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  • AP30511
    AP30511 Lincoln, NE Posts: 120
    At Hollywood N2, spent an incredible day at the ocean/beach, got to the Hard Rock and had a couple drinks, rolled into show around 8:00 and had this view. To each their own, but I feel bad for the people that spent all day in a line just to be 10 ft closer. 
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  • TMORGAN
    TMORGAN Posts: 7
    How does GA work? It's new to me. I've read a little about bracelets and pre-lines. 
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    edited May 13
    DD123593 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Chrrie said:
    GlowGirl said:
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

    Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

    That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day. 
    Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows.  No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?  
    Hustle costs nothing 
    Except how much is hustle and how much gaming the system?  Again no way the same people legitimately win lottery for ga for every show.  The odds, even sharing tickets, are astronomical that a set of say 40-50 people could get 10 to 20 winners in a lottery of what maybe 500 a show?  For every show?  Puh-leeze.  So just winning the lottery than manipulating the line to get rail every show? So I’ll stand by my comment those people are entitled and selfish 
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  • PJINFLA
    PJINFLA Posts: 838
    on2legs said:
    The posts where people are defending the current system with the scenario about new fans getting a chance to be on the rail are kind of silly.  🤪 The current system isn’t about first timers getting on the rail… if it really was about that then no one would have harassed the guy who was first on line yesterday.  They would have been celebrating him and cheering how great it was that a first timer was at the head of the line.   Just be honest and say the truth… you want to keep the current system because it benefits you and your friends.   
    Not sure if this is true but I definitely wouldn't be surprised. The rail Nazi's are nothing more than a bunch of entitled posers who think the band actually gives a shit about them. Maybe we can get Trump to write an executive order to solve the problem.
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  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,733
    PJINFLA said:
    on2legs said:
    The posts where people are defending the current system with the scenario about new fans getting a chance to be on the rail are kind of silly.  🤪 The current system isn’t about first timers getting on the rail… if it really was about that then no one would have harassed the guy who was first on line yesterday.  They would have been celebrating him and cheering how great it was that a first timer was at the head of the line.   Just be honest and say the truth… you want to keep the current system because it benefits you and your friends.   
    Not sure if this is true but I definitely wouldn't be surprised. The rail Nazi's are nothing more than a bunch of entitled posers who think the band actually gives a shit about them. Maybe we can get Trump to write an executive order to solve the problem.
    🤣🤣
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,346
    PJINFLA said:
    on2legs said:
    The posts where people are defending the current system with the scenario about new fans getting a chance to be on the rail are kind of silly.  🤪 The current system isn’t about first timers getting on the rail… if it really was about that then no one would have harassed the guy who was first on line yesterday.  They would have been celebrating him and cheering how great it was that a first timer was at the head of the line.   Just be honest and say the truth… you want to keep the current system because it benefits you and your friends.   
    Not sure if this is true but I definitely wouldn't be surprised. The rail Nazi's are nothing more than a bunch of entitled posers who think the band actually gives a shit about them. Maybe we can get Trump to write an executive order to solve the problem.
    🤣🤣🤣
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  • Lost In Ohio
    Lost In Ohio Posts: 7,245
    TMORGAN said:
    How does GA work? It's new to me. I've read a little about bracelets and pre-lines. 

    It's my understanding the bracelet gets you into the GA standing area so you don't have to show your phone. The ticket (phone) gets you into the venue. The bracelet gets you into the standing floor area.

    There'll be a bunch of people camping out (in fact they're there now) with hopes of being no more than 3-4 rows back. The rules here are simple. Take a quick break to get food (carry-out is best!) or find a place to pee. Don't make your break too long. Bring food back for your line neighbors and they'll do the same for you.

    With that said, you can still join this line just before they go in OR go in when the main doors open and you're still gonna get a great spot.
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,346
    Chrrie said:
    pjl44 said:
    100 Pacer said:
    I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
    Now we're cooking
    No no, we need to be outraged that a couple dozen people like lining up for GA not the fact that there’s someone in the community scalping tickets 
    Obviously nobody here is okay with one of our own scalping tickets. This is the first I, and many others, have heard of it being legitimately true. And unfortunately, we do not have a name to associate the story with.
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  • Lost In Ohio
    Lost In Ohio Posts: 7,245
    edited May 13
    darwinstheory said:
    Chrrie said:
    pjl44 said:
    100 Pacer said:
    I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
    Now we're cooking
    No no, we need to be outraged that a couple dozen people like lining up for GA not the fact that there’s someone in the community scalping tickets 
    Obviously nobody here is okay with one of our own scalping tickets. This is the first I, and many others, have heard of it being legitimately true. And unfortunately, we do not have a name to associate the story with.


    It came out YEARS ago that fan club memberships do absolute jack to prevent scalpers from buying 3000 tickets via bots. It's just another $60 or $70 as a business expense for them.

    Some club like 10C that boots ya? The scalpers will just get another friend or new company employee to sign up. They lose their 121xxx for a 259xxx and end up with a 675xxx? Big whoop.

    But to hear it's a well-known person? That's disappointing.
    Post edited by Lost In Ohio on
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,346
    Lost In Ohio said:
    darwinstheory said:
    Chrrie said:
    pjl44 said:
    100 Pacer said:
    I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
    Now we're cooking
    No no, we need to be outraged that a couple dozen people like lining up for GA not the fact that there’s someone in the community scalping tickets 
    Obviously nobody here is okay with one of our own scalping tickets. This is the first I, and many others, have heard of it being legitimately true. And unfortunately, we do not have a name to associate the story with.


    It came out YEARS ago that fan club memberships do absolute jack to prevent scalpers from buying 3000 tickets via bots. It's just another $60 or $70 as a business expense for them.

    Some club like 10C that boots ya? The scalpers will just get another friend or new company employee to sign up. They lose their 121xxx for a 259xxx and end up with a 675xxx? Big whoop.

    But to hear it's a well-known person? That's disappointing.
    Sorry, I guess that's what I was trying to get at. Yes, some people have memberships to play the game. Always been the case...especially since seniority mattered less. But yes, to learn one of our own is doing this worse. Especially to the point of obtaining a scalpers license. 
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  • bigbiggzy
    bigbiggzy Posts: 840
    Haven’t perused this thread…
    If any kind soul would be so obliged…I’d be grateful…

    Any advice for getting up front?

    I was fortunate enough to score GA. Taking my oldest son… 17.  

    Assuming be in line a few hours before they open the doors?? 🤷‍♂️ 

    Any advice?
     
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,346
    bigbiggzy said:
    Haven’t perused this thread…
    If any kind soul would be so obliged…I’d be grateful…

    Any advice for getting up front?

    I was fortunate enough to score GA. Taking my oldest son… 17.  

    Assuming be in line a few hours before they open the doors?? 🤷‍♂️ 

    Any advice?
     
    Advice? And I mean it...if you're going to Raleigh 2, it ain't happening. Buy a Pittsburgh ticket right now on stubhub, and go line up tonight. Then, do not back down when the rail mafia arrives en masse 5 hours after Raleigh 2 ends and tells you that you are in the wrong spot.
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,441
    edited May 13
    bigbiggzy said:
    Haven’t perused this thread…
    If any kind soul would be so obliged…I’d be grateful…

    Any advice for getting up front?

    I was fortunate enough to score GA. Taking my oldest son… 17.  

    Assuming be in line a few hours before they open the doors?? 🤷‍♂️ 

    Any advice?
     

    I suggest to start perusing the thread :smiley:
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  • TMORGAN
    TMORGAN Posts: 7
    darwinstheory said:
    bigbiggzy said:
    Haven’t perused this thread…
    If any kind soul would be so obliged…I’d be grateful…

    Any advice for getting up front?

    I was fortunate enough to score GA. Taking my oldest son… 17.  

    Assuming be in line a few hours before they open the doors?? 🤷‍♂️ 

    Any advice?
     
    Advice? And I mean it...if you're going to Raleigh 2, it ain't happening. Buy a Pittsburgh ticket right now on stubhub, and go line up tonight. Then, do not back down when the rail mafia arrives en masse 5 hours after Raleigh 2 ends and tells you that you are in the wrong spot.
    So the venue will let people line up days in advance? When do you get a bracelet? Are they numbered? 
  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,733
    bigbiggzy said:
    Haven’t perused this thread…
    If any kind soul would be so obliged…I’d be grateful…

    Any advice for getting up front?

    I was fortunate enough to score GA. Taking my oldest son… 17.  

    Assuming be in line a few hours before they open the doors?? 🤷‍♂️ 

    Any advice?
     
    🤣🤣🤣
  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,733
    edited May 13
    Leezestarr313 said:
    bigbiggzy said:
    Haven’t perused this thread…
    If any kind soul would be so obliged…I’d be grateful…

    Any advice for getting up front?

    I was fortunate enough to score GA. Taking my oldest son… 17.  

    Assuming be in line a few hours before they open the doors?? 🤷‍♂️ 

    Any advice?
     

    I suggest to start perusing the thread :smiley:
    Yes, read the thread. 
    Post edited by gotthebottle on
  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,287
    also these are probably the same persons that grab all the merch to then resell it on ebay to make money so that can go to more shows next tour.
  • Spoken
    Spoken Posts: 1,499
    demetrios said:
    Looks like John's post has been taken down over in that Facebook group.
    The Facebook mafia :)
  • Spoken
    Spoken Posts: 1,499
    edited May 13
    pjhawks said:
    DD123593 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Chrrie said:
    GlowGirl said:
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

    Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

    That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day. 
    Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows.  No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?  
    Hustle costs nothing 
    Except how much is hustle and how much gaming the system?  Again no way the same people legitimately win lottery for ga for every show.  The odds, even sharing tickets, are astronomical that a set of say 40-50 people could get 10 to 20 winners in a lottery of what maybe 500 a show?  For every show?  Puh-leeze.  So just winning the lottery than manipulating the line to get rail every show? So I’ll stand by my comment those people are entitled and selfish 
    I’ve been told in the past that GA attendees slip off their paper plastic bracelets after they are already in the pit, and get them to people who didn’t score GA tixx.
    Pretty sh*tty.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Spoken said:
    pjhawks said:
    DD123593 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Chrrie said:
    GlowGirl said:
    Vytis33 said:
    I’m sure this has been mentioned already haven’t read back but Springsteen handled this the best.  Show up with a GA ticket between 1pm-5pm and get a numbered wristband.  Maybe 1000 people show up for a wristband sometimes less depending on the city.  Everyone with a wristband comes back at 6pm and they draw one number let’s say it’s 257 now they’re the first person in.  Then everyone else files in numerically after that.  Simple. 
    I'm torn on this system. I feel that with this system there are some people who will never win that GA lottery and have a chance to get on rail. With our system everyone has the chance to get on rail if they can put in a bit of time and effort. So, if someone really wants it and can organize themselves to try it at least once, they have a chance. With that lottery they may never get the chance.

    Last year at Fenway I had friends who experienced the rail. They really wanted it at least once. They camped out and got to experience the rail. They said it was fun. They weren't sure if they would do it again, but were really happy they got to experience it at least once. With a GA lottery their number may never come up.

    That’s what gets me M. There’s people who don’t queue now and think it’s dumb, apparently think being on the rail is a waste of time and that the sound sucks, but they are so bothered by people who do it that they want to blow up the entire thing and make it a lottery that they might never win and still will never get to experience rail. Just to take the experience away from people who do it now or want to do it some day. 
    Do you not think the same people getting ga and up front is selfish? It’s hoarding a product for themselves when many people would like the opportunity once or twice especially for their home town shows.  No matter how they go about getting there it’s just selfish greed. Would it kill these people to be 3 or 4 people back?  
    Hustle costs nothing 
    Except how much is hustle and how much gaming the system?  Again no way the same people legitimately win lottery for ga for every show.  The odds, even sharing tickets, are astronomical that a set of say 40-50 people could get 10 to 20 winners in a lottery of what maybe 500 a show?  For every show?  Puh-leeze.  So just winning the lottery than manipulating the line to get rail every show? So I’ll stand by my comment those people are entitled and selfish 
    I’ve been told in the past that GA attendees slip off their paper plastic bracelets after they are already in the pit, and get them to people who didn’t score GA tixx.
    Pretty sh*tty.
    Man I was doing this at Korn shows 25 years ago. Oldest trick in the book.

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