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tbergs said:Maybe this has become more common, but expressing concerns that may occur are not the same as them actually frequently occurring. From what I've read and seen so far, they're sticking to the lists of names they have and also picking up people in proximity that they encounter who are undocumented. I don't support people acting like assholes and stomping on civil rights to accomplish this.0
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Go Beavers said:Any news on the arrests of employers who hire illegals?
yes, its that no news is good news because they are safe and will continue to be.
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mickeyrat said:beginning to occur. a fucking citizen veteran of the military was arrested in jersey. do a search of the ap or reuters. because its hamfisted.and of course the head in dc is going to put a goid public face on things as well as staged tv news pieces.its the shit thats happening outside of that circumstances that are troubling to me. burden on the citizen to prove I'm a citizen?fuck you, prove I'm not. there is the presumption of innocence , is there not? guilty or not, burden of proof is on the government.It's a hopeless situation...0
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Merkin Baller said:Is asking a person to prove their citizenship not stomping on their civil rights?It's a hopeless situation...0
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Go Beavers said:Any news on the arrests of employers who hire illegals?It's a hopeless situation...0
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tbergs said:No, unfortunately no political party seems to want to take up that issue. That's an all parties problem and isn't anything new. Biden and Obama never made that a priority either.
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tbergs said:No, unfortunately no political party seems to want to take up that issue. That's an all parties problem and isn't anything new. Biden and Obama never made that a priority either.0
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cincybearcat said:No news on arrests of employers that hired illegals or the politicians that invited them to their city as a sanctuary knowing they were illegal either...weird I know.0
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Go Beavers said:They also didn’t fabricate an “invasion” and scapegoat ethnic groups.It's a hopeless situation...0
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How stupid does this look?
Is Kristi going to help them put down migrant dogs (if they all haven't been eaten)?It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Poncier said:Looks like it took her stylist an hour to get the hair flowing just right from under the cap.
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mickeyrat said:
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.
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mace1229 said:Where did I say anything was being overrun?
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actual children trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.Post edited by mickeyrat on_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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mickeyrat said:and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actualc hildren trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:The fear lies in that immigrant children catch up to and pass native born in education attainment.0
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mickeyrat said:and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actual children trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.
Illegal immigrants use those resources at a much higher rate. So the amount of money spent per student is higher if you compare legal to non-legal status.
I am not saying only illegals use those services. A lot of people di. Or that it doesn't benefit society as a whole or that it isn;t a good return on investment. All those things are true.
But can you give me an example of another country that provides as many services to illegal immigrants as we do? I've asked that 3 times and can't get an answer. Because we all know the answer, so the only response is to take my comments out of context and focus on things I never said.
I keep hearing we're a racist country for how we treat people who are here illegally, but we literally do more than any other country does.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
mace1229 said:Again, none of that is anything I disputed. You seem to be missing the point. I said we spend a lot more on students of illegal immigration status than most who are here legally. Can you give me one example of another country that spends more on illegal immigrants than citizens/legal residents? I can't.
Illegal immigrants use those resources at a much higher rate. So the amount of money spent per student is higher if you compare legal to non-legal status.
I am not saying only illegals use those services. A lot of people di. Or that it doesn't benefit society as a whole or that it isn;t a good return on investment. All those things are true.
But can you give me an example of another country that provides as many services to illegal immigrants as we do? I've asked that 3 times and can't get an answer. Because we all know the answer, so the only response is to take my comments out of context and focus on things I never said.
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