the end a tambourine, 20+ picks and Jeff's wristband. I feel like I ruined his concert experience for life by making this the standard for his concert experiences

Took him again in 2024. Same experience. Another tambourine and more picks. Your experience will vary, but just enjoy the show - and go to Mike's side!

Chrrie · May 13

Spoken said:

pjhawks said:

DD123593 said:

pjhawks said:

Chrrie said:

GlowGirl said:

Vytis33 said:

I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best. Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband. Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city. Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in. Then everyone else files in numerically after that. Simple.

I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day.

Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows. No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?

Hustle costs nothing

Except how much is hustle and how much gaming the system? Again no way the same people legitimately win lottery for ga for every show. The odds, even sharing tickets, are astronomical that a set of say 40-50 people could get 10 to 20 winners in a lottery of what maybe 500 a show? For every show? Puh-leeze. So just winning the lottery than manipulating the line to get rail every show? So I’ll stand by my comment those people are entitled and selfish

I’ve been told in the past that GA attendees slip off their paper plastic bracelets after they are already in the pit, and get them to people who didn’t score GA tixx.
Pretty sh*tty.

I’ve been told in the past that people in seats stub down to the unsold lowers and squish multiple people in empty aisle seats.

Pretty sh*tty.

GlowGirl · May 13

Wow. The name calling and accusations in this thread are staggering. Before you start saying that the people on the rail are bullies, read through this thread and see the behavior exhibited here towards them. Not very nice I would say.

Chrrie · May 13

MayDay10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

MayDay10 said:

How many of the 'seat trades' and fan to fan are to and from people within the group who camp out all the time? (cartel)

People look, search, beg, borrow, and steal for GA tickets and most times come up short.

The people who come here and BEG are my favorite. Same people, every tour. They have no shame. 40-50 year old so called "adults" just flat out begging. Then they just disappear until the next tour.

I really want to go soooo bad. I have never seen the band before and I want to bring my son who has allergies and the pollen has been bad....

but only looking for premium seat. GA or better. Preferably front row with drinks included. Nothing in the 100s, 200s, 300s, or floor.

There’s just as many of the people who shit on the GA campers doing this too. I’ve privately offered plenty of my tickets to those who “just want to get in the building” to be then told they’re waiting for GA or the first few rows of the wings.

CROJAM95 · May 13

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

MayDay10 said:

How many of the 'seat trades' and fan to fan are to and from people within the group who camp out all the time? (cartel)

People look, search, beg, borrow, and steal for GA tickets and most times come up short.

The people who come here and BEG are my favorite. Same people, every tour. They have no shame. 40-50 year old so called "adults" just flat out begging. Then they just disappear until the next tour.

Yep

it’s called building relationships over time

PJNB · May 13

GlowGirl said:

Wow. The name calling and accusations in this thread are staggering. Before you start saying that the people on the rail are bullies, read through this thread and see what has been said about them.

Some are amazing people and it’s not right to lump everyone into the same group. You and Chrrie for example are great GA members and also add so much to this forum.

Same folks up front

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